What?..
Do research bro!
Look, I assume most people have enough common decency not to donate blood when they are shooting up chemicals from underground labs but this thread is indicating some sever ignorance. We don't donate blood at the local blood bank. Go to the doc for therapeutic phlebotomy. Seriously, a fetus doesn't need to get jacked up with clen, tren or deca.
While I definitely do understand where you're coming from and believe morally you are right, I did work with a well known guru in the industry for a few months and he encouraged going to a local blood bank to donate while on cycle, he said that in some cases (I assume depending on what compounds may be run, but I could certainly be wrong) the 'doctors' actually preferred the blood of steroid users due to the higher red blood cell count. And for how lax this guy was about it, you could only assume that it is the common for users to do, especially since the man has a medical background himself
While I agree with you on being responsible, I would like to think that any blood received during a donation is put through a very thorough screening process to identify any issues and if any issues are present then that blood is discarded. Again, I would like to think this is the case in western medicine.
Keep thinking that but you're wrong. Here's the "extensive" tests. note that their is no chemical analysis for toxic or birth defect causing substances.
That is a rather mild dose of test for any top level pro. Like really mild.
That's not true actually, pros don't really run as much as you would assume they do, keep in mind they are using the highest of qualities though not underground gear that is mainly underdosed or used with inferior raws. I don't know of many pros that are even touching 1g a week of test to be honest
Hmmm...not sure how true that is.
Without a doubt amateurs use more than top level pros there has been multiple discussions on that over the past several years, amount of drugs is increasing yet the quality of physiques is decreasing.. but are the people you know using top pharmaceutical grade gear? Because I know for a fact that a certain top 3 Olympian doesn't go over 500mg of test/week.. Certain compounds do have to be dosed higher, yes. But all the individuals I know of, 800mg/week test is the top number.
A few use pharm grade, a few don't...just comes down to funds for them lol.
Well think about the time that the top level guys have been in the game, also the top guys are the genetic elite out of the whole sport on top of it..plus they get pharm grade hgh and top notch igf-1 which personally I believe in the long run are much more potent for muscle gain than just gear
I guess I can see that.
I cant even make an assumption on doses with that, but there's 2 places online I would somewhat trust the igf-1 but I haven't experimented with that get just going off buddies experiences
They may not be using a gram of test per week, but they are running a **** load of other compounds. Everyone knows you don't get that big and dense on low and/or conservative dosing protocols.
Well I mean realistically how many other secret compounds can they be running that they have available to them that we don't know about? I've seen some pretty intense cycles posted on here with stacking, its like like they're light years away from people on this forum that are still no where near the elite level.. Drugs don't make champions
I didn't say anything about secret compounds. I said they may very well not be running a gram of test per week, but are certainly running a series of other compounds in addition to whatever dose of test they are running. And I don't think anyone claimed drugs make champions; champions are those who put in decades of hard work. But these guys aren't running low to conservative doses by any dosing protocol measures.
While drugs don't "make" champions, they certainly play a large role in determining the level of size and conditioning one can reach.
I actually do agree in some instances it was "proven" that a certain bsn sponsored athlete was running doses and compounds that I was disturbed by.. Like like I mentioned earlier the top Olympian competitor I know runs moderate doses of test and I know what he ran in prep for the arnold this past year and of course yeah there were a couple compounds used but it really wasn't anything crazy.. I've seen more impressive cycles on forums from people that don't even look stage ready lol its really just gotta differ person to person what they need
Oh yeah without a doubt, the evolution has been crazy and almost sad in a way because it lost its beauty in the Majority
Agreed. Sacrificing symmetry and even health for sheer mass.
It's a shame bro then you get a guy like Cedric McMillan that's soo aesthetically appealing and really a breathe of fresh air for the sport and the guy can barely place most of the time
Dallas McCarver? (May have butchered his last name)
For sure! Look at Arnold! That was a beautiful physique and he was nowhere near as massive as the guys today!
That one.
Haha he may or may not be the bsn athlete I mentioned before that was running absurd amounts of gear..
Haha oh wow!
That's a joke bro. I know hundreds of NPC and pros and they use more **** than 1g of test a week. I'm just telling it like it is. I keep it 100% and most actually use underground sh+t with their Dr. Prescribed sh+t. I'm sorry, but they do and I know first hand.
Well congratulations for keeping it 100% but we already established that they stack multiple compounds on top of test, that's quite obvious. And I'm glad you know of soo many people that run over a gram of test, I do as well, but I also know pros that use less than a gram a week of test and not ridiculous doses of all other compounds that was my point that I was making, and you can't say that it's wrong lol... And as I said its gonna vary person to person, but thanks for your input
All so very very true
Thank you!
Just because someone tells you they don't use something doesn't mean they don't use something. Unless you follow them around watching them jab I wouldn't believe a word they say
I hate when all these little guys start talking like they know what amounts of gear NPC and pros use... Like where in the f-ck are you gettingnyour info? It annoys the f#ck out of me. If you don't know first hand keep your f#cking mouth shut!
I didn't believe it at all at first, I always thought that they were using outrageous amounts..but I saw the protocols the coaches sent, I called BS on it and he said it was legit, he was a good friend at the time as well so I can believe his word
Haha I got my info first hand "little guy", so you could keep your f#cking mouth shut since you know nothing about me or how I get my information
You don't want to go there with me. I don't care who you are, you are an idiot that spouts idiotic sh#t from your mouth. I know the coaches I know the protocols first hand. I only say what I know. You annoy me.