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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Me too. To know that I control how I feel is a great feeling. I do have to say that the only thing that has come close to TRT is adding Preg and DHEA to my protocol. Now I feel unstoppable.
    Preg dhea? Option google lol

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    It is becoming the new standard to add in for a lot of doctors- mine included. OnlyChevy mentioned it and how it worked for him and the very next day, my doc brought it up. He wanted me in the top of the range and said even being in mid range is very noticeable. In the matter of a day, it was like a light switch was turned on. Energy through the roof from wake up at 6am until I go to sleep at 10-11, all anxiety gone, and mood elevation like never before. I look at it now like TRT is the foundation and DHEA and preg pulled all the pieces together to complete the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post

    Me too. To know that I control how I feel is a great feeling. I do have to say that the only thing that has come close to TRT is adding Preg and DHEA to my protocol. Now I feel unstoppable.
    @ what dosage? I'm still tweaking my protocol. Any help is appreciated...
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    60mg test cyp e3.5d
    25mg DHEA sublingual
    50mg Pregnenolone sublingual
    2000IU vit D
    9mg Boron

    I also take ashwagandha, bocapa, and Alpha GPC, but that is just part of my daily and not anything to do with TRT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    60mg test cyp e3.5d
    25mg DHEA sublingual
    50mg Pregnenolone sublingual
    2000IU vit D
    9mg Boron

    I also take ashwagandha, bocapa, and Alpha GPC, but that is just part of my daily and not anything to do with TRT.
    What brand dude. I'm gettin those asap! Sublinguals sound more legit, lol.
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    I just picked up one my doctor suggested. The brand is called Superior Source. I found that you need to soften them up under your tongue and then you can bite it and it dissolves.

    Keep in mind that I have no idea if there are better brands out there, but it is working for me no question. I have labs next month, so the numbers will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I just picked up one my doctor suggested. The brand is called Superior Source. I found that you need to soften them up under your tongue and then you can bite it and it dissolves. Keep in mind that I have no idea if there are better brands out there, but it is working for me no question. I have labs next month, so the numbers will tell.
    Does your doctor prescribe all this ? I'll have to search all this as I've never heard of this protocol.
    I'm new to trt .
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    He prescribes the test. No need for a prescription for anything else- it is all OTC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    He prescribes the test. No need for a prescription for anything else- it is all OTC.
    Yeah I hope it helps me. There are so many ways to tackle hormonal imbalances and its all just a guessing game as to which is the culprit.

    But @ 180mg/wk of T, I'm definitely anabolic, lol. Sex drive is not terrific though so I need to address all the peripherals like DHEA and Preg before playing w/ T doses for that vitality and energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    He prescribes the test. No need for a prescription for anything else- it is all OTC.
    Ah ok thanks I'll look it all up . So I guess u feel even better with all this on top of the trt dose
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    Let's put it this way- I feel complete. I knew I felt really good on test alone, but there was something missing and I could not figure it out. e2 was right and everything was in range, but I would still get a little anxiety, libido was decent, mood was good, but I knew it could be better. Reading up Dr Crisler and so many others that are going this route, along with my own doctor recommendation based on my labs that want us in the top of the range, it made sense.

    Don't just take my word for it because you may not need it. But if you do, it is incredible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Let's put it this way- I feel complete. I knew I felt really good on test alone, but there was something missing and I could not figure it out. e2 was right and everything was in range, but I would still get a little anxiety, libido was decent, mood was good, but I knew it could be better. Reading up Dr Crisler and so many others that are going this route, along with my own doctor recommendation based on my labs that want us in the top of the range, it made sense. Don't just take my word for it because you may not need it. But if you do, it is incredible.
    So it won't do any harm then mate , what's your views on hcg when blasting and cruising also
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    Well, I just don't want to tell anyone to use it just because it works for me. They are powerful hormones.

