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  1. I guess it's really depended on what I'm looking to do. I'm not looking to gain a lot of mass. I'm really looking forward to just fine tuning the body.( Recomp) Make a few pounds muscle gains, lose some fat, and really just work on physique. My goal is to compete someday, but in overall physique. I know I have a few years of training. I'm really just trying to get too about 200, which I am right now, but lose Bf and get it down to around 8-10%. I think the moderate test would provide that. I was thinking the lower dosage of eq just because I have a hard time eating on cycle. I thought a Little spike in appetite would be beneficial. I really just want to make some lean gains and cut up a little more. I don't want to be ronniecoleman big, I aiming more for a Steve cook image. I appreciate all the suggestion and advice. It's good to get some open ideas on what may and what not may be good.

    On a side note, I've been doing some research on prop versus Enathate. I have taken both, but in conjunction wth other compounds. Deca, d bol, tren ect. How much of a difference does it make between to two substance strains in regards to bloat and estro conversion. I've been hearing some conflicting reviews.


  2. I would like to up anavar depending on how I feel from it. The only problem is it's already costing me like $400 for 8 weeks worth. My other source has 50 mg tabs, but they have recently went through a whole new supplier due to Ip getting closed and I have had some mixed reviews. I don't think this is sourcing since I'm not giving any companies, but has anyone used advanced pharma tech products. Or ever heard of them ? I always run GP and get good results.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by cleveland1 View Post
    I guess it's really depended on what I'm looking to do. I'm not looking to gain a lot of mass. I'm really looking forward to just fine tuning the body.( Recomp) Make a few pounds muscle gains, lose some fat, and really just work on physique. My goal is to compete someday, but in overall physique. I know I have a few years of training. I'm really just trying to get too about 200, which I am right now, but lose Bf and get it down to around 8-10%. I think the moderate test would provide that. I was thinking the lower dosage of eq just because I have a hard time eating on cycle. I thought a Little spike in appetite would be beneficial. I really just want to make some lean gains and cut up a little more. I don't want to be ronniecoleman big, I aiming more for a Steve cook image. I appreciate all the suggestion and advice. It's good to get some open ideas on what may and what not may be good. On a side note, I've been doing some research on prop versus Enathate. I have taken both, but in conjunction wth other compounds. Deca, d bol, tren ect. How much of a difference does it make between to two substance strains in regards to bloat and estro conversion. I've been hearing some conflicting reviews.
    400mg if eq won't spike ur appetite, it won't do anything. Test is test the ester plays no proven difference in bloat. That is just peoples opinions. Estro conversion has to do with how u process test. $400 on a cycle is not very much. And 1 gram if test won't get u to Ronnie Colman size. U know too much to be helped, go ahead run ur 400mg if eq. An improperly dosed cycle is more expensive than a proper dosed cycle. Because ur just wasting roids and money. U still haven't posted any pics, I've seen u post a lot but nothing really adds up. So just do what ever u think works, I'm sure you'll figure it out.
    Christopher
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  4. I have like 10 pictures posted in my complete tren test log. If I knew too much I wouldn't be asking for advice. The $400 was for the anavar alone. My log is in cycle info section. I've been reading and exploring on AAS for a few years, so I know a few things, but I'm no expert. I am a medical student so I do have an advanced knowledge of how the body works and effects chemicals can have upon it. I don't know where my information is conflicting. Yes, I'm unsure and have changed repeatly my cycle, but isn't that what's these forums are for... To get outside advice and to debate to decide a well thought out conclusion.

