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  1. Quote Originally Posted by tballz View Post
    Seems right......
    Sex drive that's why you use base test.
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream


  2. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Sex drive that's why you use base test.
    but wait how could you have a test base if test and tren are competing for receptors and tren "pushes the test out", oh wait you couldn't, yet we all know you can and do which is exactly why it is total bvll**** broscience being spouted off and there is no receptor competition and tren sure as hell in no way pushes test out of receptors. Thank You for stating the obvious and hopefully putting this nonsense garbage to rest.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    but wait how could you have a test base if test and tren are competing for receptors and tren "pushes the test out", oh wait you couldn't, yet we all know you can and do which is exactly why it is total bvll**** broscience being spouted off and there is no receptor competition and tren sure as hell in no way pushes test out of receptors. Thank You for stating the obvious and hopefully putting this nonsense garbage to rest.
    You plain and simple need male hormone presence. You don't need 3 grams of test to one gram of tren.
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream

  4. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    You plain and simple need male hormone presence. You don't need 3 grams of test to one gram of tren.
    Never said you didnt, all I did is call BS on BS and it really is as simple as your test base post which essentially disproves the stupid nonsense someone trying baffle everyone with BS was trying to push off as true. Thats all.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Sex drive that's why you use base test.
    You're misunderstanding the post altogether.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by tballz View Post
    You're misunderstanding the post altogether.
    I fully understand both sides of the argument. Dh schooled him
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream

  7. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    I fully understand both sides of the argument. Dh schooled him
    bwaaaaaahahahaha...he sure did! You obviously don't understand anything at all. Still laughing at that!!!!

  8. *yawn*

    Sinha-Hikim I, Taylor WE, Gonzalez-Cadavid NF, Zheng W, Bhasin S. Androgen Receptor in Human Skeletal Muscle and Cultured Muscle Satellite Cells: Up-Regulation by Androgen Treatment. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 2004;89(10):5245-55. Androgen Receptor in Human Skeletal Muscle and Cultured Muscle Satellite Cells: Up-Regulation by Androgen Treatment

    Androgens stimulate myogenesis, but we do not know what cell types within human skeletal muscle express the androgen receptor (AR) protein and are the target of androgen action. Because testosterone promotes the commitment of pluripotent, mesenchymal cells into myogenic lineage, we hypothesized that AR would be expressed in mesenchymal precursor cells in the skeletal muscle. AR expression was evaluated by immunohistochemical staining, confocal immunofluorescence, and immunoelectron microscopy in sections of vastus lateralis from healthy men before and after treatment with a supraphysiological dose of testosterone enanthate. Satellite cell cultures from human skeletal muscle were also tested for AR expression."


    Compliments of Dr Michael Scally - I suppose you wanna argue with him too or can your ego just let you shut your mouth and admit you are wrong DH. Sometimes you have to just know when to say when and move on. Oh and STOP perpetrating broscience BS as well......

  9. Stanley is trying to say what would the point of running a test/tren/deca cycle if all tren is going to do is take up all the receptors since it is 5x as anabolic. There would be NO reason to run deca, but people do it all the time because tren doesnt hog every god damn receptor

  10. Working the gun shop and motorcycles. I lurk from time to time, but didn't want to jump into a discussion without being able to reply back.

    Quote Originally Posted by wicked442 View Post
    Wow! Welcome back DH. Been wondering where you were.

  11. Stan wants to make a point, so he creates a fictitious premise then comments on it to make him look good in the eyes of those who hang on his every word. Who said tren "hogs every damn receptor?" You know who? Stan.

    Quote Originally Posted by jman6 View Post
    Stanley is trying to say what would the point of running a test/tren/deca cycle if all tren is going to do is take up all the receptors since it is 5x as anabolic. There would be NO reason to run deca, but people do it all the time because tren doesnt hog every god damn receptor

  12. You're quite full of yourself, aren't you? Insults? You're the one who started insults, I just responded likewise. The funny thing is you actually think you are making a rational and coherent argument in favor of your flippant position which is a moving target. Every time you get nailed for your BS, you alter your position and try another approach. Is this the only board that allows you to post? Have you been kicked off all the other boards for your BS? No need to answer, I really don't care. You're just one of many loud mouth minions who can't stand to be corrected in front of your followers. Well, get used to it and move on.

