Test:Tren mg ratio

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    Masteron reduces estrogen greatly. Its a better way to control E levels imo.

    Plus the fact that its DHT, which does well to fight emotional sides and gives good libido. In fact, Tren and Mast alone arent a bad option. EQ is fairly neutral on sides, other than thick blood, shortness of breath and possible anxiety issues, I think the T and Mast combat the anxiety though.

    Thats alot of androgens man. Be careful. Listen to ur body.

    If cutting up and gettin ready for a show or photoshoot, u'd want to reduce aromatizing compounds to TRT levels and increase hardening agents a bit. Perhaps a .25-1 -1 -.75 ratio of Test, EQ, Mast & Tren.

    So:
    100mg Test
    400mg EQ
    400mg Mast
    300mg Tren

    Hard as a rock, lol.
    Ya I was running clomid and adex at the beginning of this blast before switching the dbol for tren - no noticeable difference in emotional sides, just aggression in both, and no change in water retention, maybe even less so now. So ya the mast is meant to modulate all negative sides, and it appears to be doing a good job...

    I run EQ as my base because I don't notice any negative sides from it, and it gives me an increase in hunger and endurance - all my friends say they feel like they can run longer and harder on it as well.

    I'm bulking right now, but ya this is definitely the most gear I've ever ran:
    900mg EQ
    600mg test
    400mg mast
    300mg tren
    So ya, a lot of androgens. Honestly I feel great, I donate blood, my support supplementation is pretty comprehensive and intense, and my cholesterol and blood pressure is good - prolly cause I haven't been running a lot of orals and I hop on hawthorne berry at the first sign of hbp(shortness of breath walking up stairs).

    I like the protocol you gave me, but the next step for me is just to lower the test to see the difference.


  2. Where are you pinning all of that gear?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Sr_505 View Post
    Where are you pinning all of that gear?
    All in all its 9cc, which is 3cc 3x per week, M/W/F alternating quads. Pretty painless really. I've gone up to 4cc in a quad at a time without a problem, it's just easy for me to inject.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Masteron reduces estrogen greatly. Its a better way to control E levels imo.

    Plus the fact that its DHT, which does well to fight emotional sides and gives good libido. In fact, Tren and Mast alone arent a bad option. EQ is fairly neutral on sides, other than thick blood, shortness of breath and possible anxiety issues, I think the T and Mast combat the anxiety though.

    Thats alot of androgens man. Be careful. Listen to ur body.

    If cutting up and gettin ready for a show or photoshoot, u'd want to reduce aromatizing compounds to TRT levels and increase hardening agents a bit. Perhaps a .25-1 -1 -.75 ratio of Test, EQ, Mast & Tren.

    So:
    100mg Test
    400mg EQ
    400mg Mast
    300mg Tren

    Hard as a rock, lol.
    hey man, how many mg's of mast per week do you think is ideal to strictly control estro sides on something like 600mgs test c?
    thanks

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Jethro Bodine View Post

    hey man, how many mg's of mast per week do you think is ideal to strictly control estro sides on something like 600mgs test c?
    thanks
    I feel I may have contributed to the hijacking of this thread, going off the topic of test:tren mg ratios. I'd think 300-400mg should be fine for 600mg of test if you're just trying to control/modulate sides. I don't get a lot of bloat from 600mg of test, and haven't ever really had nipple problems either, maybe someone else can contribute cause I also haven't ran more than 400mg of mast...

    With the test:tren ratios are most of us saying 1:2 or 1:3 is about where you want to be? I mean really if you want to be bulking with tren it sounds like you'll have less sides running dbol instead of increasing your test dose cause you're looking for non AR mediated effects anyways... And the ratio of tren:mast would be between 1:1 and 1:2?

  6. like what's been mentioned before I think high T and low tren is better for a bulk, while low T and higher tren is better for a cut.

    My buddy who competes is running
    ED: tren ace 50/mast ace 50
    E3D: test c 50mgs / mast en 50

  7. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel View Post
    like what's been mentioned before I think high T and low tren is better for a bulk, while low T and higher tren is better for a cut.

