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    Uh oh I always frontload :x

    Edit: only with doses I've already experienced, and starting with a short ester is nice too - being able to drop something new cause of an adverse reaction is always nice...

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    Seriously though thanks for the good warning on the tren dosage, especially with a long ester. I've only ran 300mg before, and pointing out that there's a big difference between 300 and 400mg, and to work up slowly is awesome advice. I already know the sides at 300 are intense, it took three runs at this dose before I was comfortable. I was thinking with me dropping most of the test I could just bump up the tren so thanks for the heads up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    Seriously though thanks for the good warning on the tren dosage, especially with a long ester. I've only ran 300mg before, and pointing out that there's a big difference between 300 and 400mg, and to work up slowly is awesome advice. I already know the sides at 300 are intense, it took three runs at this dose before I was comfortable. I was thinking with me dropping most of the test I could just bump up the tren so thanks for the heads up.
    Yeah, when dealing with an androgen that is 3-5 times more potent than test, 100mg increments are felt for most.

    Besides, 300mg is enough to get what u need if u have good skills and experience with ur body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    Yeah, when dealing with an androgen that is 3-5 times more potent than test, 100mg increments are felt for most.

    Besides, 300mg is enough to get what u need if u have good skills and experience with ur body.
    Ok so I know we were debating how to run it for bulking vs cutting, would:
    Tren 300mg/week
    Mast 400-500mg/week
    Test 125-250mg/week
    Still allow you to bulk pretty good? Without raising the test how could you make this better for bulking? Adding something like dbol, slin, or increase how much tren/mast you're taking? Is there much of a difference between 125 and 250mg test in this kind of stack, or is it just personal preference based on how you feel?

    Finally I've been having trouble getting anyone to comment on this, and it's a bit off topic, but with vars low binding affinity and AR upregulation would it be a good thing to stack with 300mg of tren to increase effectiveness without increasing sides? Like would you have better results with 300mg/week of tren and 80mg var/day then lets say 600mg/week of tren with less sides? I haven't been able to find a log or any feedback...
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    I actually did the Var at 60mg with 300mg Tren precontest. It worked well. But I cant comment on how it compares to 600mg Tren.

    600mg Tren probably better results but I can imagine sides suck.

    Var has high myotropic activity meaning it builds muscle mass pretty good, despite the low binding affinity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I actually did the Var at 60mg with 300mg Tren precontest. It worked well. But I cant comment on how it compares to 600mg Tren.

    600mg Tren probably better results but I can imagine sides suck.

    Var has high myotropic activity meaning it builds muscle mass pretty good, despite the low binding affinity.
    Ya vars great, and with it having high myotropic activity with a low binding affinity I figured that means it's effects are non AR mediated and that it wouldn't compete with tren for the receptor.
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    Hey guys,

    What duration would you recommend TREN and TEST along with MAST to be run at?

    Is MAST even a must?

    and does this look alright for a 1st time tren user? (not my first aas cycle though)

    PRECYCLE
    first 10 days - frontload test p at 100eod making that 500mgs in total.

    ACTUAL CYCLE AFTER FRONT LOAD

    test c 250mg w1-9
    tren ace 300mg w3-10
    drop test c at week end of week 9, and pick up prop p for the last week at 250mgs for that week (50mg eod) so that it would give time for test c to exit my system so taht i can start my PCT sooner than later...

    Caber starting exactly when i start tren at .5mg week3-5 than 1mg w5-10

    Proviron at 50mg EOD or ED (what you guys think) from w3-10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Since tren binds to the androgen receptor 5 times more than test does you should keep the test low. I'd say 500mg tren to 150mg test. Let the tren do the work and the test just high enough to do man things like have sex lol.
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    You got good results in-spite of a bad program. The tren gave you good results, despite the excess test which did basically nothing but increase sides. The fact you got the desired results is good, but the test was wasted.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLifts123 View Post
    if you can handle sides, high test and high tren is best for an all out bulk. tren will stilll keep you hard though. but if yo just want a recomp effect with low sides, high tren and low test is best.
    personally, running all different ways myself, and being a crazy responder to tren in general, i like doing high tren and test because i look better in the end. i use low dose aromasin and 50mg of prov everyday and im a beast. i only use prami when needed.
    everyones body reacts differently to diff doses but for an experienced user like myself, both high tren and test is where its at. i gotta say though, keep E levels in an acceptable range and keep in eye on prolactin levels or the sides will become too much for most.
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    hey folks,

    just quick questions in relation to all of the above...