  5. And the more research I do it does look like 600 is a good dose of eq so I appreciate that advice.
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  6. Well keep researching. 600 is the minimum recommended dose. I have used eq quite a bit with great results. I'm currently running 1.2g of it. Maybe not 1.2 but 800 be a good start. Anavar is expensive I know it's one of our best selling products. If u don't want to spend more money on it try running it with winny. That's a pretty amazing combo. They work very well together. As far as test goes. If u have never ran a gram than u won't understand why I recommend it. U will drop more bodyfat while gaining lean muscle than any stack or compound out there. It also helps develop those week areas. if u run 1g of recommend 200mg of mast e per week, . This is personally one of my favorite combos. Once u get sub 10% bf u can crank the mast e up to 600mg and really see what mast can do. After reviewing ur pictures. I would say save the Anavar till u are lower in body fat. Maybe use it as a finisher if u get down to 10%. Eq will increase ur apitite at 600mg but I really feel like u could save that two. I'm standing firm, with my 1g of test. I've planned a lot of cycles and I make a lot of money doing it. U are at the begging of what could be a total body transformation. U have size and potential but u have a lot of weak areas. By flooding ur androgen receptors u will force growth in areas like ur shoulders/traps/ and back giving u a much better base to build on. It will also help drop a lot of fat. I'd say ur at 16-18% u could easily hit 10 on test then ramp up mast and Anavar and hit 6 with in 4-5 months.
    Christopher
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  7. So do you think I should just up test to 1000 each week and drop the eq? What kind of results do you think I would get from just running the test and anavar. I plan on taking the50 mg, but bump it up given $$ and how I feel. It's going to be a pretty long cycle 15 weeks. I like some of the info on EQ but I'm afraid it just won't be worth it for the money having to run it at 600 mg Being my 6 th cycle, should my body still respond pretty good to just a test base with oral anavar ? I also have ran winny in almost every cycle, but after like 3 weeks I am hella cramped up. I would like to use some I have because I have a **** ton left. The biggest thing is budget. I'm trying to make the most growth out of what I can afford.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Well keep researching. 600 is the minimum recommended dose. I have used eq quite a bit with great results. I'm currently running 1.2g of it. Maybe not 1.2 but 800 be a good start. Anavar is expensive I know it's one of our best selling products. If u don't want to spend more money on it try running it with winny. That's a pretty amazing combo. They work very well together. As far as test goes. If u have never ran a gram than u won't understand why I recommend it. U will drop more bodyfat while gaining lean muscle than any stack or compound out there. It also helps develop those week areas. if u run 1g of recommend 200mg of mast e per week, . This is personally one of my favorite combos. Once u get sub 10% bf u can crank the mast e up to 600mg and really see what mast can do. After reviewing ur pictures. I would say save the Anavar till u are lower in body fat. Maybe use it as a finisher if u get down to 10%. Eq will increase ur apitite at 600mg but I really feel like u could save that two. I'm standing firm, with my 1g of test. I've planned a lot of cycles and I make a lot of money doing it. U are at the begging of what could be a total body transformation. U have size and potential but u have a lot of weak areas. By flooding ur androgen receptors u will force growth in areas like ur shoulders/traps/ and back giving u a much better base to build on. It will also help drop a lot of fat. I'd say ur at 16-18% u could easily hit 10 on test then ramp up mast and Anavar and hit 6 with in 4-5 months.
    Never considered this cycle! I know what I'm doing for my next one!!

  9. Yeah ur body will respond Like a mother ****er. Winny craps suck, taurine will help so will lots of water and potassium. I would save the Anavar till the end as a finisher run it 2 weeks past the test. It will help dry u out. With all that test u shouldn't experiance winny craps be cause ur estro will be high just due to ur test being so high. Eq at 15 weeks is good but if ur gojg to run it that long ur going to want to get te most out of it meaning u'll need a high dose. If save it because the gram of test will give u better results. The first 4 weeks u'll gain water and bloat a little as u adjust then week 5 **** will get good. I'd recommend running the Anavar with some winny, again at the end of ur cycle. If ur looking for something to kick it off u could use anything u want, I prefer sd or androl. But u could run 6 weeks of Npp, with ur sensitivity to tren u might have problems. If u do kick it with sd or androl only run it 2-3 weeks. That will give u a lot of time before u start the Anavar winny combo. I don't think u will need a kicker though. I'd just enjoy the test. Just remember diet is key with this cycle especially. U won't have to do much cardio and u'll probably not have to lower cals. I know guys u cut on 3000k with 1g of test.
    Christopher
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  10. Oh and if u I don't ever ramp up, it takes longer to stablize. I'd start pinning 500mg ever 3rd day. Ur going to feel it too. 500mg of test in one shot is instant superman ****
    Christopher
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Oh and if u I don't ever ramp up, it takes longer to stablize. I'd start pinning 500mg ever 3rd day. Ur going to feel it too. 500mg of test in one shot is instant superman ****
    One of my best cycles was 500mgs E3D, after eight weeks I gained 35lbs of lbm and lost 17lbs of fat. I was recovering from a lengthy intestinal illness so some of the muscle was regaining what I lost. Your diet has to support those gains though.
    Lift heavy and eat lots of dead animals! Yes, that's me in my avatar.

