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    So I'm about a week into a DMZ cycle at 45 a day and I've been experiencing headaches all day long every day since the beginning. I'm taking cycle support as well as aegis and stano. I've tried taking baby aspirin to get rid of the headache but it does nothing and I bought some Hawthorne berry extract pills at a local supermarket. I've been taking all this but the headaches continue.NY suggestions on how to get rid of this?

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    Check your blood pressure, that's probably the culprit. If it is try bumping up hawthorne berry. Also dehydration could cause this, make sure you are drinking enough water. I usually drink at least 2.5-3L a day(3.8L is one gallon).
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    Quote Originally Posted by plomaster69 View Post
    So I'm about a week into a DMZ cycle at 45 a day and I've been experiencing headaches all day long every day since the beginning. I'm taking cycle support as well as aegis and stano. I've tried taking baby aspirin to get rid of the headache but it does nothing and I bought some Hawthorne berry extract pills at a local supermarket. I've been taking all this but the headaches continue.NY suggestions on how to get rid of this?
    I don't know a lot about DMZ, basically because I tend to blow off anything OTK, but I do know it is a powerful pro hormone, while some would say it's actually a steroid, but I would hesitate to call it a steroid. Anyway, your RBC/Hematocrit will be high, especially after 45 days. That could be causing the headaches as your heart tries to pump the thick blood through your body and the small passages in the brain would be under a lot of pressure.
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    So I upped the Hawthorne and I normally drink around a gallon a day. Today's been better with the headaches. Slight pressure in my forehead and temples but nothing compared to the past couple days. I'll post again if there's any changes.
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    So today this morning the headaches went away but I was surprised to see a ****ing river of blood coming out of my nose. Then starting around 8pm my whole body started to hurt as if I had the flu. I'm lowering the dose from 45 to 30 tomorrow, see how that treats me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plomaster69 View Post
    So today this morning the headaches went away but I was surprised to see a ****ing river of blood coming out of my nose. Then starting around 8pm my whole body started to hurt as if I had the flu. I'm lowering the dose from 45 to 30 tomorrow, see how that treats me.
    What is your blood pressure? That is not a good sign.
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    well 45 days is a bit long, that said do what you want. I think it's either BP or hematocrit or a combination of both. Check BP if high take 8oz 100% beet root juice every 8hrs. will lower bp quick, also eat 4-5 bananas ED and give blood ASAP. Also like previously mentioned hydrate a ton. Should fix ya up
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    Bro it sounds like your bp is sky high. You should be checking it daily anyway. But I suggest stopping dmz immediately and get this **** under control. You don't wanna **** around and have a heart attack or something. Next time I suggest you start at the lowest dose possible and increase it if sides aren't present. You shouldn't have let this go on this long.
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    I dropped the dosage to 30 and for the past couple days i haven't had any headaches or bloody noses. I have had a small amount of red in my mucus when I blow my nose but that's not too often. I'm going to have my bp checked out tomorrow I'll post what it is then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plomaster69 View Post
    I dropped the dosage to 30 and for the past couple days i haven't had any headaches or bloody noses. I have had a small amount of red in my mucus when I blow my nose but that's not too often. I'm going to have my bp checked out tomorrow I'll post what it is then.
    Drive to walmart and buy a bp monitor. That way you can check it daily.
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    BP is 146/69. I don't think that's too high is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by plomaster69 View Post
    BP is 146/69. I don't think that's too high is it?
    Well that's definitely not low man bit not overly high. In saying that If that's your resting bp imagine what your bp is when your exercising?
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    Quote Originally Posted by plomaster69 View Post
    BP is 146/69. I don't think that's too high is it?
    lower number diastolyic is what you're looking for mainly, the range is a bit high and it could be better, but keep an eye on it.
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    That's not stroke blood pressure, but over enough years it will be a major health issue.

    If that's not just an anamolus reading or related to the cycle, you need blood pressure medications. I've seen people in their early 40s who have had chronic, untreated stage one hypertension require dialysis due to the hammering their kidneys took over the years. Hypertension wreaks havoc on small blood vessels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plomaster69 View Post
    BP is 146/69. I don't think that's too high is it?
    Your not at stroke level or anything but its higher then it should be. Your top level is at the first stage of hypertension. Id take care of this and not let it go too long.
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    Strange that your systolic is that high and your diastolic is actually near the lower end of the normal range. 80 is considered "optimal" for diastolic, nothing at all to worry about though. Here's a chart for reference:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro View Post
    Strange that your systolic is that high and your diastolic is actually near the lower end of the normal range. 80 is considered "optimal" for diastolic, nothing at all to worry about though. Here's a chart for reference:
    Usually we'd see a smaller pulse pressure (difference between systolic and diastolic), but his isn't alarming and I've seen pulse pressures that wide quite frequently in otherwise healthy people. Lots of factors could have gone into it. I don't recall the specific cutoff for wide pulse pressure, but the number that comes to mind is 100 mmHg and he's just a touch over 70mmHg.
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    That's not healthy bp numbers but not terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    That's not stroke blood pressure, but over enough years it will be a major health issue.