    1st time tren user,
    will be using tren A

    which test couples well with tren a? would it be TEST P? TEST C? or TEST E?

    how many weeks would you tren + test? does 10 sound good?

    ED tren at 50mg? or EOD tren at 75mg? (300-350mg range per week) for 10 straight weeks

    would you front load test for the first 10-14 days to get your body ready for the tren? or is there no point?

    lastly, should tren be a little lower than tren? a lot lower than tren?

    sorry for all my questions, just wondering what is best! alot of vets here, so hoping someone can lead me.

    got PROVIRON at hand for during cycle

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    cheers folks!
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    O don't think it matters which u use. I think for cutting purposes, Test-P would work ok.

    I'd take Tren daily and Test P EOD.

    I'd start with a 1:2 ratio of Test to Tren and adjust from there. So

    150mg Test
    300mg Tren

    OR a 1:1 ratio, but never any higher than that. Tren needs those receptors more than Test so no need saturating ur blood with a weaker androgen. Just use T for its mood and libido benefits.
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    I think you nailed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    O don't think it matters which u use. I think for cutting purposes, Test-P would work ok.

    I'd take Tren daily and Test P EOD.

    I'd start with a 1:2 ratio of Test to Tren and adjust from there. So

    150mg Test
    300mg Tren

    OR a 1:1 ratio, but never any higher than that. Tren needs those receptors more than Test so no need saturating ur blood with a weaker androgen. Just use T for its mood and libido benefits.
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    Thanks folks!

    Really appreciate that... i opted for this idea:

    1st week(day1-day7) - test p EOD at 100mg (=300mg test) (front loading just to get me started)
    2week (day 8-to last week of cycle) 250mg test c each week
    tren ace 75mg EOD from w2-w10
    anavar 50mg ED last 3 weeks of cycle (still debating this)
    caber .5mg x2 a week

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    100/50/50/25/25
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I actually did the Var at 60mg with 300mg Tren precontest. It worked well. But I cant comment on how it compares to 600mg Tren. 600mg Tren probably better results but I can imagine sides suck. Var has high myotropic activity meaning it builds muscle mass pretty good, despite the low binding affinity.
    My bro has been running test cyp 800 per week, as a base, test prop 100 eod, 50mg winny ed for about 7-8 weeks. He did the masters nationals a few weeks ago and placed 3rd in 40s and 4th in 35s. He is going back for North Americans in 3 weeks. He is wanting to drop cyp and drop prop down to 100-150 per week, add tren 300 per week, mast 400 per week for these last three weeks. He is already super lean around 181lbs. Should he drop winny or keep it? Here is what will look like:
    Test prop eod pin 150mg week
    Tren ace ed pin 300 week
    Mast twice per week pin 400 week
    50mg winny ed
    IGF-1 after each workout in muscle trained.
    Adex if needed
    Thoughts?
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    Drop the test prop down to 100 and run Winstrol. Winstrol will actually increase free test by decreasing the SHBG.

    Quote Originally Posted by emantest View Post
    My bro has been running test cyp 800 per week, as a base, test prop 100 eod, 50mg winny ed for about 7-8 weeks. He did the masters nationals a few weeks ago and placed 3rd in 40s and 4th in 35s. He is going back for North Americans in 3 weeks. He is wanting to drop cyp and drop prop down to 100-150 per week, add tren 300 per week, mast 400 per week for these last three weeks. He is already super lean around 181lbs. Should he drop winny or keep it? Here is what will look like:
    Test prop eod pin 150mg week
    Tren ace ed pin 300 week
    Mast twice per week pin 400 week
    50mg winny ed
    IGF-1 after each workout in muscle trained.
    Adex if needed
    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Drop the test prop down to 100 and run Winstrol. Winstrol will actually increase free test by decreasing the SHBG.
    Thanks!!
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    I just started:
    Test E 750mg/week
    Mast E 600mg/week
    To follow up with:
    Test E 125mg/week
    Mast E 600mg/week
    Tren E 300mg/week
    Both for 8 weeks to see how they compare. As I've already tested tren with 600mg of test e I should have a pretty good comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    I just started: Test E 750mg/week Mast E 600mg/week To follow up with: Test E 125mg/week Mast E 600mg/week Tren E 300mg/week Both for 8 weeks to see how they compare. As I've already tested tren with 600mg of test e I should have a pretty good comparison.
    Looks nice. Are you running blasts back to back or do you have any cruise time before or after this 16 weeks?
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    Sounds interesting. Are you running blood work also? So let's see if I understand:
    Cycle one-- 600mgs test E and ??? Tren (finished)
    Cycle two-- 750mgs Test E/600 Mast E (just started)
    Cycle three-- 125mgs Test E/600mgs Mast E and 300mgs Tren E (in about 8 weeks)
    What is your break time between cycles, if there is any? If it were me I'd cut down on the mast on your last cycle and run it at maybe 150mgs unless the cycles are continuous, then I can understand the higher doses of mast.

