The classic cutter: Test P/tren A/Mast
- 09-03-2013, 03:57 AM
The classic cutter: Test P/tren A/Mast
This will be my first injectable cycle. I know I'll get flamed for doing tren on my first run but I have extensive experience with pro hormones and I have done all my homework with this cycle. I know all the sides of tren. I generally experience few side effects from any PH, even SD. So I think I should be able to handle it, as long as it does its job
My diet consists of eggs, tuna, chicken, beef, and protein/weight gainer shakes.
My goal for this cycle is to get down to single digit bf%
I will be running 8 weeks, followed by a 200 test e cruise until my next cycle
Tren a 300-400/wk 1-8 (start at 300, raise if sides are tolerable)
Test prop 100 wk 1-8
Mast p 400 wk 1-8
Any suggestions, input are appreciated! Just don't flame me for tren on first cycle because I know what I'm doing and will drop it if I don't like it.
- 09-03-2013, 03:26 PM
Think about it this way, you have your whole life to run cycles..., why use the hard compounds in the beginning when you will benefit from test? Think later on what your cycles will look like.
Either way I'm in on this.
- 09-03-2013, 03:54 PM
09-03-2013, 07:47 PM
I think the fact that he's doing tren for first cycle is stupid but cruisin on test into next cycle when this is ur first cycle is cen dumber. Don't turn ur first cycle into ur only cycle.
09-03-2013, 08:44 PM
You can study how to swim for years, sitting on a chair, practicing strokes and breathing, but if you've never been in the water, you're not ready to swim from Cuba to Florida. I don't know how you can reconcile your logic by saying you've never used AAS but read about it and you are ready for Tren. Being ready for a tren cycle has nothing to do with reading about it, you have to ease into it so you know how each drug affects you in isolation. Plus, using PH is like drinking fruit juice as you get ready for your big bottle of Jack.
09-03-2013, 09:08 PM
09-04-2013, 02:24 AM
And yes, I plan on blasting and cruising for a while. Not forever. Maybe a year, perhaps a little longer.
I know what tren has to offer. And I want it. I am an incredibly determined individual and I will deal with whatever I need to to reap the rewards of tren.
In case you haven't noticed, not a soul on this planet will talk me out of this cycle. I am excited to share my experience with you all.
09-04-2013, 09:31 AM
Tren is my favorite as well
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09-04-2013, 10:26 AM
09-04-2013, 11:19 AM
09-04-2013, 02:27 PM
09-05-2013, 02:12 AM
+10 ******* points to you though for being a nit-picking prick about my terminology. I can assure you I have more-than-adequate knowledge about every steroid and hormone I have put/will in the future put in my body.
Thanks for your worthless contribution to this thread.
09-05-2013, 06:48 AM
09-05-2013, 10:28 AM
09-05-2013, 10:30 AM
09-05-2013, 11:07 AM
Hey op. let us know WHEN you nick a vein and think you are going to die. Maybe you could post when you are up all night in a pool of sweat. Either way good luck.
09-05-2013, 11:48 AM
09-05-2013, 11:58 AM
09-05-2013, 12:01 PM
In for the fun, the flames, and all the test ha. Good luck bro keep the updates coming. Just a ?, what is your dosing looking like (ed/eod) and when are you starting?
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09-05-2013, 12:56 PM
Hey everyone must expect to come face to face with the evil tren cough. And I'm actually looking forward to night sweats. Lets me know my **** is good and that tren is doing its job.
And I know that this is not a beginner cycle. I know tren should never be used on a first cycle. But I like to push myself to the limit to see what I can achieve. If I'm going to take steroids, I'm going to take the best one there is. It's how I am. You can flame me all day long but it's not going to matter once I start making tren-gains. I WILL do this cycle. And I will experience unpleasant side effects (cough, insomnia, night sweats, tren rage). I know what's coming. And I know I can deal. Like I said before, I'm an extremely motivated person and when I want something I will do anything/deal with anything I must to achieve it.
So really guys, at this point flames aren't necessary. No one is going to talk me out of it and I am completely aware of the hell-ride I may experience on tren. And I'm aware of how stupid this is as a first cycle for an average person. But as I stated above, I'm no average person. NO PAIN, NO GAIN.
I will be injecting EOD. Mainly for ease of measuring ccs. 14 mgs of test and 57 mgs of mast sounds like a real pain in the ass lol with eod dosing it would be as follows:
Prop: 25mg eod
Tren: 75-100 eod
Mast: 100 eod
So a total of 1.75 cc eod. (My mast prop is 200/ml)
09-05-2013, 01:05 PM
09-05-2013, 02:24 PM
09-05-2013, 04:56 PM
As you stay in this game for a while, you'll find that you don't respond to certain AAS and doses the way you once did. As a result, you begin to add more to your stack and also up the doses. You might also add things like Tren.Originally Posted by nelson44bears
For this reason, its important to not use any more than necessary to make gains. I can handle a gram of test with 4 additional compounds, but that's foolish and leaves me little room for progression in the future.