    If that's not just an anamolus reading or related to the cycle, you need blood pressure medications. I've seen people in their early 40s who have had chronic, untreated stage one hypertension require dialysis due to the hammering their kidneys took over the years. Hypertension wreaks havoc on small blood vessels.
    You're exactly right. My BP over the years stayed around 150/85. Sometimes higher, rarely lower. The doc's said just keep an eye on it. Now, after years of neglect, my eGFR is 51 where it should be greater than 59. My BP is basically under control with Lisinopril, depending what I'm doing. When I was on around 800-900 mgs of tren per week, plus 100mgs of dbol ED, my BP was around 150/75. If I cruise on just 200mgs of test per week, my BP is around 116/68. But even now, I'll get readings of 160/68, depending on a lot of factors. I check it every day with an OMRON unit, one of the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    You're exactly right. My BP over the years stayed around 150/85. Sometimes higher, rarely lower. The doc's said just keep an eye on it. Now, after years of neglect, my eGFR is 51 where it should be greater than 59. My BP is basically under control with Lisinopril, depending what I'm doing. When I was on around 800-900 mgs of tren per week, plus 100mgs of dbol ED, my BP was around 150/75. If I cruise on just 200mgs of test per week, my BP is around 116/68. But even now, I'll get readings of 160/68, depending on a lot of factors. I check it every day with an OMRON unit, one of the best.
    I'm a newly graduated MD, so this is something I'm very familiar with (at least when compared to the general population).

    Just out of curiosity, since now you're in damage control mode, do you have a specialist working with you for your hypertension? Did they ever discover the etiology? There is always a reason.

    Also, at your size you really need to make sure they're not basing your eGFR off of your creatinine levels. Creatinine levels are directly proportional to muscle size. There are alternative ways to measure which I'm not familiar with, but a nephrologist or some other hypertension specialist would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    I'm a newly graduated MD, so this is something I'm very familiar with (at least when compared to the general population).

    Just out of curiosity, since now you're in damage control mode, do you have a specialist working with you for your hypertension? Did they ever discover the etiology? There is always a reason.

    Also, at your size you really need to make sure they're not basing your eGFR off of your creatinine levels. Creatinine levels are directly proportional to muscle size. There are alternative ways to measure which I'm not familiar with, but a nephrologist or some other hypertension specialist would be.
    Congratulations! I do my own bloodwork. I use Labcorp and I don't know exactly how they test for it... The doctor I'm going to is a general practitioner. I haven't seen any specialists yet. I share my results with my doctor when he feels I need to get some lab work done. Then I just give him my latest test. I try to go every 4 months and check for trends, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Congratulations! I do my own bloodwork. I use Labcorp and I don't know exactly how they test for it... The doctor I'm going to is a general practitioner. I haven't seen any specialists yet. I share my results with my doctor when he feels I need to get some lab work done. Then I just give him my latest test. I try to go every 4 months and check for trends, etc.
    Thanks

    Okay, now the good news is that creatinine you're looking at is probably elevated for a number of reasons not relating to your renal function and is more concerning to you than it should be because (a) if you're suppelementing creatine, it raises creatinine in a clinically non-significant way, and (b) muscle mass also raises creatinine in a clinical non-significant way. No promises there, but a big muscular guy who (I'm assuming) takes creatine is going to have a high creatinine and the calculated eGFR will come out low.

    Having said that, your BP really should be 120's or lower. If you're concerned about it, get a monitor, check it several times throughout the day at home. If you're higher than that, your BP meds need to be adjusted. If you went such a long time with high BP that is not well controlled, I'd ask your doc to get you a renal function panel that doesn't look at creatinine. I think Cystatin C is the marker people are following these days for cases where they want to tease out little nuances like this, but I"m not certain because, like I said, I'm newly graduated (which means still in training and technically incompetent) and I've not actually needed to look into it before.

    Just out of curiosity, what was your creatinine?
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    My last Creatinine was 1.50 (0.60-1.30). I do not take creatine supplements. My iron and ferritin were high, but I can explain that so I'm not concerned.BUN, potassium and BUN/creatinine ratio were good.
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    Are you really 59? How much meat do you eat daily? Is a lot of it red meat? Has the Cr. changed in recent years? If so, have you also become considerably more muscular?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    Are you really 59? How much meat do you eat daily? Is a lot of it red meat? Has the Cr. changed in recent years? If so, have you also become considerably more muscular?
    Just checked my BP, no lisinopril today: 121/68... I'm tripping on 400mgs of test e with a little MENT on the days I pin plus every day I'm popping a capsule of Anavar 120mgs/dbol25mgs. Been doing this for a week.
    Yes, I'll be 60 in January. I eat a lot of fish and meat, but red meat maybe only every third-fourth day.
    The creatinine seems to be dose dependent; the more AAS, the higher it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Just checked my BP, no lisinopril today: 121/68... I'm tripping on 400mgs of test e with a little MENT on the days I pin plus every day I'm popping a capsule of Anavar 120mgs/dbol25mgs. Been doing this for a week.
    Yes, I'll be 60 in January. I eat a lot of fish and meat, but red meat maybe only every third-fourth day.
    The creatinine seems to be dose dependent; the more AAS, the higher it goes.
    Well, you look great for your age.

    Having said that, it's been reported that high protein diet alone can raise serum creatinine as high as 30%. Then put your size on top of all of that (high muscle mass creates a higher serum creatinine), and it's likely your GFR is completely normal. I ran the numbers past a pharmacist I know with your size in context, and she put you at a GFR of at LEAST 80 and said probably higher due to your mass. I made some adjustments to the formula myself and came up with even higher GFR. Of course, none of this can be substituted for a real medical opinion on the issue by an expert, but I feel exceedingly confident that you're not in Stage III CKD just because your creatinine is 1.5. In addition, probably the most important thing is that there isn't any significant upward trend. If you were at 1.0 a couple years ago and now at 1.5 in the context of similar body mass, then that change in itself is an indication of chronic renal disease. But, if you've been sitting around this level for a while at a similar body mass, then I really don't think that you need to be concerned that the eGFR on your labs printout says it's in the 50s.
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