    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    Ahh so when you are wrong you dont address the basic simple examples that prove it you go on the attack with personal insults. Nice.
    When someone see through your google garbage BS where you even contradict yourself because you really dont KNOW the info you google it, again you reply with a personal attack.
    Just admit you made a mistake, stop perpetrating BS nonsense about receptor competition and tren kicking out test, and stick with facts and what you really know and have personal experience with. Its simple. So simple a 3rd grader could understand it ;-)

    This is so f-ing ridiculous. If your contention was true NOTHING stacked with tren would act on the androgen receptor. Why even bother to take test at all if tren is simply pushing it out. You wouldnt. If it was true you would never stack an androgen with a lower binding affinity with one with a higher binding affinity and get the androgenic effects of the the compound with the lower ar binding affinity - yet you DO get the androgenic effects. Because there is no competition, there is no shortage of androgen receptors (viable as you choose to call them), that is quite simply not how it works, physiologically or in the real freaking world. Just STOP!
    Maybe you dont understand what you are doing. You see people read this and because of your BS facade & the way you come off people BELIEVE it. Then they follow it, then they repeat it and BS broscience 101 is in full effect. Stop. If you were on a predominantly steroid using board with experienced users you would be laughed off the board for posting what you did. This seem to be a younger board, I like it in fact, but people like you do it a disservice posting what you did and not just saying yeah your right when someone corrects you. I imagine you like being a big fish in a small pond and you prob even help some people but you also are taking about things and saying things you obviously do not understand or have personal experience with and doing this community a disservice.

  13. Funny how all the BS comes from those who hide behind an avatar. Makes you wonder what they have to hide? Plenty I would imagine based on the quality of their posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by tballz View Post
    bwaaaaaahahahaha...he sure did! You obviously don't understand anything at all. Still laughing at that!!!!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by jman6 View Post
    Stanley is trying to say what would the point of running a test/tren/deca cycle if all tren is going to do is take up all the receptors since it is 5x as anabolic. There would be NO reason to run deca, but people do it all the time because tren doesnt hog every god damn receptor
    Exactly. But according to DH it "pushes out test"- total BS but now he is in so deep he cant just man the hell up and say your right and im wrong. Too bad. It really is how brosceince BS is spawned and fostered.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    You're quite full of yourself, aren't you? Insults? You're the one who started insults, I just responded likewise. The funny thing is you actually think you are making a rational and coherent argument in favor of your flippant position which is a moving target. Every time you get nailed for your BS, you alter your position and try another approach. Is this the only board that allows you to post? Have you been kicked off all the other boards for your BS? No need to answer, I really don't care. You're just one of many loud mouth minions who can't stand to be corrected in front of your followers. Well, get used to it and move on.
    Corrected? You have totally been proven completely wrong. Man up, own it, move on and stop spouting off total BS. You gonna argue with Nandi , me , Scally and basic freaking common sense and real world ex0ereince and are still s hard headed ad stubborn you wont just shut up and admit what you said was wrong and you should have never said it.
    Just do this, address the basic question that was so aptly and accurately brought up. If tren "pushes out test from the receptor" then why ever even run a test base? Why ever stack a less androgenic steroid with a more highly androgenic steroid for the androgenic effects? The lower androgenic rated steroid would not exert its androgenic properties, yet we all know it does. So what gives einstein? You have avoided this basic simple question through the entire thread because it 100% proves you are wrong. Again just STOP!

  16. So now you think you're another Nadi? What a jerk.... I've answered all those questions a million times on this board and I am not going to repeat the obvious for your edification. You can't stand being shut down in public, can you? Just let it go before you look like an even bugger goof ball. And don't put words in my mouth so you can pretend to look good. I stand by what I said, not what you wanted me to say. Has basic comprehension always been a problem with you?