I first started cycling in the 90's and I still use very moderate doses, but they have had to increase as have the number of compounds used.
For the same reason, you don't have to max out your dose the first week either. Meaning, if you were going to run an 8 week cycle of test, and you wanted to run it at 750 mg/wk, you could start at 500 mg and then at week 4 (as your body adjusts) bump it to 750. Running more than you need or can utilize also contributes to aromatizing and sides. It's not about whether or not you can handle it.
You see, your body is always trying to find balance. It wants to reach homeostasis. Your body doesnt want to pack on slabs of extra muscle. Without going to far into this, other things happen like rising myostatin levels which halt gains, etc.
So the moral of the story is - Leave some room for progression.
And I wouldn't worry about the PH, DS, AAS terminology. I don't know what half of that sh1t is. Back in my day we had AAS and Andro. We didn't have wireless AT&T U-Verse and all these new fangled designer steroids. I can't keep up.
09-06-2013, 01:47 AM
I think you are completely right. Leave room for progression. But I don't plan on doing steroids forever. Maybe a couple years. So I want to make as much progress as I can in that time. I'm sure this will involve having to use more and higher dosed anabolics in the future but as I said, I don't want to be on steroids for more than a couple years.
09-06-2013, 02:34 AM
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09-06-2013, 02:35 PM
09-07-2013, 01:25 AM
09-14-2013, 06:07 PM
In for the posts about Horrific Anxiety, mad aggression, terrible insomnia, constant sweating, and horrific heartburn......but I'm sure all the "Legal" stuff had potential sides even close to tren right?
09-15-2013, 01:46 AM
The cough comes on from the tren getting in your blood... Doesn't take hardly any.... Just passing through a vein will do it. Face will feel like its on fire, throat feels like its closing up, and a relentless cough like the person above said as if you hit a bong... One time I thought I was gonna black out, I had to lay on the bathroom floor hah ha ha
09-15-2013, 07:01 AM
09-15-2013, 10:18 AM
I think everyone experiences sides differently. I haven't got the tren cough yet after 3.5 week and I don't really have much night sweats. I am also on 800mg mast prop which many find reduced sides, and more tren than test which many also feel reduces sides.
Tren is awesome though, pretty much side free other than sweating my ass off during activity and being warm a lot.
09-15-2013, 11:19 AM
09-15-2013, 11:50 AM
And my source is g2g. He's been in the business for a decade. Plus tren is too cheap to fake, mast and primo are the ones that are usually iffy
09-25-2013, 01:57 PM
i cruise at 200mg of test cyp year round.
this is the exact blast cruise i did earlier this year, ive been on cruise mode the past 3 months due to a surgery.
weeks 1-4 (remember im always on test)
tren ace 150mg ed
mast p 100mg ed
androl 75-100mg ed
weeks 5-8 (rest)
weeks 9-15 (6week)
Npp 150mg ed
Superdrol 30/30/40/40/50 (dont go past 30mg)
weeks 16-22 rest
Eq 1.2g per week
mast E 400mg per week
one thing i have learned is if your going to be on all the time invest in mast e. i run it year round at 200-400mg.
you need caber .5 twice a week
and take .5-1mg of letrozole ed until you come off the blast. these two things are a must. start with .5 of letro that should hold you if your only doing 100mg of tren aday. if you bump to 150mg you might need 1mg.
your going to lose your appetite about the middle of week 2, so be prepared. this is a complex cycle, i wouldn't recommend it but if you do it do it right. you can message me if you have any questions.
09-25-2013, 02:00 PM
09-26-2013, 11:38 AM
So, you would be deadest against a 10 or so week blast, even with long esters CSA? I'll lay my cards on the table, after my first cycle I cruised on 400 mg of test cyp, for 12 weeks, (the duration of my first cycle). I'm currently running tren E and test E at 400mg and 150 mg a week. I was thinking of doing it for 10 weeks of tren then 2 more weeks of test then going back on a cruise. Would you recommend otherwise? I know you'll likely ask well why would you run tren E, my source has tren E or Tri tren 150 (ace/enathate/hex) 50/50/50 per mil. To me that seems like a ****ty alternative as I don't like pinning everyday which you would need to with ace. Not to hijack the thread but you sort of brought it up.
09-26-2013, 12:14 PM
i have nothing against Tren e. it is somewhat unstable as in its half life isnt really that reliable but i have tren e stock piled mainly to cruise on. like 100mg of test e with 200mg of tren e. and it sounds like your doing a more traditional cycle, nothing wrong with that. the blast crusie protocol i used because a frend was going into contest prep so i jumped on boarded and loved the changing compounds. you never hit a platau. but it sounds likek you have a good set up.
tren hex is the most stable of all the trens. tren e is the least stable so when you can and if you can afford it go with parabolin. but i use tren e and have never had any problems
09-28-2013, 10:21 PM
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