Consequences of year round blast and cruise

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Listen to DH, the man knows his ****. I vary the lengths of my blast and I cruise at 250mg which is higher than I'm prescribed. Hcg is really only cosmetic, if u make te choice to be on trt or hrt u should be aware that u probably won't be able to have kids. It does happen but chances are severally reduced. If u end up wanting kids u can try a blast of hcg followed by clomid. I have seen studies where this works. But again it's not a guaranty. The longer u are on trt the more damage u do being **** down. I made the choice at about ur age and feel like it was the right choice. I wanted kids but have come to terms that I probably won't have my own.
    It's not all doom and gloom Chris you know that. There's ways around everything these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    Really? You not even gunna try? Thing is the doctor didn't really say anything about no kids ? If like to have more kids one day tho !! Think I'll have to read up abit more mate
    There's always options is you want more kids. There's medications that mimic all three hormones required for spermatogenesis. It can get expensive however but it's becoming increasing more prevalent in today's society. I would stress bro that's what fertility doctors are paid for.


  2. Then the question is whether it is worth toying with hormones for a couple years to possibly struggle to have a child down the road. Knowing several people that face this, it is not something to take lightly and just assume that you'll be able to fix it, if it occurs.
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  3. sperm bank

  4. yay, AlexPowell saves the day again.

  5. The hero that AnabolicMinds deserves
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  6. wasnt trying to be depressing, there are ways around it. just have to know that chances are significantly decreased. they were already low thats why im on trt. but i have 2 friends that are on year round and both got there girls pregnant. all though ryan had a black child... and they are both white.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  7. There is alot of science not being mentioned here regarding shutdown and leydig cell damage.

    The damage comes through oxidation and shutdown. Science points to the fact that leydig cells do have the ability to stop production and later resume activity however this is highly variable from man to man on exactly what extent.
    My suggestion is to run a low dose of hcg EOD to mitigate leydig cell desensitization from said oxidative damage. For good measure, throw in NAC, Tocopherols & tocotrienols, and melatonin at night because all of these reduce leydig cell damage via different ways.

    When ready to try for pregnancy, jump on Clomid for 3-4 weeks @ a moderately low dose (<50mg/day). Should work fine. But as with anything, no guarantee.

  8. Hahaha! Nice

  9. I know several guys that have got their girl pregnant on 3-5g cycles. Single 5000ui shot of hCG did it. One of them needed another shot a week later

    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    There is alot of science not being mentioned here regarding shutdown and leydig cell damage.

    The damage comes through oxidation and shutdown. Science points to the fact that leydig cells do have the ability to stop production and later resume activity however this is highly variable from man to man on exactly what extent.
    My suggestion is to run a low dose of hcg EOD to mitigate leydig cell desensitization from said oxidative damage. For good measure, throw in NAC, Tocopherols & tocotrienols, and melatonin at night because all of these reduce leydig cell damage via different ways.

    When ready to try for pregnancy, jump on Clomid for 3-4 weeks @ a moderately low dose (<50mg/day). Should work fine. But as with anything, no guarantee.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    There is alot of science not being mentioned here regarding shutdown and leydig cell damage. The damage comes through oxidation and shutdown. Science points to the fact that leydig cells do have the ability to stop production and later resume activity however this is highly variable from man to man on exactly what extent. My suggestion is to run a low dose of hcg EOD to mitigate leydig cell desensitization from said oxidative damage. For good measure, throw in NAC, Tocopherols & tocotrienols, and melatonin at night because all of these reduce leydig cell damage via different ways. When ready to try for pregnancy, jump on Clomid for 3-4 weeks @ a moderately low dose (<50mg/day). Should work fine. But as with anything, no guarantee.
    Hcg could get expensive if not perscribed ... I'm on trt now .. But havnt asked about anything else I should take ..
    If I'm blasting with tren should I use low dose hgc until I go back to cruise on trt dose ?? Could this be a possibility to help ?
    NAC, Tocopherols & tocotrienols, and melatonin at night this I need to research

  11. Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    Hcg could get expensive if not perscribed ... I'm on trt now .. But havnt asked about anything else I should take .. If I'm blasting with tren should I use low dose hgc until I go back to cruise on trt dose ?? Could this be a possibility to help ? NAC, Tocopherols & tocotrienols, and melatonin at night this I need to research
    Hcg #

  12. Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    Hcg #
    Hcg isnt too expensive IMO. Run 150mcg EOD or 100mcg ED. You want to simulate normal Test pulsation so take in the morning when natural T is highest.