    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    I just started:
    Test E 750mg/week
    Mast E 600mg/week
    To follow up with:
    Test E 125mg/week
    Mast E 600mg/week
    Tren E 300mg/week
    Both for 8 weeks to see how they compare. As I've already tested tren with 600mg of test e I should have a pretty good comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emantest View Post

    Looks nice. Are you running blasts back to back or do you have any cruise time before or after this 16 weeks?
    I'm doing 8 week reloads with 2 week deloads, sorta like blast and cruise except I'm not really cruising you basically just cease androgen use, decrease protein intake and lower workout intensity. Google "you'll want to read this." I used to run long cycles and just kinda felt like crap, this protocol makes me feel really good and the theory is that it stops AR downregulation so that you don't have to increase doses every 8-12 weeks to continue making progress. It was going great tell I had a kid but I'll tell you what the last 4 months have been really hard- a lot of lost weight and strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    I'm doing 8 week reloads with 2 week deloads, sorta like blast and cruise except I'm not really cruising you basically just cease androgen use, decrease protein intake and lower workout intensity. Google "you'll want to read this." I used to run long cycles and just kinda felt like crap, this protocol makes me feel really good and the theory is that it stops AR downregulation so that you don't have to increase doses every 8-12 weeks to continue making progress. It was going great tell I had a kid but I'll tell you what the last 4 months have been really hard- a lot of lost weight and strength.
    Slingshot method. Not for me but some do very well with it.
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    With all due respect, have YOU ever ran what you're suggesting? The reason I ask is not to be a ****, but I have ran tren with test considerably lower and my **** was a wet noodle. Nothing worked, not viagra, not cialis not porn, nothing. I looked f-in great but my sex drive did not exist

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    The lower the test the better. If you can do manly things on 125mgs then that's where I'd have my test at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    With all due respect, have YOU ever ran what you're suggesting? The reason I ask is not to be a ****, but I have ran tren with test considerably lower and my **** was a wet noodle. Nothing worked, not viagra, not cialis not porn, nothing. I looked f-in great but my sex drive did not exist
    Yes I have actually. I have experimented with a few different ways to run tren. I never had any issues like your stating above, chances are you let your prolactin get too high. I'm unsure if you know but prolactin is the hormone that your body releases after sex to make you noodle limp so if you were having issues with libido I'd say it was your ancillary supports or lack there of that we're causing the issue. Tren gives me a pornstar libido all I think about all day is lifting weights and smashing any female that walks past me lol. Came this close to cheating on my wife lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Yes I have actually. I have experimented with a few different ways to run tren. I never had any issues like your stating above, chances are you let your prolactin get too high. I'm unsure if you know but prolactin is the hormone that your body releases after sex to make you noodle limp so if you were having issues with libido I'd say it was your ancillary supports or lack there of that we're causing the issue. Tren gives me a pornstar libido all I think about all day is lifting weights and smashing any female that walks past me lol. Came this close to cheating on my wife lol
    That sounds dangerous man. Don't cheat ur wifey.

    I had mental libido increases. I also took MT2 with it as well so that amplified things.

    T3 and a prolactin inhibitor are essential to keep prolactin down and dopamine up.

    I also did not notice ANY prolactin sides or issues with erections until week 8 or 9 of the Tren-E. At that point I took a dopamine agonist when needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    That sounds dangerous man. Don't cheat ur wifey.
    Haha I didn't actually do it but it took all my willpower lol.
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    Last time I was on Tren I was on for 6 months straight. High doses of Tren with 100mgs Test E per week and some T3. Even at my age, no libido issues at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    That sounds dangerous man. Don't cheat ur wifey.

    I had mental libido increases. I also took MT2 with it as well so that amplified things.

    T3 and a prolactin inhibitor are essential to keep prolactin down and dopamine up.