  12. I'm Getting excited. I'm in week two of pct about to be in week 3 of pct. I plan on taking 2 months off and then starting in the beginning of May. I don't know if I mentioned it but I plan of running igf-1 during the cycle as well. **** makes me tired, but I love the pumps and how my body fat diminishes. 1 g test Enathate. I have some d bol left like 2 weeks worth. May throw that in the start, idk. Kinda wanna get rid of it. It's old BD stuff. . How do you feel about running prop for days 1-14. Give the time for enthante to kick in ?... Like I said, I have a tin of winny left and depending on my physique at the end I may throw that in at the end.

  13. I use to us prop in the front of every cycle, I stopped doing it. But no real reason why I stopped. I have about a half liter of test prop in my personal stash. I really only use it for short blast. 4-6 weeks of test prop at 200mg Ed, but I rarely do those anymore. U could use it. If u use the dbol, I'd just take 20mg in the morning out until u run out. It actually is a good start to a cut. Or 10mg am and 10 pre work out. I believe bd are 10mg tabs
    Christopher
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  14. Sounds good. I figured prop is about $20 for 10 cc. Throw it in for a few days. Get the warm feeling early. The d bols I have are 50, but strong. I'll split them in 1/4. 12.5 am. 12.5 pm.

    So far this is how it's looking.

    Week 1-15 Test E 500 E3D
    Week 1- day 10 Test prop 100 mg ED
    Week 1-2/3 d Bol 25 mg ed
    Week 6-15 Anavar 50-100 mg

    Possibly throw in Winny during last 3/4 weeks.

    I'm really dead set on trying the Anavar. I'm just curious of the results I will get and how my body will react.

    Igf-1 possibly 2- 40 day cycles. Either 50 mcg ED or EOD depending on feel and $$.

    I'm going to try and really focus on my diet now. I want to maintain around 3000-3500 calories. What's some good macro % I should follow for this cycle ? My diet is one of the hardest things for me because I work 2 part time jobs. 30 hours and 20 hours at the other. Plus I'm a full time student. It's hella hard to count macros precisely. Not too mention training 6 x a week. 2 hour sessions. My live is stupid busy. I eat 90% healthy food. Fish, chicken, rice, all that good stuff. With that being said I could use some tweaking in that area specifically. Any good suggestion.

  15. Question. Would .25 mg armidex ED be enough to combat Estro or should I run .5 ED. I've been doing some reading on estro conversion at dosages higher than 750. Do you think armidex is strong enought, or do you think I need to run a low dose of letro. I have a bag of like 20 letro 2.5( I think that's the right dose). What ever GP has, that's what I have... I'm too lazy to walk into the other room and see.

  16. if its just test start with .25 dex ed, you have been some what gyno pron in the past so youll probably need to bump it. for my current cylce i run .5 lectro every day and im starting to lower. im running 600mg of mast e so that maybe helping.
    Christopher
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  17. So. I've been working on this diet plan. This is close to what I have been eating with the exception of a few things. So this structure is the plan for my run. Please feel free to critique and make some good food suggestions. I'm going to post this in diet section as well, but I figured I would place it here as well....

    *** Breakfast *** 7 am

    2 eggs
    2 slices Ezekiel bread
    1 tablespoon butter
    1/2 cup of oats
    1 chobani yogurt
    1.5 cup milk with ON 24 grams protein

    -- 26 gram fat
    -- 73 gram protein
    -- 78 gram carb

    *** Post workout *** 10 am

    ON 24 grams whey/ 12 grams casein protein/ 10 grams egg whites/ 1.5 cup milk +12 protein
    ON 5 grams creatine
    2 tablespoons peanut butter
    40 grams dextrose
    Ice- 6 cubes

    -- 16 gram fat
    -- 66 gram protein
    -- 69 gram carbs

    *** Snack 1 *** 11 am

    .25 cup almonds

    -- 13 gram fat
    -- 6 gram protein
    -- 6 gram carbs


    *** Lunch *** 1 pm

    2 slices Ezekiel bread
    5 slices of turkey
    1 slice pepper jack cheese
    1 tbs mustard