    I mean, 2000iu's is what..$15-20 Maybe? Plus shipping too though but still a 2000iu vial would last u 3-4 weeks.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Hcg isnt too expensive IMO. Run 150mcg EOD or 100mcg ED. You want to simulate normal Test pulsation so take in the morning when natural T is highest. I mean, 2000iu's is what..$15-20 Maybe? Plus shipping too though but still a 2000iu vial would last u 3-4 weeks.
    Would you do this whilst on trt cruise and blast or just blasting bro ?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    Would you do this whilst on trt cruise and blast or just blasting bro ?
    Either is fine. Taking while cruising is best though. Keeps the leydig cells stimulated to some degree and helps boatloads when you decide to come off. You can either do as I mentioned or just take 250iu twice weekly or E4D or so.

    That should be enough to keep em stimulated to some degree.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Either is fine. Taking while cruising is best though. Keeps the leydig cells stimulated to some degree and helps boatloads when you decide to come off. You can either do as I mentioned or just take 250iu twice weekly or E4D or so. That should be enough to keep em stimulated to some degree.
    If it helps maybe keeping less chance of permenant infertility then I'll add hcg 250iu twice weekly and I'll look into in NAC, Tocopherols & tocotrienols, and melatonin on my cruises

    Is it ok to up doctors perscribed trt dose slightly . Instead of 250mg test e every 2 weeks up it to 250mg weekly ? Or just play it safe

  16. Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post

    If it helps maybe keeping less chance of permenant infertility then I'll add hcg 250iu twice weekly and I'll look into in NAC, Tocopherols & tocotrienols, and melatonin on my cruises

    Is it ok to up doctors perscribed trt dose slightly . Instead of 250mg test e every 2 weeks up it to 250mg weekly ? Or just play it safe
    He needs to give u 100-150mg/wk and given in twice weekly dosing schedule minimum. Once every two weeks is more harm than good.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    He needs to give u 100-150mg/wk and given in twice weekly dosing schedule minimum. Once every two weeks is more harm than good.
    As of next week he's letting me self inject so ill do it weekly on my own mate . Is that a good cruise dose Aswel then 250mg so 125mg weekly

  18. A cruise dose that is likely going to keep you out of trouble with RBC, e2, and BP will be in the 120 range, split twice weekly- so 60 e3.5d.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    A cruise dose that is likely going to keep you out of trouble with RBC, e2, and BP will be in the 120 range, split twice weekly- so 60 e3.5d.
    Yea so basically test e 250 he perscribes me every 2 weeks , when I start self injecting it will be 125 weekly .
    I'll do hcg on cruise also but blast with tren and test
    12 on 12trt, 12 on , 12 trt etc if that's ok .
    Do any one else blast and cruise similar? What's your cycles like

  20. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    The homo that AnabolicMinds deserves
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  21. I've never seen test e 250 that was prescribed. My doc only prescribes up to 200mg a week. At 200 I'm in the 1200-1300 range. Now I have been known to cruise at 300mg per week but 150mg is good for maintence with so lean gains.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  22. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    I've never seen test e 250 that was prescribed. My doc only prescribes up to 200mg a week. At 200 I'm in the 1200-1300 range. Now I have been known to cruise at 300mg per week but 150mg is good for maintence with so lean gains.
    It's 250mg ever other week mate giving me at the moment , I've just had another blood test yesterday. This was 2 weeks after my last jab. So he's jabbed me twice altogether
    So 250 jab , 2 weeks later another 250mg jab and 2 weeks after a blood test
    . . I'll wait a week to get results.
    I'm guessing I'll be in normal range
    But I can't wait to start my tren lol

  23. Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post

    It's 250mg ever other week mate giving me at the moment , I've just had another blood test yesterday. This was 2 weeks after my last jab. So he's jabbed me twice altogether
    So 250 jab , 2 weeks later another 250mg jab and 2 weeks after a blood test
    . . I'll wait a week to get results.
    I'm guessing I'll be in normal range
    But I can't wait to start my tren lol
    Injections every 2 weeks will give you a front row seat on the hormone rollercoaster. I shoot every 4 days

  24. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Injections every 2 weeks will give you a front row seat on the hormone rollercoaster. I shoot every 4 days
    Didn't have a choice as doctor prescribed . But I'm pushing for own injections next week so ill do it Monday n Fridays . But I got a funny feeling it's 250mg 1ml amps so not sure how to divide it ?

  25. You just have to do some math once you know. For those of us on test cyp, 1ML equals 200mg. So I take around .3ml e3.5d which would be about 60mg
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