Sup3r 1&4 and lethargy

  1. Sup3r 1&4 and lethargy


    Hello. First thread for me here. Just recently discovered the site and the info here (especially in the Olympus UK threads) have been very helpful.

    So I just recently ended a cycle early of Sup3r 1&4. I did 220 the first week and did 330 weeks 2-5. I had to end it early because I got bad lethargy the last few weeks of the cycle. It was extremely hard to get outta bed and do anything, let alone workout. Since it got bad, I thought it better to cycle off early and start PCT, which has seem to fix the lethargy pretty quickly. I did a Cycle Support and AI also. This was my first cycle if that information is helpful.

    I thought the 4 andro would help with the lethargy, but it didn't seem to do much with it. Crazy thing is I did see gains, strength, and raise in libido so I know it was working.

    So If I do a 1 andro cycle again in the future, should I up the 4 andro dose, lower the 1 andro dose,use DHEA and see if I get a better result, or just stay away all together?


  2. What was your goal for the cycle?
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  3. You can stack 1/4/epiandro or 1/4/super dhea and see if that helps. You could also up your 4 andro since you have an ai. Normally 330 is good when both 1&4 are ran at the same doses. What was your diet like on cycle? Did caffeine help at all?
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by SFreed View Post
    What was your goal for the cycle?
    Size and strength, and some fat loss.

    Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    You can stack 1/4/epiandro or 1/4/super dhea and see if that helps. You could also up your 4 andro since you have an ai. Normally 330 is good when both 1&4 are ran at the same doses. What was your diet like on cycle? Did caffeine help at all?
    I won't say it was the cleanest diet ever, but lots of protein and vegetables most days of the week. Occasional pizza or burger once a week.

    Caffeine did help some, but I was tired as hell around 2 and most days I needed to take a nap. I normally cut caffeine consumption around 3-4 tho.

  5. Next time give 1 / Epi / DHEA a shot.
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  6. Thanks for the reply. I'll absolutely consider this next cycle.

  7. With the AI you definitely just needed to increase the 4 andro. Can't always go off of label suggestions. 1 andro is notorious for lethargy. Include the AI and yea that can happen. Enough 4 Dhea would have handled it though. You weren't taking enough

  8. Yea this is something I considered (weeks) later. I probably didn't even need it for how much I was taking, let alone every day. If I run 4 andro at the same dose (likely) I'll dose it differently or maybe not at all. Thanks.

  9. personally I feel most of 2 step prohomones need to be run fairly high to be effective.

    1 Andor works fine at 300 to 400mg per day.

    4 Andro would be good at 400 to 600mg per day

    Epi Andro would be good at 500 to 1000mg per day
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