    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    Corrected? You have totally been proven completely wrong. Man up, own it, move on and stop spouting off total BS. You gonna argue with Nandi , me , Scally and basic freaking common sense and real world ex0ereince and are still s hard headed ad stubborn you wont just shut up and admit what you said was wrong and you should have never said it.
    Just do this, address the basic question that was so aptly and accurately brought up. If tren "pushes out test from the receptor" then why ever even run a test base? Why ever stack a less androgenic steroid with a more highly androgenic steroid for the androgenic effects? The lower androgenic rated steroid would not exert its androgenic properties, yet we all know it does. So what gives einstein? You have avoided this basic simple question through the entire thread because it 100% proves you are wrong. Again just STOP!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    So now you think you're another Nadi? What a jerk.... I've answered all those questions a million times on this board and I am not going to repeat the obvious for your edification. You can't stand being shut down in public, can you? Just let it go before you look like an even bugger goof ball. And don't put words in my mouth so you can pretend to look good. I stand by what I said, not what you wanted me to say. Has basic comprehension always been a problem with you?
    Oh now you know Nandi? LOL another fraud. You should spend some time reading him and never again embarrass yourself trying to refute him by posting goggle c&p nonsense you clearly in no way understand. Im on to you. You wanna talk ar receptor ligands and so on lets have at it bro. you will wear your keyboard out trying to keep up , meaning you wont be able to google fast enough to pretend to know, as anyone with half a brain knows by your joke of a "technical post"where you yourself are so stupid you contradicted yourself and posted total garbage that proved nothing. But hey to those that dont know it may have looked impressive, but I know.
    So you stand behind tren should be run lower than test because "tren pushes test out of the receptor"? In spite of all the clinical evidence, the experts that agree its nonsense, the knowledge common sense and real world experience that says and proves its total bull****?
    Yeah that again reenforces all one needs to know about you. You are one of those screw the facts and reality if I say something that is wrong my ego wont allow me to swallow my false pride and admit Im wrong. Doesnt matter that you are perpetrating total BS, steering newbs wrong and doing all a disservice, Screw that you have to be right. Yet im the douche? You are a joke, a big fish in small pond that doesnt know half of what he thinks he does. You have probably never even run tren higher than test to know. You are a fraud bro, a wanna be goggle cut and paste baffle them with bvllsh*t fraud. I know it, you know it and anyone with any common sense knows you are dead freaking wrong. Shut up about tren pushing test out of receptors you joke.
    Hey where are those studies supporting your position? I posted 2 supporting mine by 2 of the most respected in the game. Oh in addition to the basic common sense and real world experience that people who have even posted in this thread can see. Answer my repeated question. Oh wait you cant cause it totally proves your contention is nonsense so you revert to personal attacks instead. I know you, I have seen hundreds of you come and go. You are what makes the internet so dangerous. Wanna be know it all expert that posts freaking garbage nonsense those that dont know better believe and then repeat (not their fault-yours). You are a joke.
    BTW If you answered THIS question the way you did in THIS thread a million times you were dead wrong a million times you fraud.

  18. Gee Stan, you seem upset. Need advice on controlling your elevating E2?

    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    Oh now you know Nandi? LOL another fraud. You should spend some time reading him and never again embarrass yourself trying to refute him by posting goggle c&p nonsense you clearly in no way understand. Im on to you. You wanna talk ar receptor ligands and so on lets have at it bro. you will wear your keyboard out trying to keep up , meaning you wont be able to google fast enough to pretend to know, as anyone with half a brain knows by your joke of a "technical post"where you yourself are so stupid you contradicted yourself and posted total garbage that proved nothing. But hey to those that dont know it may have looked impressive, but I know.
    So you stand behind tren should be run lower than test because "tren pushes test out of the receptor"? In spite of all the clinical evidence, the experts that agree its nonsense, the knowledge common sense and real world experience that says and proves its total bull****?
    Yeah that again reenforces all one needs to know about you. You are one of those screw the facts and reality if I say something that is wrong my ego wont allow me to swallow my false pride and admit Im wrong. Doesnt matter that you are perpetrating total BS, steering newbs wrong and doing all a disservice, Screw that you have to be right. Yet im the douche? You are a joke, a big fish in small pond that doesnt know half of what he thinks he does. You have probably never even run tren higher than test to know. You are a fraud bro, a wanna be goggle cut and paste baffle them with bvllsh*t fraud. I know it, you know it and anyone with any common sense knows you are dead freaking wrong. Shut up about tren pushing test out of receptors you joke.
    Hey where are those studies supporting your position? I posted 2 supporting mine by 2 of the most respected in the game. Oh in addition to the basic common sense and real world experience that people who have even posted in this thread can see. Answer my repeated question. Oh wait you cant cause it totally proves your contention is nonsense so you revert to personal attacks instead. I know you, I have seen hundreds of you come and go. You are what makes the internet so dangerous. Wanna be know it all expert that posts freaking garbage nonsense those that dont know better believe and then repeat (not their fault-yours). You are a joke.
    BTW If you answered THIS question the way you did in THIS thread a million times you were dead wrong a million times you fraud.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Gee Stan, you seem upset. Need advice on controlling your elevating E2?
    Upset? Im laughing my butt off at you.
    Only upset at the misinfo you present as fact and broscience BS you perpetrate- seen way to many frauds like you doing it so it is annoying as hell.
    Oh hey can you answer that question for me? LOL
    You know the one you have repeatedly been asked but cant answer because it totally proves you are full of crap and blindly post misinformation as fact?
    But I did enjoy how you then try to baffle with goggled non applicable BS to try to look like you have a clue- that was epic, and funny as hell. Wanna have that ar receptor ligand discussion now DH? Want me to tear you goggle nonsense post where you contradict yourself to shreds? Is that what it will take?
    Wanna keep refuting Dr Scally, Nandi common sense and even your own advice? Because if tren pushed test out of receptors then a low dose of test would do nothing with tren - and we all know that isnt true. Neither would any other steroid with a lower Androgenic rating than tren exert its androogenic effects when run with tren, yet we know they do.
    So again dead wrong and scrambling- fraud.