    -- 12 gram fat
    -- 33 gram protein
    -- 43 gram carbs

    *** Lunch 2*** 3 pm

    Chicken breast / Salmon / Steak
    Red skin potato
    1 tablespoon butter
    Green beans/ Corn/ Asparagus

    -- 12-25 gram fat
    -- 28-31 gram protein
    -- 43 gram carbs

    *** Dinner 1*** 7 pm

    Chicken breast / Salmon / Steak
    Red skin potato/ Brown rice
    1 tablespoon butter

    -- 15-25 gram fat
    -- 31-36 gram protein
    -- 28-39 gram carbs

    *** Snack *** 9 pm

    1 piece of Ezekiel bread
    2 tablespoons Peanut Butter
    1 tablespoon Jelly

    -- 33 gram fat
    -- 18 gram protein
    -- 41 gram carbs

    *** Pre-Bed *** 10/11 pm

    1.5 cup Skim Milk
    1 scoop ON Casein

    -- 1 gram fat
    -- 35 gram protein
    -- 22 gram carbs


    Total

    128-154 Grams Fat
    290-298 Grams Protein
    330-331 Grams Carbs

  18. I just bought a caliper. I did the Jackson 3 point measurement and came up with 42 mm. According to the scale, it says my body fat is at 12.9 percent. This seem accurate?

  19. Yeah u could be 12.9-14, I've been sayin this hole time u could be 6-8 by he end of this cycle and weigh 10-15lbs more.
    Christopher
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  20. As far as diet goes I wouldn't let anyone tell me how many cals I should eat or shouldn't, I got a notebook and a calculator did my macros every day for months. The first 2 months got me my rough maintenance. The third month I was able to manipulate my diet down to 2 table spoons of peanut butter. Diet is the hardest part of this life. Everybody has a different metabolism. Pin to the pad and by the end of this cycle u be able to log this **** in ur head.
    Christopher
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  21. One more question. I noticed on my last cycle I had a little bit of hairloss. I was thinking of throwing in propecia. Anyone have experience with it ?

  22. Make sure to read up on the negatives before considering it:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finaste...dverse_effects

    Quite a few medical documents I've seen seem to be very conclusive about it permanently lowering libido/causing erectile dysfunction. As with any drug, there's a chance you won't experience these side effects. But then again, what's the use of pretty hair without a functioning dick?

    Consider that finasteride is primarily used to treat MPB. Typically that tends to encompass those who are naturally balding, and especially those who are genetically predisposed to it. You say you had "a bit of hairloss"...are you sure you want to take the risks of finasteride to prevent that? Did the hair never grow back? Hairloss on cycle is not a sign of balding, often times it's a sign of strong adrogenic activity, those who are not predisposed to balding often lose hair and then grow it back after they're off cycle. Are you worried about gear causing permanent baldness (meaning you're predisposed to it, ie it's going to happen eventually whether you're on gear or not), or just about shedding?

    If it's the former, talk to your doctor about long-term use of finasteride and how it's best-used for preventing genetic onset of balding. If it's the latter...don't do it.
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    I push myself to limits everyday i train tbh, visited my mum yesterday and she said i looked a bit bigger, she doesnt know about the steroids

  23. green earth with the knowledge!!! i started to go bald the same time as a friend. he started taking propecia and i didnt. i dont have hair he has a full head of hair. ****ing prick. i shave my head so i cant help you with keeping hair knowledge
    Christopher
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  24. Nice article about it. Never though to wiki it. I'm torn still. Mpb runs in my family. We have thick ass hair until about age 30 and then the receding line starts. I'm sure AAS has quickened that a bit. I think I may just order it and if I notice it happening I will take it. I just noticed this because I usually get my hair lined up and this time around I told my barber not to do it so I could get my natural line up back. However, upon a month or so it has yet to come back. It's not bad, but it def moved back an 1/2 or 1 inch. Hey it may grow back before I start my next round, but better to be prepared then not, right... My linbido is crazy anyhow, I don't think it will hurt even if it does decrease it a bit. It may be a good thing. I was just curious of how it would diminish gains, and or if their was any horrible side effects. Thank you guys for the input. Just trying to learn all the ins and outs.

  25. Doctor just called with blood results. Test is at 454. Which is right in the middle of perfect range. LDL high, HDL low. Soooo back on Simvastin and let the cycle begin !! I'm gonna make another thread since the program has changed up so much. Prob do my first pin next Monday.
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