Pinning in Thigh instead of Glute?
- 07-18-2013, 05:16 PM
Pinning in Thigh instead of Glute?
I pinned for the first time earlier today and I suppose it could have gone worse, but it was far from perfect and easy. Test P 100mg/1cc with a 25g 1.5" needle in the glute. I didn't aspirate because it seemed impossible trying to do it with two hands. I now understand I should be able to do it with one hand. The other surprise was just how hard it was to depress the plunger. It seemed like it was stuck, so I withdrew the needle, checked it and re-pinned (ouch). I guess it just takes patience and firm, constant pressure. I'm sure I will improve as I continue. In a bit I will be pinning 250mg Test E (I'm using the prop to kickstart and taper off). I'm considering moving over to the thigh and wanted to get some feedback about this. I would have a lot more control, be able to aspirate easier and feel more comfortable pinning in the thigh. Can I/should I do this? Or should I just man up and learn to do it in the glute? Thank you.
- 07-18-2013, 05:21 PM
I use a 20ga for the glutes, mainly due to scar tissue, but I also use a 20ga for thighs too. The oil goes in like warm butter. A 25ga is too small for oil, I don't care what anyone says. That's for water, not oil. Try a 23ga, that should work better for you.
- 07-18-2013, 06:08 PM
Okay, ordering 23's right now. In the meantime, heat up the test and continue to use the 25's or use the 20's that I have for drawing? Will using the 20's f me up? Too big and cause scaring?
07-18-2013, 06:50 PM
I never pin glutes. I hate twisting and not being able to see/aspirate easily. I rotate quads almost exclusively. I use 1" 23g pins and I really don't think ill ever pin glutes again. Ill push anywhere from 1-3cc in my quad.
07-18-2013, 07:09 PM
Just an FYI - I went ahead and did the Test E in the glute with the 25g needle just because I wanted to be absolutely sure I wasn't crazy or doing something wrong. Talk about a clusterf*@k of anxiety, pain, unnecessary blood and struggle. This is a near impossibility with a 25g needle! The test E was even harder than the test P. There is no way I am going to attempt this again, at least not without first heating the test. I had to grip the syringe with a death grip and use INSANE strength (I'm a piano player and have stronger hands than most) to depress the plunger. It took forever. This test must be thicker than most because so many people are saying a 25g needle is what should be used. I ordered the 23's. Just not sure what I'm going to do from here. Probably heat the test and pin the quads instead using the 25's until I get the 23's. Also, I had a hard time aspirating. It was as if suction was making it impossible.
07-18-2013, 07:37 PM
Not sure if your test P was in water or oil, but if it was in water, then that's why it worked so well with a 25ga. But like I said, a 25ga was meant for water, not oil. I know the feeling of pushing it so hard that your fingers hurt. And you really don't need to warm up the oil. Just get the right size needle and it will go in smoothly...One comment on the glutes. You may be reaching around too far. All you need to do is pin on the other side of the hip bone. I never aspirate when doing the glutes. If I'm in a vein, I'll know it as soon as I start to inject. It will burn like hell.
07-18-2013, 07:39 PM
I've never tried with 25's. 23's work great, but I normally push pretty slow anyway. As far as pain (I'm sure many people do this) I push the needle against my skin without puncturing it, and whatever pain I feel (if any) is indicative of how close I am to nerve, how painful the shot will be, etc. I have a sweet spot that I legitimately can't feel at all and since I found it ive had perfect injections.
07-18-2013, 07:40 PM
07-18-2013, 10:21 PM
Man, my upper-outer glute where I re-pinned the test prop twice with the same needle is SO sore. It feels like it's bruised but there is no visual sign of bruising. Amazing how easily a needle dulls and how important it is to use a fresh one every time we pin. I assume the pain is from a dulled needle. It hurt going in unlike the first time.
07-18-2013, 10:43 PM
What size syringe are you using?
I have no problems with a 25g and a 3ml syringe, with oil based. 25g and 5ml syringe is terrible. I use 25g with 3ml syringe for pecs, delts, thighs, and tear drop (vastus medialus? Thanks wiki). And 22g with 5ml syringe for glutes and traps.
I'm also flexible enough to use two hands for glutes. Lol
07-18-2013, 10:46 PM
You must have thick gear because I only use 25g when using more than 1cc and a 29g when using <1cc.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
07-18-2013, 10:51 PM
07-18-2013, 11:04 PM
07-18-2013, 11:05 PM
07-18-2013, 11:13 PM
Another thought. I keep the gear in a back bedroom that is well air-conditioned and very cool. It's def not room temp. Maybe it's a bit thicker because of that.
