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  1.  05-03-2013  05:10 AM
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    First cycle Epistane Advice for PCT


    Hey guys I'm 25 and I've been dong a lot research for about 5 months and finally put something together. All blood work came back good.

    Quick bio
    Height-6"
    Weight- 185
    Blood pressure: 118/70

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    Liver formula and Cycle Assist ( 2 weeks)

    Havoc
    Week 1-- 20mg ( first 2-3 days 10mg)
    Week 2 --20mg
    Week 3-- 20-30mg
    Week 4--40mg


    PCT
    Week1--Nolva-40mg
    Week2--Nolva-20mg
    Week3--Nolva-30mg
    Week4--Nolva-10mg
    Pre-workout (undecided yet)

    While on cycle and PCT
    Cycle Assist
    Fish oil 900mg daily
    Potassium
    BCAA
    Additional Joint Support
    Protein (Ofcourse)

    I have looked at other threads and some say you shouldn't take a natural test booster while PCT because it could reverse the the effects and some say to take a natural test booster while PCT. Nolva should increase my testosterone enough? I need some opinions I am kind of stuck and I'm looking to keep my gains. Ofcourse, this ties in a strict diet. Or am I suppose to start taking a Natural test booster after I'm finished with Nolva?



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    From my experience your really going to want to increase the epi dosage and length of cycle. Havoc / Epistane does not really kick in until week 3, so your selling yourself short by only having 1 week to go. Increase your cycle to 6 weeks.
    Here is a cycle layout for you -

    Dosage per week - 40mg/40/40/60/60/60
    I usually run 30mg for couple days the bump to 40mg

    This is the most effective pct I have used for Epistane cycles.

    Clomid - 25mg/25/25/25
    Unleashed ( from protein factory or **** )
    Post cycle ( from protein factory or **** )
    Formestane product ( either Formeron or Formastanzol )

    I've used nolva before and recovered ok, but this set up had me feeling the best.
    I tried a different PCT set up for my last cycle and didn't recover nearly as quick as I did with the one I set out. Will return to this setup for future cycles myself.

    All support supps are necessary and great to see you have them.

    Epistane / Havoc is an excellent cycle - great gains with little to no sides.

    Enjoy.

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    Kansui is right, 20mg is not an effective dose. Bump it a little bit, though I would no go to 60mg considering it is your first cycle.

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    kansui,
    Epistane is a sulfur containing steroid which is known to have strong and long lasting anti-estrogenic activity as well as weak androgenic and mytropic activities.
    (from prohormonedb)
    I would like to know why you recommend as a PCT another two anti-estrogen products - Formestane & Clomid?
    Rather, as I have a question: Epistane vs Formestane
    thx

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    Originally Posted by Vidosick View Post
    kansui, (from prohormonedb) I would like to know why you recommend as a PCT another two anti-estrogen products - Formestane & Clomid? Rather, as I have a question: Epistane vs Formestane thx
    It has anti estrogen effects while on but estrogen can rebound when you come off. Hence why you need a serm

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    EatMoar, good answer: need a SERM, but not Formestane products (AI)
    thank you!
    What about my other question: Epistane vs Formestane (Formeron) ?
    I stand before a choice...
    I apologize if this is off topic)

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    Originally Posted by Vidosick View Post
    EatMoar, good answer, need a SERM. thank you! What about my other question: Epistane vs Formestane (Formeron) ? I stand before a choice... I apologize if this is off topic)
    Epistane is a steroid, formastane is an AI if I'm correct. People run forma stanzol in pct all the time.

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    Originally Posted by Vidosick View Post
    kansui, (from prohormonedb) I would like to know why you recommend as a PCT another two anti-estrogen products - Formestane & Clomid? Rather, as I have a question: Epistane vs Formestane thx
    That article is very broad. Epistane blocks estrogen from binding at its receptor sites hence why it's an anti estrogen of sorts but it doesn't actually lower estrogen in your body.

    AIs like formestane are efficient at blocking the enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen hence lowering overall estrogen in the body.
    Controlling estrogen is very important in pct, especially from something like epistane as rebound gyno is very common so yes you will need an AI in pct.

    Originally Posted by Vidosick View Post
    EatMoar, good answer: need a SERM, but not Formestane products (AI) thank you! What about my other question: Epistane vs Formestane (Formeron) ? I stand before a choice... I apologize if this is off topic)
    I answered this above those two compounds are nothing alike.
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