  20. What's the matter Stan, did I truly embarrass you that much that you can't stop trying to redeem yourself after exposing you as incompetent, flippant and irrational? Not to mention confused. Go ahead Stan, I enjoy your attempts at redemption, makes you look even more desperate trying to convince yourself that you are in control of the discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    Upset? Im laughing my butt off at you.
    Only upset at the misinfo you present as fact and broscience BS you perpetrate- seen way to many frauds like you doing it so it is annoying as hell.
    Oh hey can you answer that question for me? LOL
    You know the one you have repeatedly been asked but cant answer because it totally proves you are full of crap and blindly post misinformation as fact?
    But I did enjoy how you then try to baffle with goggled non applicable BS to try to look like you have a clue- that was epic, and funny as hell. Wanna have that ar receptor ligand discussion now DH? Want me to tear you goggle nonsense post where you contradict yourself to shreds? Is that what it will take?
    Wanna keep refuting Dr Scally, Nandi common sense and even your own advice? Because if tren pushed test out of receptors then a low dose of test would do nothing with tren - and we all know that isnt true. Neither would any other steroid with a lower Androgenic rating than tren exert its androogenic effects when run with tren, yet we know they do.
    So again dead wrong and scrambling- fraud.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    What's the matter Stan, did I truly embarrass you that much that you can't stop trying to redeem yourself after exposing you as incompetent, flippant and irrational? Not to mention confused. Go ahead Stan, I enjoy your attempts at redemption, makes you look even more desperate trying to convince yourself that you are in control of the discussion.
    Embarrass me?? LOL You should be embarrassed Mr Tren pushes test out of the receptor.
    Cmon you can do it. Admit you are wrong Hammer. It much easier than all you deflection posts since it has been thoroughly proven to anyone with a brain that you are. Lose the ego, stop being a fraud, admit you are wrong, and move on.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Stan wants to make a point, so he creates a fictitious premise then comments on it to make him look good in the eyes of those who hang on his every word. Who said tren "hogs every damn receptor?" You know who? Stan.
    I think both of you guys are confused on who said what.

    Stan said: there are enough AR receptors to cater to both tren and test. thats why people can run deca/tren/test cycles. Because if there werent anymore recptors why would you run something like that.

    Detroit said: there would be no reason to run test with tren besides to keep libido because tren has 5x binding affinity.

    Detriot the way you are coming off makes it sound like tren gets all the play with receptors and test gets none.

    I do remeber you stating that high test would lead to extra aromatization and would not lead to more gains since the test would have no where to go because tren was taking up the receptors. Right here is where I believe you are wrong because many people have run successful high test/low tren cycle and gotten better results than low test/high tren. If your theory was right, why would people do high test? it would be the equivalent of injecting estrogen since all its going to do is aromatize?? Do you see where this doesnt make sense? So basically high test/ low tren= will cause you to have a ton more estrogenic sides and no more gains?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jman6 View Post
    I think both of you guys are confused on who said what.

    Stan said: there are enough AR receptors to cater to both tren and test. thats why people can run deca/tren/test cycles. Because if there werent anymore recptors why would you run something like that.

    Detroit said: there would be no reason to run test with tren besides to keep libido because tren has 5x binding affinity.

    Detriot the way you are coming off makes it sound like tren gets all the play with receptors and test gets none.

