Pinning in Thigh instead of Glute?
07-18-2013 04:16 PM
Pinning in Thigh instead of Glute?
I pinned for the first time earlier today and I suppose it could have gone worse, but it was far from perfect and easy. Test P 100mg/1cc with a 25g 1.5" needle in the glute. I didn't aspirate because it seemed impossible trying to do it with two hands. I now understand I should be able to do it with one hand. The other surprise was just how hard it was to depress the plunger. It seemed like it was stuck, so I withdrew the needle, checked it and re-pinned (ouch). I guess it just takes patience and firm, constant pressure. I'm sure I will improve as I continue. In a bit I will be pinning 250mg Test E (I'm using the prop to kickstart and taper off). I'm considering moving over to the thigh and wanted to get some feedback about this. I would have a lot more control, be able to aspirate easier and feel more comfortable pinning in the thigh. Can I/should I do this? Or should I just man up and learn to do it in the glute? Thank you.
07-18-2013 04:21 PM
I use a 20ga for the glutes, mainly due to scar tissue, but I also use a 20ga for thighs too. The oil goes in like warm butter. A 25ga is too small for oil, I don't care what anyone says. That's for water, not oil. Try a 23ga, that should work better for you.
07-18-2013 05:08 PM
Okay, ordering 23's right now. In the meantime, heat up the test and continue to use the 25's or use the 20's that I have for drawing? Will using the 20's f me up? Too big and cause scaring?
07-18-2013 05:50 PM
I never pin glutes. I hate twisting and not being able to see/aspirate easily. I rotate quads almost exclusively. I use 1" 23g pins and I really don't think ill ever pin glutes again. Ill push anywhere from 1-3cc in my quad.
07-18-2013 06:09 PM
Just an FYI - I went ahead and did the Test E in the glute with the 25g needle just because I wanted to be absolutely sure I wasn't crazy or doing something wrong. Talk about a clusterf*@k of anxiety, pain, unnecessary blood and struggle. This is a near impossibility with a 25g needle! The test E was even harder than the test P. There is no way I am going to attempt this again, at least not without first heating the test. I had to grip the syringe with a death grip and use INSANE strength (I'm a piano player and have stronger hands than most) to depress the plunger. It took forever. This test must be thicker than most because so many people are saying a 25g needle is what should be used. I ordered the 23's. Just not sure what I'm going to do from here. Probably heat the test and pin the quads instead using the 25's until I get the 23's. Also, I had a hard time aspirating. It was as if suction was making it impossible.
07-18-2013 06:37 PM
Not sure if your test P was in water or oil, but if it was in water, then that's why it worked so well with a 25ga. But like I said, a 25ga was meant for water, not oil. I know the feeling of pushing it so hard that your fingers hurt. And you really don't need to warm up the oil. Just get the right size needle and it will go in smoothly...One comment on the glutes. You may be reaching around too far. All you need to do is pin on the other side of the hip bone. I never aspirate when doing the glutes. If I'm in a vein, I'll know it as soon as I start to inject. It will burn like hell.
07-18-2013 06:39 PM
I've never tried with 25's. 23's work great, but I normally push pretty slow anyway. As far as pain (I'm sure many people do this) I push the needle against my skin without puncturing it, and whatever pain I feel (if any) is indicative of how close I am to nerve, how painful the shot will be, etc. I have a sweet spot that I legitimately can't feel at all and since I found it ive had perfect injections.
07-18-2013 06:40 PM
And I just re-read that and realized you tried glutes again, not quad. My bad.
07-18-2013 09:21 PM
Man, my upper-outer glute where I re-pinned the test prop twice with the same needle is SO sore. It feels like it's bruised but there is no visual sign of bruising. Amazing how easily a needle dulls and how important it is to use a fresh one every time we pin. I assume the pain is from a dulled needle. It hurt going in unlike the first time.
07-18-2013 09:43 PM
What size syringe are you using?
I have no problems with a 25g and a 3ml syringe, with oil based. 25g and 5ml syringe is terrible. I use 25g with 3ml syringe for pecs, delts, thighs, and tear drop (vastus medialus? Thanks wiki). And 22g with 5ml syringe for glutes and traps.
I'm also flexible enough to use two hands for glutes. Lol
07-18-2013 09:46 PM
Running with the Big Boys
You must have thick gear because I only use 25g when using more than 1cc and a 29g when using <1cc.
07-18-2013 09:51 PM
This is exactly how i do it. I use 23ga-1.5". 3ml. One quad sun the other quad on wed. No probs.
Originally Posted by rdg21
07-18-2013 10:04 PM
I'm using 3ml syringes. I guess this gear is just thick.
07-18-2013 10:05 PM
07-18-2013 10:13 PM
Another thought. I keep the gear in a back bedroom that is well air-conditioned and very cool. It's def not room temp. Maybe it's a bit thicker because of that.
07-18-2013 10:42 PM
Hey mate, I was in the same boat as you, just stick with it and you'll get it. My advice coming from someone who has recently dealt with this (in the last 3 weeks):
- Get some 23g needles, that's what I'm using and they seem good
- Get a heat pack / wheat bag, heat it up prior to injections and then wrap the vial in it while you get everything together, draw up your dose, then wrap the ready to inject barrel in the heat pack. I've found the oil injects much easier and less painful the next few days.
- If you're getting blood you probably hit it too low.. The location on your glute is actually your ventro glute which is quite high up. I made this mistake and it's a) more painful and b) squirts blood if you pass through a vein.
Oh yeah, you actually want to inject quite slow... should take you about 30 seconds to inject the gear.. If you do it too fast(which is the natural reaction when you just want it over and done with) then you will have more PIP and could develop things like abscesses etc
This is something you'll have to learn to do, because you shouldn't only use two injection sites. You'll build up scar tissue and it will make injecting in the future very hard. You'll get it, you just need to keep practicing at it!
07-18-2013 11:16 PM
Right on. Thank you all for the help and thanks Damorgs for the kind words.
07-20-2013 03:01 PM
I always used 25g 1.5 for glutes...no matter what gear it was easy. I use 23g 1" for quads and ventros now. Your gear shouldn't be too thick to go thru a 25g...thats crazy.... Your quads take a while to accept a needle...at least in my experience....but once the virgin pain goes away its the way to go for sure....quick and easy
07-20-2013 03:41 PM
Well it may be crazy, but it's the truth. Today I heated the test and used a 25 needle in the quad and it could not have gone better. The plunger depressed slowly but without a fight. It was so much easier. I have zero PIP. My glute from pinning two days ago still feels like I got smashed with a baseball bat, but it is healing and feeling better, slowly. I really messed it up by double pinning and then moving the syringe around while I fought it. I love the quad. That's going to be my favorite.
07-20-2013 10:57 PM
This officially marks my end here. Glute and ventro glute aren't the same muscle. I'm gonna miss DH and a couple others cuz they know their shiit, but the rest of the advice here is so pathetic. Hey bro email me and I'll set you straight or have one of my eroids homies help you. There's to much booll shiit here to take it seriously.
Originally Posted by Damorgs
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