    I hate HCG and it wrecked me when I first started a few years ago. I see no positives about it, so I am probably not the right person to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Well, I just don't want to tell anyone to use it just because it works for me. They are powerful hormones. I hate HCG and it wrecked me when I first started a few years ago. I see no positives about it, so I am probably not the right person to ask.
    How did it wreck you .
    I just want everything in order now I've started trt. Blasting 12wks tren n test then 12 wks trt and repeat. So got caber adex multi vitamins etc ... Just still confused about hcg etc or unsure if I should run it etc
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    Well, I went against what my docs told me (they advised against HCG) and it shot my e2 through the roof, caused bloating, irritability, and I was really tired. Assuming this was because of e2, I took care of that with an AI and I still felt like ****. Add on top of that, it was expensive and another thing I had to inject. I did it for pure vanity because I was nervous of atrophy and once I got over that, I realized my nuts didn't shrink up that much anyway.

    Oh, important to note is that I already have my kids and got snipped. I had no real reason to run it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Well, I went against what my docs told me (they advised against HCG) and it shot my e2 through the roof, caused bloating, irritability, and I was really tired. Assuming this was because of e2, I took care of that with an AI and I still felt like ****. Add on top of that, it was expensive and another thing I had to inject. I did it for pure vanity because I was nervous of atrophy and once I got over that, I realized my nuts didn't shrink up that much anyway. Oh, important to note is that I already have my kids and got snipped. I had no real reason to run it.
    Well this is the thing ... I want more kids in a year or 2 ... So do I run hcg before I want to try or just run it on my cruises to get them ticking over? It's such a big topic . Struggling to understand it .
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    Gotta talk to a doc, man- or someone that really knows about this. I am only providing my experience information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Gotta talk to a doc, man- or someone that really knows about this. I am only providing my experience information.
    True , but can't really tell him I'm blasting tren lol
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    My doc knows about my steroid use.

    To the guy using dhea, I was under the impression that dhea converted at a high rate to e. Or is that just for high doses of dhea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    I've never seen test e 250 that was prescribed. My doc only prescribes up to 200mg a week. At 200 I'm in the 1200-1300 range. Now I have been known to cruise at 300mg per week but 150mg is good for maintence with so lean gains.
    So 125-150mg test E a week is good to keep gains from blasts? Say cruising trt at that dose 12 on 12 cruise 12 on 12wk blast etc
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    Yeah 125 keeps me higher than most. But everyone is different
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Yeah 125 keeps me higher than most. But everyone is different
    As I'm new to trt etc , I just had a thought mate, in uk our summer is June July and August .
    If I start my bulk cycle now for 14 weeks that leaves me finishing in beginning of May . Lol . I've timed it wrong . Unless I maintain in may at trt then start a cut cycle June July and August?.... . Or stay on test addition weeks 14-20weeks at say 600 mg cutting phase ,Then to trt in mid June . Carry on cutting July on trt dose
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post

    As I'm new to trt etc , I just had a thought mate, in uk our summer is June July and August .
    If I start my bulk cycle now for 14 weeks that leaves me finishing in beginning of May . Lol . I've timed it wrong . Unless I maintain in may at trt then start a cut cycle June July and August?.... . Or stay on test addition weeks 14-20weeks at say 600 mg cutting phase ,Then to trt in mid June . Carry on cutting July on trt dose
    There are ways to do this then there are better ways to do this. Lets take this dicussion to the PM's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    There are ways to do this then there are better ways to do this. Lets take this dicussion to the PM's.
    Ok pm you
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    Been thinking more and more about cruising. I'll be starting a four year degree program in 2015 and I'd like to be at over 200lbs lean, or more, by the time I'm done with it. I think it's realistic with gear since I'm about 204 right now(not lean though I'm 15-16%bf right now), but not sure if cycles would be better or running low doses long term. Probably won't have the money for huge blasts either. Thoughts?

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    Test is cheap....high doses pack on mass and burn fat pretty damn well...above 1k at least.

    CraigyDar.....I like to cruise on test/tren 100/100 each a week....I stay strong and stay lean......that small amount can be run 3-4 mos without wrecking cholesterol and/or blood pressure, etc. Just a thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by waynaferd View Post
    Test is cheap....high doses pack on mass and burn fat pretty damn well...above 1k at least.