    My buddy who competes is running
    ED: tren ace 50/mast ace 50
    E3D: test c 50mgs / mast en 50
    That's like 120mg test per week. How does he feel on that? How are the sides? Does he need caber? How big is he?

    I'm thinking
    Test E 125mg
    Tren E 400mg
    Mast E 500mg
    Split into two doses M/F, .5Mg caber twice per week.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post

    That's like 120mg test per week. How does he feel on that? How are the sides? Does he need caber? How big is he?

    I'm thinking
    Test E 125mg
    Tren E 400mg
    Mast E 500mg
    Split into two doses M/F, .5Mg caber twice per week.
    That aint bad but I might recommend Tren starting at 300mg. When the enanthate builds up, it hits hard even at 300mg. You dont want to be blind-sided with 400mg in week 4.

    Or u can be a tough guy and just front load the tren and mast, lol.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    That's like 120mg test per week. How does he feel on that? How are the sides? Does he need caber? How big is he?

    I'm thinking
    Test E 125mg
    Tren E 400mg
    Mast E 500mg
    Split into two doses M/F, .5Mg caber twice per week.

    from what I hear, so far so good, this is pre contest, so it's rough either way being on a caloric deficit and sub 6% bf and dropping.


    I would definitely be cautious of Tren E at higher dosages, better to start slow and build up, I think front loading is not a wise decision.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel View Post

    from what I hear, so far so good, this is pre contest, so it's rough either way being on a caloric deficit and sub 6% bf and dropping.

    I would definitely be cautious of Tren E at higher dosages, better to start slow and build up, I think front loading is not a wise decision.
    It was a joke.

    But skilled and experienced users do such things.
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  11. Uh oh I always frontload :x

    Edit: only with doses I've already experienced, and starting with a short ester is nice too - being able to drop something new cause of an adverse reaction is always nice...

  12. Edit: Deleted as didn't want to hijack - been a while since I last came on, reminded myself of pet hates!!

  13. Seriously though thanks for the good warning on the tren dosage, especially with a long ester. I've only ran 300mg before, and pointing out that there's a big difference between 300 and 400mg, and to work up slowly is awesome advice. I already know the sides at 300 are intense, it took three runs at this dose before I was comfortable. I was thinking with me dropping most of the test I could just bump up the tren so thanks for the heads up.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    Seriously though thanks for the good warning on the tren dosage, especially with a long ester. I've only ran 300mg before, and pointing out that there's a big difference between 300 and 400mg, and to work up slowly is awesome advice. I already know the sides at 300 are intense, it took three runs at this dose before I was comfortable. I was thinking with me dropping most of the test I could just bump up the tren so thanks for the heads up.
    Yeah, when dealing with an androgen that is 3-5 times more potent than test, 100mg increments are felt for most.

    Besides, 300mg is enough to get what u need if u have good skills and experience with ur body.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    Yeah, when dealing with an androgen that is 3-5 times more potent than test, 100mg increments are felt for most.

    Besides, 300mg is enough to get what u need if u have good skills and experience with ur body.
    Ok so I know we were debating how to run it for bulking vs cutting, would:
    Tren 300mg/week
    Mast 400-500mg/week
    Test 125-250mg/week
    Still allow you to bulk pretty good? Without raising the test how could you make this better for bulking? Adding something like dbol, slin, or increase how much tren/mast you're taking? Is there much of a difference between 125 and 250mg test in this kind of stack, or is it just personal preference based on how you feel?

    Finally I've been having trouble getting anyone to comment on this, and it's a bit off topic, but with vars low binding affinity and AR upregulation would it be a good thing to stack with 300mg of tren to increase effectiveness without increasing sides? Like would you have better results with 300mg/week of tren and 80mg var/day then lets say 600mg/week of tren with less sides? I haven't been able to find a log or any feedback...

  16. I actually did the Var at 60mg with 300mg Tren precontest. It worked well. But I cant comment on how it compares to 600mg Tren.

    600mg Tren probably better results but I can imagine sides suck.

