I'm planning my first trip to the dark side.
- 01-29-2013, 05:19 PM
I'm planning my first trip to the dark side.
Here's what I've got planned.
Wk 1-10: Test E 250 mg 2x week
Wk 1-4: Test P 100 mg EOD
Wk 1-4: SD 20/20/20/20
Wk 2-12: Aromasin 10 mg EOD
Preload milk thistle and Coq10 and run them throughout. (I will probably drop milk thistle after I'm done with SD). Also a good multi and I take whey protein.
Wk 12-16: Nolva 50/50/25/25
Wk 12-16: DAA 3/3/3/3
Wk 12-16: Aromasin 10 mg EOD
I will also start creatine back up for PCT
My stats and history:
2 PH cycles under my belt
Training for years, seriously for 2
3500-4000 cals per day
AVG of 200g protein/300g carb/125g fat per day
I will take any critiques/thoughts/suggestions/opinions/flaming. I have everything listed on hand, but would like to hear your viewpoints before I cross over. Thanks in advance.....GO.
- 01-29-2013, 06:19 PM
You might want a bit more of a cycle support during the SD
- 01-29-2013, 06:25 PM
01-29-2013, 06:25 PM
Don't know why you'd want to run Nolva alongside Aromasin. I'd trash the SERM.
01-29-2013, 07:22 PM
01-29-2013, 07:25 PM
01-29-2013, 07:40 PM
Aromasin will block nearly all your E2. What is a SERM going to do? SERMs were made for women, not men. SERMs were made for women to control breast cancer. Men need to control E2 for a vast variety of reasons, to include prostrate health. In my opinion, a guy never has a need for a SERM, only an AI. Having said that, what's your reasoning for using a SERM with an powerful AI?
01-29-2013, 08:52 PM
01-30-2013, 12:47 AM
01-30-2013, 01:42 AM
I was under the impression you would want to wait until the ester clears to begin any SERM use. I believe the half life of test e is around 4-7 days. From what I've read most people recommend waiting two weeks after the last injection. I'm in the planning/research stage of my first pinning cycle and I still have a lot to learn so I don't have direct experience just some research so take it with a grain of salt. I am planning on running hcg as well throughout my cycle in order to help keep the testes producing.
01-30-2013, 03:49 AM
01-30-2013, 04:02 AM
I have that taken into consideration with my schedule. But, still very interested in SERM vs no SERM. It's been pounded into my head since I've been here no SERM=no cycle. However DHs take on this makes a lot of sense
01-30-2013, 04:49 AM
01-30-2013, 05:05 AM
I don't understand what you mean by waiting until the "esters clear." I think you mean to wait until the esters have cleaved off and test absorbed. Just remember that if the half life is 7 days, the whole life isn't 14 days. I would start PCT a week after my last injection because your E2 levels will already have started to peak...Your plan to use HCG throughout your cycle is perfect. Use 250iu EW, a day before your injection. You can use 500iu a week, but 250 will do. What's your expectation from a SERM?
01-30-2013, 08:45 AM
01-30-2013, 09:06 AM
01-30-2013, 12:30 PM
01-30-2013, 01:02 PM
So many more I do not feel like putting the time in to find them.
Also telling people to just run an AI for pct is irresponsible unless they are on trt. Also HCG inhibits natural production of LH, so you are telling people its great to boost their natty test levels just to have it crash again once HCG is dropped. This all makes no sense.
Also you cant speak from experience, so this giving advise thing considering you are not going by the science or experience seems a bit flat.
01-30-2013, 01:29 PM
It's complicated.... Let’s say your ester is enanthate, which has a half life of about 10 days and you inject 200mgs. If you Google “half life” most will say that at day 10, you will have 100mgs left. The next half life—in 10 days—will leave you with 50mgs and so on, so every 10 days you cut the number in half. I do not believe that at all. There are some scientists that say, given the same scenario, that at day 10, you will have 100mgs left; we agree on that. But the next half life is at 5 days, not 10. So on the second 10th day, you’ll have about 5mgs left, not 100. My blood work supports the latter.
I posted something on esters not too long ago so I won’t repeat myself, but don’t take the half life number too seriously. In regards to PCT, I think that most guys start two weeks after the last injection because they feel most of the test is gone and E2 is at its highest levels. I’d start PCT a week after my last injection if you follow the popular protocol.
Again, if it were me, I would have been on HCG and Aromasin throughout my cycle, so I would have had good control over my E2 and natural production. If my last injection was at week 12, I would continue the Aromasin and HCG for maybe 3 weeks, into week 15 and cut it in half for the last week, week 16. This is not what others do, but 99% do what someone else does and never research to see what makes the most sense. Whether you follow traditional protocol, my recommendation or opt with no PCT, you will eventually recover so no one can confidently say one is better than the other unless there is blood work down to verify results.
01-30-2013, 01:35 PM
I totally disagree with you. But, instead of telling someone their advice is irresponsible, I tell them to research it and come up with their own conclusions. I may not be on PCT but I've been on a long time and have used HCG a long time. So there is some experience behind what I say. The more you research and actually experiment with actual blood work you'll find that many paradigms are out dated and and make no sense. So your advice is just that, your advice. Whether I think it's just a regurgitation of hearsay or sound advice, it doesn't matter. I'll keep what I think to myself. That's good advice if you're not on solid ground with what you say.
01-30-2013, 02:34 PM
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02-02-2013, 03:50 PM
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