    CraigyDar.....I like to cruise on test/tren 100/100 each a week....I stay strong and stay lean......that small amount can be run 3-4 mos without wrecking cholesterol and/or blood pressure, etc. Just a thought...
    Yeah I'm looking to donthe same with Test and Trest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waynaferd View Post
    Test is cheap....high doses pack on mass and burn fat pretty damn well...above 1k at least.

    CraigyDar.....I like to cruise on test/tren 100/100 each a week....I stay strong and stay lean......that small amount can be run 3-4 mos without wrecking cholesterol and/or blood pressure, etc. Just a thought...
    What was the cholesterol like on this? And of course, "Mr. Waynaferd Jr."
    These are the main too issues for me at the end of the day, at least the most important
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    Low doses of test also pack on mass and burn fat very well.
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    No exact cholesterol numbers off the top of my head but remember my doc said to cut back on the red meat as it was on the higher range but not too very high lol....

    And Jr worked just fine, sometimes just took awhile longer to kapow, I guess
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    Testosterone or any steroid isn't going to burn fat in any considerable amount. There was a study done on 600mg/week and it amounted to an average of something like 40 grams of fat loss over 6 months
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    Yeah it is weird how most guys that get on TRT lose fat and gain muscle mass along with the same workouts they were doing when they had low test. All the articles supporting it are coincidental too. I found this weird one in one sec.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16210377
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Yeah it is weird how most guys that get on TRT lose fat and gain muscle mass along with the same workouts they were doing when they had low test. All the articles supporting it are coincidental too. I found this weird one in one sec.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16210377
    To what degree varies greatly based on diet and cardio, too.

    I havnt been burning any fat mass for months now. Saw initial fat burning maybe the first 2 months but afterwards all the progression has waned. Granted, I eat lots more now too.

    So I'd say it does a great job gettin u bigger without lettin u get to freggin fat.
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    Right
    What is the actual amount of fat lost here? This study is just showing the mechanism of action.
    Here is an actual study done with treatment and the amount of fat lost:
    http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/conten...nt_2/S142.full

    "There was a significant (analysis of variance, P = .006) decrease in intra-abdominal fat volume at the 125-mg (18 ± 41 cm3 decrease) and 600-mg (46 ± 39 cm3 decrease) doses."
    Fat is 0.9g/cm3 btw.

    It goes into more detail here:
    http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/...jc.2003-031492

    You can see that the 600mg/week over 20 weeks resulted in an average of 1.8kg total full body fat loss which is tiny. And this is a pretty high dose for a long period of time. At TRT dose the difference was tiny, 0.1kg ± 0.4 over the trunk and appendages, plus 2cm3 of fat lost from the thighs

    In layman terms, less than a weeks worth of hard dieting
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    To what degree varies greatly based on diet and cardio, too.

    I havnt been burning any fat mass for months now. Saw initial fat burning maybe the first 2 months but afterwards all the progression has waned. Granted, I eat lots more now too.

    So I'd say it does a great job gettin u bigger without lettin u get to freggin fat.
    You are agreeing with me but just breaking down the fact that it does burn fat. Of course if you take care of diet it has a big role. That will always be the case. But, as anyone on TRT will attest to is that it is very easy to keep fat off and not have the cleanest diet.

    Bottom line is that it helps burn fat.
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    You said that a low dose of test would burn fat "very well".
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    Dude, you have shown time after time that you are a moron. Now you are trying to be a pain in the ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Dude, you have shown time after time that you are a moron. Now you are trying to be a pain in the ass.
    If I am such a moron, why is it me challenging your statements and you making personal attacks and not the other way around?
    Low dose of testosterone burning fat very well? Good luck with that. I'll go with putting down the fork personally
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    That's good since diet hasn't been mentioned yet. Genius.
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    Don't need to burn fat if you are gaining muscle at a good ratio. When you add muscle to your body it lowers your bf% because your ratio of lean mass to fat changes. I think this is what people experience.
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