    I do remeber you stating that high test would lead to extra aromatization and would not lead to more gains since the test would have no where to go because tren was taking up the receptors. Right here is where I believe you are wrong because many people have run successful high test/low tren cycle and gotten better results than low test/high tren. If your theory was right, why would people do high test? it would be the equivalent of injecting estrogen since all its going to do is aromatize?? Do you see where this doesnt make sense? So basically high test/ low tren= will cause you to have a ton more estrogenic sides and no more gains?

    Oh it gets even better there DH .... please do explain that GEM

    jman you have a fairly firrm grasp on exactly how thinks really work. I wish you all the best with your cycle.

  24. Of course guys have run high test/high tren with good results, but how do you know that the same results wouldn't have occurred with high tren/low test? Unless that same guy runs various cycles under the same conditions with high tren/low test, blood work and other empirical data, it's just fuzzy math and nothing more. I've run very high tren, with very high test; very high tren with virtually no test and a balance of each over the years. Hardly empirical data, but an observation based on known assumptions. When my blood work comes back and I see the results of free test, serum test and so on, with other indicators, I'm convinced that when running tren, it's best to keep test low. Maybe it was a poor choice of words to say tren pushes test away, but in effect, tren is the dominant participant to the viable receptors... Stan is saying two things: One, the more androgens you introduce, the more receptors your body produces, implying that there is no competition since there are plenty of viable receptors to go around. On that point I say that there are not enough studies out there to convince me. Secondly, he is saying that running test with tren at any dose is fine because there are receptors for every molecule. I say that tren is dominant and if you run tren you should let tren do what tren was designed to do and the addition of test at high doses will not be beneficial. All the other BS is just arm waving and insults thrown both ways. If he had stuck to the points without resorting to insults this could have been a very interesting discussion, but it has turned into a mud slinging contest and I'm out of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jman6 View Post
    I think both of you guys are confused on who said what.

    Stan said: there are enough AR receptors to cater to both tren and test. thats why people can run deca/tren/test cycles. Because if there werent anymore recptors why would you run something like that.

    Detroit said: there would be no reason to run test with tren besides to keep libido because tren has 5x binding affinity.

    Detriot the way you are coming off makes it sound like tren gets all the play with receptors and test gets none.

    I do remeber you stating that high test would lead to extra aromatization and would not lead to more gains since the test would have no where to go because tren was taking up the receptors. Right here is where I believe you are wrong because many people have run successful high test/low tren cycle and gotten better results than low test/high tren. If your theory was right, why would people do high test? it would be the equivalent of injecting estrogen since all its going to do is aromatize?? Do you see where this doesnt make sense? So basically high test/ low tren= will cause you to have a ton more estrogenic sides and no more gains?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Of course guys have run high test/high tren with good results, but how do you know that the same results wouldn't have occurred with high tren/low test? Unless that same guy runs various cycles under the same conditions with high tren/low test, blood work and other empirical data, it's just fuzzy math and nothing more. I've run very high tren, with very high test; very high tren with virtually no test and a balance of each over the years. Hardly empirical data, but an observation based on known assumptions. When my blood work comes back and I see the results of free test, serum test and so on, with other indicators, I'm convinced that when running tren, it's best to keep test low. Maybe it was a poor choice of words to say tren pushes test away, but in effect, tren is the dominant participant to the viable receptors... Stan is saying two things: One, the more androgens you introduce, the more receptors your body produces, implying that there is no competition since there are plenty of viable receptors to go around. On that point I say that there are not enough studies out there to convince me. Secondly, he is saying that running test with tren at any dose is fine because there are receptors for every molecule. I say that tren is dominant and if you run tren you should let tren do what tren was designed to do and the addition of test at high doses will not be beneficial. All the other BS is just arm waving and insults thrown both ways. If he had stuck to the points without resorting to insults this could have been a very interesting discussion, but it has turned into a mud slinging contest and I'm out of it.
    Well if you could get back to being civil we could actually help this guy together. We dont 100% disagree-we just disagree on why the things that were said, were said. We may never agree on receptor competition as I firmly belive it does not exist-at all. Also consider this DH, if it did why would more test not be effective yet you recommend dbol and say it is very effective with tren, hmm think about it. I have gotten blood work from several cycles that would show of course my T levels proportionally increased (based on my individual response to given test doses of course), both total and free with higher test and lower tren. Of coursre my gains increased -virtually everyones do for goodness sake.
    For me I like lower test higher tren, but for many it is a disaster. Why , because tren is literally the most side ridden steroid and also the steroid with the highest % of user that cannot tolerate said sides. For those users that do not tolerate tren well, however can if it is run at a lower dose, they increase their test and of course they increase their gains as well. (This also holds true even with high levels of test and what would be considered high levels of tren which also makes me stand firmly by my contentions throughout the thread).
    The thing is jman you will have to find out what works for you. I would not run test as low as 100mg under any circumstances (however it is a legitimate trt dose + slightly), thats me. You may want to do so. If you were going to run it lower i would run it at 200mg/week minimum. The reality is I am not really opposed to you plan as you put it out there to be honest other than any other suggestions I may have made and the addition of clomid to your pct(even at a low dose if needed due to clomid intolerance issues).
    The key is and will be if you run it as proposed you have got to manage your e2 properly. Keep it in clinical range and well managed throughout your cycle. Mid cycle blood work is an invaluable tool, i highly recommend it. Have 2 things on hand in case but again i you manage e2 it will lessen the likelihood of the necessity to use either BUT you should have a dopamine agonist (i prefer prami - others like caber), and have raloxifene on hand as well. IF (and it shouldnt but better safe) gyno shoud rear its head raalox is the way to treat it. The dompanie agonist well you prab already know what that is for.
    That being said I am also not opposed to shifting to lower test and higher tren at oh say 200-250/300. The same things are most prudent to the success of the cycle and e2 manaagment is just as important albeit slightly easier at the lower test dose.
    Best of luck and I hope, as it seems, you sifted though the nonssense here and you can get a good solid cycle set up which will yield you great reward if done properly and with proper diet, training and rest.