    Var has high myotropic activity meaning it builds muscle mass pretty good, despite the low binding affinity.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I actually did the Var at 60mg with 300mg Tren precontest. It worked well. But I cant comment on how it compares to 600mg Tren.

    600mg Tren probably better results but I can imagine sides suck.

    Var has high myotropic activity meaning it builds muscle mass pretty good, despite the low binding affinity.
    Ya vars great, and with it having high myotropic activity with a low binding affinity I figured that means it's effects are non AR mediated and that it wouldn't compete with tren for the receptor.

  18. Hey guys,

    What duration would you recommend TREN and TEST along with MAST to be run at?

    Is MAST even a must?

    and does this look alright for a 1st time tren user? (not my first aas cycle though)

    PRECYCLE
    first 10 days - frontload test p at 100eod making that 500mgs in total.

    ACTUAL CYCLE AFTER FRONT LOAD

    test c 250mg w1-9
    tren ace 300mg w3-10
    drop test c at week end of week 9, and pick up prop p for the last week at 250mgs for that week (50mg eod) so that it would give time for test c to exit my system so taht i can start my PCT sooner than later...

    Caber starting exactly when i start tren at .5mg week3-5 than 1mg w5-10

    Proviron at 50mg EOD or ED (what you guys think) from w3-10

    PCT
    NOLVA 40/40/20/20/10
    CLOMID 50/50/25/25/25

    Natty test boosters (ZMA etc)
    OTC supps

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Since tren binds to the androgen receptor 5 times more than test does you should keep the test low. I'd say 500mg tren to 150mg test. Let the tren do the work and the test just high enough to do man things like have sex lol.
    Best response...

  20. You got good results in-spite of a bad program. The tren gave you good results, despite the excess test which did basically nothing but increase sides. The fact you got the desired results is good, but the test was wasted.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLifts123 View Post
    if you can handle sides, high test and high tren is best for an all out bulk. tren will stilll keep you hard though. but if yo just want a recomp effect with low sides, high tren and low test is best.
    personally, running all different ways myself, and being a crazy responder to tren in general, i like doing high tren and test because i look better in the end. i use low dose aromasin and 50mg of prov everyday and im a beast. i only use prami when needed.
    everyones body reacts differently to diff doses but for an experienced user like myself, both high tren and test is where its at. i gotta say though, keep E levels in an acceptable range and keep in eye on prolactin levels or the sides will become too much for most.

  21. hey folks,

    just quick questions in relation to all of the above...

    1st time tren user,
    will be using tren A

    which test couples well with tren a? would it be TEST P? TEST C? or TEST E?

    how many weeks would you tren + test? does 10 sound good?

    ED tren at 50mg? or EOD tren at 75mg? (300-350mg range per week) for 10 straight weeks

    would you front load test for the first 10-14 days to get your body ready for the tren? or is there no point?

    lastly, should tren be a little lower than tren? a lot lower than tren?

    sorry for all my questions, just wondering what is best! alot of vets here, so hoping someone can lead me.

    got PROVIRON at hand for during cycle

    PCT
    Nolva and clomid
    40/20/20/10/10
    100/50/50/25/25
    HCGbefore pct at 250iu e3d

    natty test boosters + OTC supps etc

    cheers folks!

  22. O don't think it matters which u use. I think for cutting purposes, Test-P would work ok.

    I'd take Tren daily and Test P EOD.

    I'd start with a 1:2 ratio of Test to Tren and adjust from there. So

    150mg Test
    300mg Tren

    OR a 1:1 ratio, but never any higher than that. Tren needs those receptors more than Test so no need saturating ur blood with a weaker androgen. Just use T for its mood and libido benefits.

  23. I think you nailed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    O don't think it matters which u use. I think for cutting purposes, Test-P would work ok.

    I'd take Tren daily and Test P EOD.

    I'd start with a 1:2 ratio of Test to Tren and adjust from there. So

    150mg Test
    300mg Tren

    OR a 1:1 ratio, but never any higher than that. Tren needs those receptors more than Test so no need saturating ur blood with a weaker androgen. Just use T for its mood and libido benefits.

