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  1. Back to the topic of 1-Test cyp, how is it on joints? Does it have a similar effect on collagen as it's cousin boldenone/EQ?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Back to the topic of 1-Test cyp, how is it on joints? Does it have a similar effect on collagen as it's cousin boldenone/EQ?
    None that I've noticed. It might have the opposite effect on joints since it can dry you out.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    None that I've noticed. It might have the opposite effect on joints since it can dry you out.
    Thanks. EQ is also dry though, which is why I had my hopes up (since it's a tweaked version of it). I guess one could run a low dose of EQ alongside it if concerned about joints.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Thanks. EQ is also dry though, which is why I had my hopes up (since it's a tweaked version of it). I guess one could run a low dose of EQ alongside it if concerned about joints.
    EQ is dry, but 1T will dry you out since it's a decent androgen.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  5. EQ will do nothing for your joints at all. While it increases collagen synthesis (and so do many other steroids- even winstrol) it does nothing to increase cross-link connectivity- so it does nothing. Broscience.
    One of the few steroids that will provide joint relied is deca, and that is likely due to its androgen and progestin activities. The aromatization to estrogen combined with the intrinsic anti inflammatory effects of progesterone.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    EQ will do nothing for your joints at all. While it increases collagen synthesis (and so do many other steroids- even winstrol) it does nothing to increase cross-link connectivity- so it does nothing. Broscience.
    I agree here. EQ is dry and does not cause adequate levels of estrogen to remain present, especially if stacked with something like Mast.

  7. Interesting how many people incorporate EQ solely for the purpose of aiding joints, but have been misled to believe it's helping.

    I guess BPC-157 is actually the best thing available for joints/tendons/cartilage atm then, as well as HGH.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Interesting how many people incorporate EQ solely for the purpose of aiding joints, but have been misled to believe it's helping.

    I guess BPC-157 is actually the best thing available for joints/tendons/cartilage atm then, as well as HGH.
    MGF and GHRP injected to the site does very well, especially if those joints had prior injuries.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    MGF and GHRP injected to the site does very well, especially if those joints had prior injuries.
    True, I'm thinking of something more systemic though, for preventative measures and to balance out the increase in skeletal muscle strength.

    BPC-157 is looking like a new top contender. Looks better than TB-500.

  10. Agreed 100%

    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    EQ will do nothing for your joints at all. While it increases collagen synthesis (and so do many other steroids- even winstrol) it does nothing to increase cross-link connectivity- so it does nothing. Broscience.
    One of the few steroids that will provide joint relied is deca, and that is likely due to its androgen and progestin activities. The aromatization to estrogen combined with the intrinsic anti inflammatory effects of progesterone.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    EQ will do nothing for your joints at all. While it increases collagen synthesis (and so do many other steroids- even winstrol) it does nothing to increase cross-link connectivity- so it does nothing. Broscience.
    One of the few steroids that will provide joint relied is deca, and that is likely due to its androgen and progestin activities. The aromatization to estrogen combined with the intrinsic anti inflammatory effects of progesterone.
    Deca definitely helps make joints feel better but won't do anything to strengthen or repair connective tissues though. I think a bit of water and anti-inflammatory effects are great, but are just going to cover up any issues going on, or potential problems. It won't solve wear and tear especially during a heavy cycle when muscular strength is increasing faster than connective tissue.

    There's another problem as well though. I've read some post surgery logs where people were using steroids & GH / peptides for tendon/cartilage repair, and ended up with excessive scar tissue, like extreme amounts of it where the person's doctor came right out and said get off whatever you're taking.

  12. Don't agree with this. I ripped my right tricep off the bone this past March and had to have surgery to re-attach it. The first surgeon said he wouldn't operate if I remained on AAS. I went to another, a much better surgeon who made no such demands. I used HGH and TRT doses of test, along with 150mgs of Anavar daily for the duration of the healing. The surgeon, not knowing I was on anything, said I had healed at a remarkable rate and that my bone density and muscles were remarkable. Although he said not to lift with my right arm while healing, I did do light curls with my right arm and full weighted curls with my left. Now, 5 months later, I am back to normal, lifting with no pain or discomfort. The year before I had broken my leg. Want to hear about what tren does?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    There's another problem as well though. I've read some post surgery logs where people were using steroids & GH / peptides for tendon/cartilage repair, and ended up with excessive scar tissue, like extreme amounts of it where the person's doctor came right out and said get off whatever you're taking.