  26. I've read all the discussion, and it seems to me (in my neutral opinion) that DH got butthurt and that Stan was right.

  27. I dont know stan, but he seems very versed on aas etc. DH was one of the first guys i got advice from when i joined and he has proved over and over he knows his shyt. Great debate. What a wealth of info the 2 of you could be. I do agree with the avi comment. Show it if you got it.

  28. Very informative......

    I have to go with Stan on this one. The studies are interesting reads.

  29. I have to run out but I want to address dbol because it's interesting. Basically, it binds very, very weakly to the AR which is why a tren/dbol cycle works great. The anabolic effect of anadrol and dbol differ from a strong AR binding steroid. But, we can discuss this further.

    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    Well if you could get back to being civil we could actually help this guy together. We dont 100% disagree-we just disagree on why the things that were said, were said. We may never agree on receptor competition as I firmly belive it does not exist-at all. Also consider this DH, if it did why would more test not be effective yet you recommend dbol and say it is very effective with tren, hmm think about it. I have gotten blood work from several cycles that would show of course my T levels proportionally increased (based on my individual response to given test doses of course), both total and free with higher test and lower tren. Of coursre my gains increased -virtually everyones do for goodness sake.
    For me I like lower test higher tren, but for many it is a disaster. Why , because tren is literally the most side ridden steroid and also the steroid with the highest % of user that cannot tolerate said sides. For those users that do not tolerate tren well, however can if it is run at a lower dose, they increase their test and of course they increase their gains as well. (This also holds true even with high levels of test and what would be considered high levels of tren which also makes me stand firmly by my contentions throughout the thread).
    The thing is jman you will have to find out what works for you. I would not run test as low as 100mg under any circumstances (however it is a legitimate trt dose + slightly), thats me. You may want to do so. If you were going to run it lower i would run it at 200mg/week minimum. The reality is I am not really opposed to you plan as you put it out there to be honest other than any other suggestions I may have made and the addition of clomid to your pct(even at a low dose if needed due to clomid intolerance issues).
    The key is and will be if you run it as proposed you have got to manage your e2 properly. Keep it in clinical range and well managed throughout your cycle. Mid cycle blood work is an invaluable tool, i highly recommend it. Have 2 things on hand in case but again i you manage e2 it will lessen the likelihood of the necessity to use either BUT you should have a dopamine agonist (i prefer prami - others like caber), and have raloxifene on hand as well. IF (and it shouldnt but better safe) gyno shoud rear its head raalox is the way to treat it. The dompanie agonist well you prab already know what that is for.
    That being said I am also not opposed to shifting to lower test and higher tren at oh say 200-250/300. The same things are most prudent to the success of the cycle and e2 manaagment is just as important albeit slightly easier at the lower test dose.
    Best of luck and I hope, as it seems, you sifted though the nonssense here and you can get a good solid cycle set up which will yield you great reward if done properly and with proper diet, training and rest.

  30. Yay group hug.
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream
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    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 07-23-2006, 02:25 PM
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