    I also did not notice ANY prolactin sides or issues with erections until week 8 or 9 of the Tren-E. At that point I took a dopamine agonist when needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Sounds interesting. Are you running blood work also? So let's see if I understand:
    Cycle one-- 600mgs test E and ??? Tren (finished)
    Cycle two-- 750mgs Test E/600 Mast E (just started)
    Cycle three-- 125mgs Test E/600mgs Mast E and 300mgs Tren E (in about 8 weeks) What is your break time between cycles, if there is any? If it were me I'd cut down on the mast on your last cycle and run it at maybe 150mgs unless the cycles are continuous, then I can understand the higher doses of mast.
    Didn't finish responding to this: not a lot of bloodwork anymore, I was doing hormone panels but my last couple showed a steep decline of natty test- last one came up close to zero. Now I just do normal blood work like cholesterol etc with physicals every 6 months.
    Reload one-- 600mgs test E and 300mg Tren 400mg mast
    Reload two-- 750mgs Test E/600 Mast E (just started)
    Reload three-- 125mgs Test E/600mgs Mast E and 300mgs Tren E (in about 8 weeks)
    No break time just two week deloads. Will do a cruise in the near future, but just slingshot training for now. The high dose mast is just an experiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    With all due respect, have YOU ever ran what you're suggesting? The reason I ask is not to be a ****, but I have ran tren with test considerably lower and my **** was a wet noodle. Nothing worked, not viagra, not cialis not porn, nothing. I looked f-in great but my sex drive did not exist
    Prami or caber, mast or providing, cialis- just the prami or caber alone takes care of this problem, if of course you have it. I've been getting an increase in libido when I use tren...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    With all due respect, have YOU ever ran what you're suggesting? The reason I ask is not to be a ****, but I have ran tren with test considerably lower and my **** was a wet noodle. Nothing worked, not viagra, not cialis not porn, nothing. I looked f-in great but my sex drive did not exist
    I've done this; was running tren E at 500mg E3D with test E at 125mg E3D and mast P at 200mg E3D.

    Caber at 0.5mg EOD and aromasin at 12.5mg E3D. Absolutely no libido issues - if anything it's higher, and I was one horny little goat before...
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    good to know. caber over prami? or doesnt matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    good to know. caber over prami? or doesnt matter?
    Never used prami, caber at that dose worked fine. But from what I remember it was expensive, could just be my source though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    good to know. caber over prami? or doesnt matter?
    i prefer prami as it's known to have a pretty positive effect on GH release.
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    Prami if you can tolerate it is the way to go. Its effect extend to the d3 as well as the d2 receptor. The d3 rector plays a vital role in male sexual function , one of the sides we obviously wish to avoid and can be plagued with when it comes to elevated PRL. If you can tolerate Prami it is the superior DA of choice for that and a few other reasons as well. You need to start dosing it low , .25mg/day. Do so for 1 week, then up your dose to .5mg/day. Take at night, before bed, with food in your stomach.
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    Ya prami is great, the gh release is noticeable for me, I get the numbness in my hands and feet and I sleep like a baby and wake up feeling refreshed on less sleep. I hear the more you take the better too- as in these effects will be more pronounced. And this is all on top of it negating your progestin sides and the sexual sides. Just make sure you taper up very very slowly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    Ya prami is great, the gh release is noticeable for me, I get the numbness in my hands and feet and I sleep like a baby and wake up feeling refreshed on less sleep. I hear the more you take the better too- as in these effects will be more pronounced. And this is all on top of it negating your progestin sides and the sexual sides. Just make sure you taper up very very slowly.
    Yup unless you want to vomit up your last few meals.... I found this out the hard way lol...
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    I do 700mg tren A and 150mg test E per week and usually throw in 4 weeks of superdrol @ 15 mg/day about week 6. Works well and this is all Ive ever done as I read about high test with tren causing sides and this way I dont have to run any AI, just caber. Ive never done any high test cycle as im fearfull of gyno. this is the only type of injectable AAS cycle ive ever done. I ran tren at 350mg per week first time I tried it but didnt get all that good gains. I dont seem to respond as well to tren as most others here seem to, i was actually a bit dissapointed the first time after reading about how insane it was and im a pretty experienced lifter now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 10 View Post
    I've done this; was running tren E at 500mg E3D with test E at 125mg E3D and mast P at 200mg E3D.

    Caber at 0.5mg EOD and aromasin at 12.5mg E3D. Absolutely no libido issues - if anything it's higher, and I was one horny little goat before...
    Yeah my libido goes through the roof on high tren low test. Although its harder for me to "finish"
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanghetto View Post
    Although its harder for me to "finish"
    And that's a bad thing...?
  

  
 

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