  13. GHRP and MGF heal tendons/cartilage, not reduce inflammation.

    U know, we don't just pull crap outta our butts just to look like we're knowledgeable...

    There is enough evidence to support that GH and androgens play a role in healing purposes. Many of these androgens have a strong correlation to increased GH and IGF, which inevitably leads to MGF and growth/repair.

  14. Absolutely

    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    GHRP and MGF heal tendons/cartilage, not reduce inflammation.

    U know, we don't just pull crap outta our butts just to look like we're knowledgeable...

    There is enough evidence to support that GH and androgens play a role in healing purposes. Many of these androgens have a strong correlation to increased GH and IGF, which inevitably leads to MGF and growth/repair.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    GHRP and MGF heal tendons/cartilage, not reduce inflammation. U know, we don't just pull crap outta our butts just to look like we're knowledgeable... There is enough evidence to support that GH and androgens play a role in healing purposes. Many of these androgens have a strong correlation to increased GH and IGF, which inevitably leads to MGF and growth/repair.
    I agree, and it's exactly what I was saying. I was saying that GH and GHRP's will repair and rebuild connective tissue, but Deca won't, it will just pad the joints with fluid.

    I've used deca. But post surgery, I stuck with high doses of TB-500 and CJC w/ DAC + GHRP (Ipamorelin) and got my full range of motion back within a month and was lifting again in 3 months. I have it logged in the Exercise Science forum. I think my previous post was misunderstood.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post

    I agree, and it's exactly what I was saying. I was saying that GH and GHRP's will repair and rebuild connective tissue, but Deca won't, it will just pad the joints with fluid.

    I've used deca. But post surgery, I stuck with high doses of TB-500 and GHRP w/ Ipamorelin and got my full range of motion back within a month and was lifting again in 3 months. I think you misunderstood my previous post.
    10-4. All is well.

  17. Yes deca will not in any way accelerate healing. If I implied that it was not my intention. It will simply relieve syptomolgy, not cure.

  18. I'm on my phone right now so it's tough to type, but there was a log I was following where the subject was using GH, EQ, var and some other things post surgery, and he was complaining of a lot of pain during PT. He had more scans done and they discovered his body was over-producing scar tissue and his Dr asked him to stop taking anything. Perhaps he was taking too much, or it was unrelated, or that could've been isolated to himself, but it made me wonder at the time.

    I personally had a great time with TB-500 + Ipamorelin post surgery and used low dose EQ for over a year though and that all worked well.. but I guess the EQ wasn't doing exactly what I thought it should be, well at least not everything. I'm still disappointed in that because it agrees very well with me, no sides to really speak of.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by StanleyG View Post
    Yes deca will not in any way accelerate healing. If I implied that it was not my intention. It will simply relieve syptomolgy, not cure.
    Oh no worries, it wasn't implied. I was just stating that it seems that HGH / GHRP's / peptides are the only things that seem to be really effective in any way for injury repair and/or prevention (although I've read studies on var/dbol for specific injuries). Sorry to get all off topic in this thread, but I guess the knowledge will definitely benefit anyone reading.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Don't agree with this. I ripped my right tricep off the bone this past March and had to have surgery to re-attach it. The first surgeon said he wouldn't operate if I remained on AAS. I went to another, a much better surgeon who made no such demands. I used HGH and TRT doses of test, along with 150mgs of Anavar daily for the duration of the healing. The surgeon, not knowing I was on anything, said I had healed at a remarkable rate and that my bone density and muscles were remarkable. Although he said not to lift with my right arm while healing, I did do light curls with my right arm and full weighted curls with my left. Now, 5 months later, I am back to normal, lifting with no pain or discomfort. The year before I had broken my leg. Want to hear about what tren does?
    Yikes. Sorry to hear about your struggles man. I've been through a bit of the same, 2 SLAP tears and almost tore my bicep tendon right off, 75% through. And then coming back from that surgery, I injured my back twice. I've always wondered about var, read a lot about how helpful it can be. HGH definitely was helpful for me as well (GHRP's / CJC), alongside TB-500. I don't think I'll take TB-500 again though, BPC-157 looks superior but still waiting to read more logs with it in play. I think it might be the best new substance to use in adjunct to anything that will dry you out.