  24. Thanks folks!

    Really appreciate that... i opted for this idea:

    1st week(day1-day7) - test p EOD at 100mg (=300mg test) (front loading just to get me started)
    2week (day 8-to last week of cycle) 250mg test c each week
    tren ace 75mg EOD from w2-w10
    anavar 50mg ED last 3 weeks of cycle (still debating this)
    caber .5mg x2 a week

    PCT
    Nolva and clomid
    40/20/20/10/10
    100/50/50/25/25
    HCGbefore pct at 250iu e3d

    natty test boosters + OTC supps etc

  25. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I actually did the Var at 60mg with 300mg Tren precontest. It worked well. But I cant comment on how it compares to 600mg Tren. 600mg Tren probably better results but I can imagine sides suck. Var has high myotropic activity meaning it builds muscle mass pretty good, despite the low binding affinity.
    My bro has been running test cyp 800 per week, as a base, test prop 100 eod, 50mg winny ed for about 7-8 weeks. He did the masters nationals a few weeks ago and placed 3rd in 40s and 4th in 35s. He is going back for North Americans in 3 weeks. He is wanting to drop cyp and drop prop down to 100-150 per week, add tren 300 per week, mast 400 per week for these last three weeks. He is already super lean around 181lbs. Should he drop winny or keep it? Here is what will look like:
    Test prop eod pin 150mg week
    Tren ace ed pin 300 week
    Mast twice per week pin 400 week
    50mg winny ed
    IGF-1 after each workout in muscle trained.
    Adex if needed
    Thoughts?

  26. Drop the test prop down to 100 and run Winstrol. Winstrol will actually increase free test by decreasing the SHBG.

    Quote Originally Posted by emantest View Post
    My bro has been running test cyp 800 per week, as a base, test prop 100 eod, 50mg winny ed for about 7-8 weeks. He did the masters nationals a few weeks ago and placed 3rd in 40s and 4th in 35s. He is going back for North Americans in 3 weeks. He is wanting to drop cyp and drop prop down to 100-150 per week, add tren 300 per week, mast 400 per week for these last three weeks. He is already super lean around 181lbs. Should he drop winny or keep it? Here is what will look like:
    Test prop eod pin 150mg week
    Tren ace ed pin 300 week
    Mast twice per week pin 400 week
    50mg winny ed
    IGF-1 after each workout in muscle trained.
    Adex if needed
    Thoughts?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Drop the test prop down to 100 and run Winstrol. Winstrol will actually increase free test by decreasing the SHBG.
    Thanks!!

  28. I just started:
    Test E 750mg/week
    Mast E 600mg/week
    To follow up with:
    Test E 125mg/week
    Mast E 600mg/week
    Tren E 300mg/week
    Both for 8 weeks to see how they compare. As I've already tested tren with 600mg of test e I should have a pretty good comparison.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    I just started: Test E 750mg/week Mast E 600mg/week To follow up with: Test E 125mg/week Mast E 600mg/week Tren E 300mg/week Both for 8 weeks to see how they compare. As I've already tested tren with 600mg of test e I should have a pretty good comparison.
    Looks nice. Are you running blasts back to back or do you have any cruise time before or after this 16 weeks?

  30. Sounds interesting. Are you running blood work also? So let's see if I understand:
    Cycle one-- 600mgs test E and ??? Tren (finished)
    Cycle two-- 750mgs Test E/600 Mast E (just started)
    Cycle three-- 125mgs Test E/600mgs Mast E and 300mgs Tren E (in about 8 weeks)
    What is your break time between cycles, if there is any? If it were me I'd cut down on the mast on your last cycle and run it at maybe 150mgs unless the cycles are continuous, then I can understand the higher doses of mast.

    Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    I just started:
    Test E 750mg/week
    Mast E 600mg/week
    To follow up with:
    Test E 125mg/week
    Mast E 600mg/week
    Tren E 300mg/week
    Both for 8 weeks to see how they compare. As I've already tested tren with 600mg of test e I should have a pretty good comparison.
  

  
 

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