Erectile Dysfunction on Test only Cycle?
- 02-23-2014, 05:27 AM
Erectile Dysfunction on Test only Cycle?
Quick summary guys: Running a 500 mg a week bread and butter Test E cycle. Im into week 7 of 12. I have been taking arimidex .5 about every 3 or 4 days as needed and 25 mg of proviron 3 times daily spaced evenly apart. Proviron gave me insane wood and unquenchable libido, but I decided to cut it back due to some hairloss sides. Anyway ,ive been running into some ed issues lately. Namely difficulty maintaining an erection, weak erection and loss of sensitivity, no morning wood. I will admit, I have been a bit lax this cycle with my adex use, primarily because I thought proviron had sufficient AI activity, though I am starting to think I was mistaken. Is it possible my estro is too high? Id like some input from guys who've experienced this rather contradictory phenomenon on test cycles and how they remedied the situation. I will also admit, this cycle has not been great, I mean ive gained but im bloating and have experienced some abdominal fat gain, which is not what usually happens when I run test. I have already started by taking a 1 mg tablet of adex and plan to dose it back at .25 eod in about 4 to 5 days while dropping my test to about 350 which seems to be the sweet spot for me. Thanks in advance.
- 02-23-2014, 08:38 AM
Definitely sounds like your estrogen is too high, especially since cutting back your AI dose and that's when the ED started occurring.
- 02-23-2014, 08:48 AM
02-24-2014, 10:49 PM
02-25-2014, 05:05 AM
I agree completely. I had the following drawn today:
I am fairly young however, so i doubt hardening of the arteries is an issue at my age, 27, though i suppose its possible. The odd thing is, i have freaking absurd erections from proviron. If i dont take the proviron, next day its a dud. That just seems odd to me. Im starting to think that the combo of proviron and occasional adex might have crushed my estro, rather than it being high. I will receive the results tomorrow morning, will update when i get them.
02-25-2014, 05:06 AM
02-26-2014, 01:49 PM
Ok, so part of the blood work came back. 1. CBC was fine 2. E2 16.4 pg/ml ref(13-58 3.FSH ref .7-11.1 Free test 26 Pg/ml ref 3.85-34 LH .15 ref 2.0-12.4 Prolactin 11.2 ng/ml ref up to 20 Still waiting on DHT, total test, SHBG So clearly i am shut down by the LH and FSH numbers which is to be expected of course. Free test doesn't really mean much without seeing total and shbg. The thing that stands out to me is estrogen, its on very low side of the scale imo, but i could be misinterpreting. Looks like i crashed my E2 boys, any thoughts?
02-26-2014, 07:46 PM
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02-27-2014, 09:13 PM
02-27-2014, 09:22 PM
03-02-2014, 04:17 AM
03-02-2014, 04:32 AM
Thinking back, i was fine about 2 weeks ago. Erections were extremely strong. I am not panicking but rather curious as to what may have caused this in such short a time.
03-02-2014, 06:11 PM
03-02-2014, 06:41 PM
03-02-2014, 10:06 PM
03-03-2014, 10:11 PM
03-03-2014, 10:40 PM
03-05-2014, 06:53 AM
Thanks for all your help. I am in total agreement that is a circulation problem. I will dig up the blood test for you. I will tell you tho, my biggest concern is the timing.
I vividly remember that about 3 weeks ago i had an erection from proviron that you could break bricks with, it was the strongest ive ever had in my life. No morning wood, but i had no problems the rest of the day. Probably because i was on proviron. I am starting to think i have something called a "venous leak." Any thoughts on that?
05-15-2015, 03:35 PM
Did you ever get to the root cause of this? I'm having a similar issue on Test E 500mg/week cycle. Curious what the cause was.
05-16-2015, 12:33 AM
05-19-2015, 09:51 PM
Didn't read all the replies but if you're not running an AI, you're bloated, you're dick does't work and you're gaining midsection fat your estradiol is high.
Labs will tell you how high, and more importantly how you are responding to introduced AI doses, but you're definitely aromatizing.
I'd start with .5 mg arimidex every 4th day for two to three weeks, take labs and adjust from there. Don't crash your E2, it'll only rebound harder. Anastrozole is pretty potent.
05-28-2015, 10:07 AM
fuksake, ok guys its SHBG for the record. It impacts your free test and your e2.
When you get e2 tested always try to get sensitive e2 test. It is more accurate in males.
16 is too ****ing low for e2.
This thread is full of bull**** misinfo thanks to DH and this was way over complicated. Circulation issue my ass.
Get full blood work, make sure free test, e2, and prl are in order. Then SHBG means nothing. you were taking a powerful androgen and then you stopped, yeah no **** you got ed. Just manage your hormones properly and this stuff will go away. If you want to take a pde5 inhibitor dont take viagra, take cialis.
05-30-2015, 02:31 AM
In my case it was LOW E2. I drove it into the mothereffing ground with A-dex. I don't know if my experience is typical, or I'm an overresponder or what, but that arimidex is NO JOKE. Of all the crap you put in your body when you do a cycle the AI's are the most dangerous. You do NOT want flatlined estrogen. If anything you want it to go up a little with your T. I mean think about it, even trying to keep E2 at 'normal' on cycle is foolish. My total T went up 6-fold on cycle from pre-cycle levels of 631 to 4,092. On 500mg/ Test E a week. You're telling me in that scenario you want your E2 in the normal range???? No. Follishness. Don't grow tits, but a little on the high side over a little low any day. Don't break your dick like I did. 2 weeks after stopping adex, and it's just now coming back. And I was only on .25mg/EOD!
This is going to be an unpopular opinion here, but my next cycle I will NOT run and AI. I'll have it on hand, but that's it. The AI is the ****-all drug in the mix. it's the big problem. :-/ I know 90% won't agree with me, don't care, that's my educated opinion. You learn fast when your dick is broken. ;-) All the justification I've heard for running an AI "every time, no matter what" is "Well High E is bad and has possible sides." Well no sh*t! You're doing steroids! Ramming 500mg of test into your quad every week is bad and has possible sides! But we (aas users) decide the sides are worth it to create a new body. Same thing with estrogen. As long as you aren't growing tits, accept the risks of temporarily high E and reap the damn rewards.
05-30-2015, 09:35 AM
The goal is estrogen management and NOT to crash your e2. You didnt manage your e2, you crashed it. Had you managed it properly with blood work you would have reaped the benefits of e2 without any of the costs. Now your going to take your test levels anywhere from 7--10x the normal range and not manage your e2 at all (which will be proportionally high along with your test levels)and your setting yourself up for the almost perfect gyno scenario. So I predict your expereince will be this. On your last cycle you didnt manage e2 properly and you crashed it and got all the horrible sides that go along with it, this next cycle your about to not manage your e2 again but in the opposite direction and your going to get all the horrible sides that go along with that (ie possibly gyno and much more). Why not manage it PROPERLY and get the best of both worlds?
You see you are contradicting yourself in your post. There is a big difference between slightly high e2 levels and e2 levels that will come along with test levels that are 7-10x the normal range. Either way whatever, it is your own choice and while of course their are risks associated with aas use, it is most certainly prudent to minimize those risks. Sure a cycle is temporary, but when you have been in this lifestyle for 20+ years such as I have, those "temporary" cycles sure add up as does your time on steroids over the years.
Just my thoughts.
06-06-2015, 01:00 AM
This happened to me before as well. Viagra all the way.
06-10-2015, 07:54 PM
Stanley NAILED IT
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06-10-2015, 09:53 PM
06-16-2015, 10:37 PM
This problem sounded like a prolactin issue imo
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