    BPC 157 has been shown in rat studies to:

    -heal torn quadriceps muscles, detached achilles tendon, muscles that have been damaged/crushed
    - dramatically fast recovery from muscle tears
    - tendon to bone healing
    - increased ligament healing
    - has a variety of protective effects in the organs
    - human trials demonstrate healing and prevention of stomach ulcers
    - no adverse reactions have been seen in human trials.

  21. Great info... I would highly recommend never taking Tren while trying to recover from a broken bone. I learned the hard way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Yikes. Sorry to hear about your struggles man. I've been through a bit of the same, 2 SLAP tears and almost tore my bicep tendon right off, 75% through. And then coming back from that surgery, I injured my back twice. I've always wondered about var, read a lot about how helpful it can be. HGH definitely was helpful for me as well (GHRP's / CJC), alongside TB-500. I don't think I'll take TB-500 again though, BPC-157 looks superior but still waiting to read more logs with it in play. I think it might be the best new substance to use in adjunct to anything that will dry you out.

    BPC 157 has been shown in rat studies to:

    -heal torn quadriceps muscles, detached achilles tendon, muscles that have been damaged/crushed
    - dramatically fast recovery from muscle tears
    - tendon to bone healing
    - increased ligament healing
    - has a variety of protective effects in the organs
    - human trials demonstrate healing and prevention of stomach ulcers
    - no adverse reactions have been seen in human trials.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Great info... I would highly recommend never taking Tren while trying to recover from a broken bone. I learned the hard way.
    I'm almost afraid to ask.. but what happened during recovery?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post

    Yikes. Sorry to hear about your struggles man. I've been through a bit of the same, 2 SLAP tears and almost tore my bicep tendon right off, 75% through. And then coming back from that surgery, I injured my back twice. I've always wondered about var, read a lot about how helpful it can be. HGH definitely was helpful for me as well (GHRP's / CJC), alongside TB-500. I don't think I'll take TB-500 again though, BPC-157 looks superior but still waiting to read more logs with it in play. I think it might be the best new substance to use in adjunct to anything that will dry you out.

    BPC 157 has been shown in rat studies to:

    -heal torn quadriceps muscles, detached achilles tendon, muscles that have been damaged/crushed
    - dramatically fast recovery from muscle tears
    - tendon to bone healing
    - increased ligament healing
    - has a variety of protective effects in the organs
    - human trials demonstrate healing and prevention of stomach ulcers
    - no adverse reactions have been seen in human trials.
    U need to get over to Datbtrue's site and study up on healing. When it comes to evidence-based pharmacokinetics and supplementation, there isn't a better place to land on the web. Not to mention easy and affordable access to clinical grade peptides, non of that Chinese rubbish.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    U need to get over to Datbtrue's site and study up on healing. When it comes to evidence-based pharmacokinetics and supplementation, there isn't a better place to land on the web.
    Oh I've been there for a bit now Great site, pretty amazing info in there. I could read for hours, days, weeks. I haven't been posting around in there yet though but I might once my l-car arrives.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post

    Oh I've been there for a bit now Great site, pretty amazing info in there. I could read for hours, days, weeks. I haven't been posting around in there yet though but I might once my l-car arrives.
    Dude, L-Car is amazing.

    It does everything they say it does. I can't wait to get my two vials worth for show prep. Stuff is a real help when training hard everyday.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Dude, L-Car is amazing.

    It does everything they say it does. I can't wait to get my two vials worth for show prep. Stuff is a real help when training hard everyday.
    I'm looking forward as well...should be any day now, although I have no contest to prep for hehe.. When is your show? Will you have a log for your prep?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post

    I'm looking forward as well...should be any day now, although I have no contest to prep for hehe.. When is your show? Will you have a log for your prep?
    I do have a sort of log. It's more of a conglomerate thread of an assortment of products that I am reviewing. Trest Ace vs. Trest Dec, DTA, Formabolic, L-Carn, etc.

    Here it is..

    FP's REVIEW: Trest Ace, DTA, & Formabolic - Let's talk

  28. Why are people saying to use an AI on tren?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Why are people saying to use an AI on tren?
    If ur running an aromatizing compound with it, sure. Like Test/Tren combo. Just depends on the person and the other steroids they stack with it.

  30. ^^^Right. You arent running it alone, There should be a test base. All sides management starts with proper estrogen management so using an ai to keep e2 in clinical range even when on cycle is one of the most prudent things you can do man.
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