Is tren as good as it gets?
- 07-22-2014, 07:22 PM
Is tren as good as it gets?
Is tren as good as it gets in terms of high potency and dry mass gains? I'm talking about either enanthate or acetate.
I'm also interested in EQ, but have heard scary stories about blood thickening and severe anxiety.
Assuming the compound is stacked with about 500mg of test, should I try tren or EQ next if the goal is good quality lean gains?
- 07-23-2014, 01:38 PM
I've never done tren so I can't do a direct comparison, but I really like Pure Oils trestolone and desoxytest. Both are potent mass builders and definitely with consideration. Both also now come in long esters instead of just the acetate: Trestolone Decanoate and Desoxytest Cypionate. I'd definitely consider either.
- 07-23-2014, 11:20 PM
Tren is the nectar of the gods! Don't run test so high though. Excess test will aromatize and cause issue... I ran tren ace at 350 and test cyp at 250 a week, **** was intense, I was more ripped, stronger and hard than I have ever been... word of caution though, tren will make you totally indifferent to things in your life. I damn near was divorced during my run, but having said that it was worth it and I will run it again!!!!!You are born small and weak, you die small and weak...How you look in-between is entirely up to you...
07-24-2014, 03:41 AM
07-24-2014, 11:52 AM
well it is most definitely the best across the board. Highest AR binding affinity, highiest nutrient partitioning, highest anti catabolic effect and the list goes on. BUT some ppl get insane sides from it. So no its not the best PERIOD but its the best for SOME. I think when it comes down to it, whats best is based upon the individual.
My favorite is high dosed Masteron. Not as good for lean mass gain but does everything else just as good with less sides for me. Plus the hardons can shatter diamonds
07-24-2014, 02:39 PM
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07-25-2014, 01:29 AM
Vida doesn't always tell the whole story, but it does tell a fair amount. Don't knock it off you haven't tried it. And besides, there's something to be said of a strong lean mass builder with no side effects especially one potentially stronger than tren which has a ton of sides.
07-26-2014, 01:58 AM
07-26-2014, 06:02 PM
Trest is more potent mass builder than tren in my experience. 300mg of trest ace has blown 600mg of tren e out of the water for me. And this is in a caloric deficit. I must admit the aggression is a lot worse and I get bad anxiety but I still feel much better than tren which made me rather crazy and antisocial.
07-26-2014, 08:58 PM
250/week test with eq first 4 weeks @ 600/week now 400/week to finish off last 12 weeks.
Once test e is out prolly round week 9-10) , test p at 50mg/day, 3 vials of that.
Unless I can get a ug lab to release non methyl/ether winni, I'll never try tren again.
Rips you up, but for me, sides like gyno, insomnia, are too much.
Next cycle will be high doses eq cyp, it's my new fav.
Def recommend bold if you have worries of gyno.
I'm pumped similar to when on m1t only without the lethargy and lack of appetite.
07-26-2014, 10:24 PM
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07-27-2014, 01:46 AM
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07-27-2014, 06:02 PM
The endurance i got was unforgettable at 20mg never got tired, lost a lot of BF, I ran with osta,ephedra, Alcar, and caffeine.
Ran it again different company I was running 80mg a day , felt like 5 milligrams. PM coming your way
07-27-2014, 08:55 PM
07-27-2014, 10:54 PM
Have any of you used 1-test cyp? It's supposed to be as strong as tren but without all it's sides. I don't see many people talk about it around here but I know people who've ran it and have nothing but amazing things to say about it.
07-27-2014, 10:59 PM
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07-30-2014, 11:27 PM
OK sort of contradictory. I've ran 16 weeks of tren. Done two cycles. Had zero emotional sides from it at all. I think a lot of the reported emotional sides are placebo effects.
07-30-2014, 11:38 PM
07-31-2014, 04:22 PM
On the topic of tren, would prami or caber be better to run with it? Also how long does tren a take to show full effects for you guys at 50mg Ed?
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07-31-2014, 04:24 PM
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08-01-2014, 11:46 AM
08-02-2014, 02:53 PM
I ran em both before. I suspect in the realm of fat burning and stamina/recovery, Trest will win out. I noticed great fat burning once I got the estrogen under control.
Strength, hardness and vascularity probably goes to Tren.
But Test/EQ/Mast is quite the combo that tramples on Tren alone IMO. It's all about longevity to me though. I like something that feels right and provides sustainable experiences. Tren isn't one of those, IMO.
Let's not forget Desoxy T, I'll be reviewing that later this summer too. Some folks are claiming it's a catch-all poster child steroid for Mast/EQ/Tren.
08-02-2014, 02:54 PM
08-02-2014, 03:41 PM
I'm thinking 1-test cyp / test / mast is likely king for a lean bulk with low sides.
I'm still not a big fan of Trest/MENT on paper. All 19nor's offer up huge sides. For longevity sake, not worth it imo. Just seems like there's far better options out there.
08-02-2014, 03:48 PM
08-02-2014, 04:09 PM
It has already been covered that it doesn't interact like other 19-nor's. It has binding capability that all but Cheque Drops can only dream about. In fact, it's basically cheque drops without that double methylation, just the one 7a methylation.
I find it better anecdotally in all aspects than Test and not just performance enhancing aspects. ALL apsects.
08-02-2014, 05:06 PM
Then I may just have to try out 3 months of 1-test / test / mast + aromasin with 4 weeks of Trest on the front end and a bit of var/tbol on the back end.. Hrmm
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