07-18-2013, 11:42 PM
Hey mate, I was in the same boat as you, just stick with it and you'll get it. My advice coming from someone who has recently dealt with this (in the last 3 weeks):
- Get some 23g needles, that's what I'm using and they seem good
- Get a heat pack / wheat bag, heat it up prior to injections and then wrap the vial in it while you get everything together, draw up your dose, then wrap the ready to inject barrel in the heat pack. I've found the oil injects much easier and less painful the next few days.
- If you're getting blood you probably hit it too low.. The location on your glute is actually your ventro glute which is quite high up. I made this mistake and it's a) more painful and b) squirts blood if you pass through a vein.
Oh yeah, you actually want to inject quite slow... should take you about 30 seconds to inject the gear.. If you do it too fast(which is the natural reaction when you just want it over and done with) then you will have more PIP and could develop things like abscesses etc
This is something you'll have to learn to do, because you shouldn't only use two injection sites. You'll build up scar tissue and it will make injecting in the future very hard. You'll get it, you just need to keep practicing at it!
07-19-2013, 12:16 AM
07-20-2013, 04:01 PM
I always used 25g 1.5 for glutes...no matter what gear it was easy. I use 23g 1" for quads and ventros now. Your gear shouldn't be too thick to go thru a 25g...thats crazy.... Your quads take a while to accept a needle...at least in my experience....but once the virgin pain goes away its the way to go for sure....quick and easy
07-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Well it may be crazy, but it's the truth. Today I heated the test and used a 25 needle in the quad and it could not have gone better. The plunger depressed slowly but without a fight. It was so much easier. I have zero PIP. My glute from pinning two days ago still feels like I got smashed with a baseball bat, but it is healing and feeling better, slowly. I really messed it up by double pinning and then moving the syringe around while I fought it. I love the quad. That's going to be my favorite.
07-20-2013, 11:57 PM
07-21-2013, 04:37 PM
Ditch the 25g and get 23g also 1 inch is fine unless u fat. I've never attempted a glute shot because it seems very hard if ur alone. I've given glute shots many times but I find it hard alone. The thigh and delt are excellent spots also I've done triceps and chest both being good spots.
07-21-2013, 05:11 PM
07-21-2013, 05:34 PM
What I think I discovered is that test prop is more painful than test enath. Regardless of how well I pin or where I pin, when I pin test prop for the first time (I've done it in two virgin muscles now) 24 hours later, I have severe PIP. Right now it's my quad from that "perfect" pin I talked about a few posts back. I can barley walk. The pain is pretty spectacular. There is no way I am going to inject in any upper body muscles right now. I need them working for this cycle. I'm not concerned with legs or my ass, so I'll pin down there. It seems for a newcomer like me it's a bit of a chess game to break in these muscles while avoiding the kind of PIP in the areas that are most critical for my cycle. I've heard you can lift with PIP, but there is no way I could lift with the kind of PIP I have right now in my right quad. When I'm injecting prop into a virgin muscle it's like taking one for the team. I know I'm going to be in a lot of pain, but knowing that it's something that I need to do sooner or later and knowing that the result will be something great, then it's actually kinda cool - despite the horrible pain.
07-22-2013, 12:47 PM
If you're so wise and all knowing, help the bloke out and let us all bask in your wisdom... I'm sure you'll feel a little better than just putting other people down across an anonymous platform like the internet.
Regardless of the **** slinging, I hope your shots go smoothly piano man...
07-22-2013, 04:03 PM
Think before you speak, piano man and I are on a first name basis. We email regularly. I just find it dangerous to spread mis information. If you're not 100% sure on the terminology, keep your comment to yourself.
07-24-2013, 09:26 PM
07-24-2013, 10:15 PM
Thanks. Yeah, that's what I learned. Test prop might not be the best choice for a first cycle with virgin muscles. I'm toughing it out. Every muscle I pin with it thanks me back with 3 days of pain. Massaging the area immediately after the inject when there is no pain really helps. It pays off the next day when the pain typically hits. It's still comes, but it's manageable. It seems that once I repeat pinning a muscle the pain decreases by about 20-30%. So rather quickly, this problem will disappear hopefully never to return. ..and yes, the test e that I'm doing is practically painless. Maybe just a bit if the muscle is virgin, but it's nothing like the test prop. Of all the research I did over the last year, and the expectations I had, I had no idea this PIP would be like this. If you search "test prop PIP" you'll see tons of info on it, but nobody told me anything about it directly when setting up my cycle. Not upset, but kinda mystified. I will be sure to point it out if I happen to ever help out another sometime down the road.
07-24-2013, 10:43 PM
If it doesn't go away you can cut it 50/50 with grapeseed oil. You probably came across that in your Google search. It works.
07-25-2013, 06:48 PM
I'm new to this for the most part, and I have a few questions.. What is:
Gear= what you are injecting?
Also- is there a board that answers all these (and other) Qs about definitions... so I don't waste you guys time?
07-25-2013, 09:38 PM
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