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    Hey all,

    Stats:
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    13-15% bf

    Cycle:
    Test E 500mg/week (250 x 2) 1-16
    AH 6-9
    Kickstarted with Super DMZ 2.0 1-4
    Cycle assist
    UDCA
    Formasurge 4pumps/day
    Letro (gyno flare)

    PCT:
    Nolva & Clomid both on hand, likely a small dose of each
    DAA
    Erase
    PP TRS stack

    Diet:

    4000 calories workout days (40/40/20) macros
    2500-3000 calories rest days

    Workout Split:
    Bi/Back
    Tri/Chest
    Shoulders/Legs

    repeat, taking rest as needed. Usually 5 days working out a week.

    Diet and split are pretty much not changing, setup by Alex Azarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11
    Hey all,

    Stats:
    5'10"
    215 lbs
    13-15% bf

    Cycle:
    Test E 500mg/week (250 x 2) 1-16
    AH 4-6 weeks (will decide soon)
    Kickstarted with Super DMZ 2.0 1-4
    Cycle assist
    UDCA
    Formasurge 4pumps/day
    Letro (gyno flare)

    PCT:
    Nolva & Clomid both on hand, likely a small dose of each
    DAA
    Erase
    PP TRS stack

    Diet:
    4000 calories workout days (40/40/20) macros
    2500-3000 calories rest days

    Workout Split:
    Bi/Back
    Tri/Chest
    Shoulders/Legs

    repeat, taking rest as needed. Usually 5 days working out a week.

    Diet and split are pretty much not changing, setup by Alex Azarian.
    AH for only 2 weeks? (4-6)
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technique88

    AH for only 2 weeks? (4-6)
    No, I meant I'm running it either 4 or 6 weeks. I'm not sure. If 4 it will be 6-9. (6,7,8,9 before you tell me that's 3 weeks)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11

    No, I meant I'm running it either 4 or 6 weeks. I'm not sure. If 4 it will be 6-9. (6,7,8,9 before you tell me that's 3 weeks)
    I would run it for 6 weeks minimum and if you can then do 8 weeks. I found that the andro series really shines the final four weeks of an 8 week run. If you can do 8 weeks I would do weeks 10-18 which will help dry you out nicely on test e and going 2 weeks past last injection right before pct will help with a smoother transition.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    James did you receive the AndroHard yet??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter
    James did you receive the AndroHard yet??

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    Just got it tonight, have to get it from the mail room in the morning, I'll start tomorrow along with pics

    And the AH will be run at 6/day for 8 weeks
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    Day 1

    Took my first dose this morning with fish oils. Obviously don't expect anything yet, but the log will start regardless. I am having trouble getting my pics uploaded but I'm bloated as hell anyways with the test e, high calorie, and pizza I had (one last hurrah).

    Weight: 215

    I'm currently nursing a rotator cuff injury, probably just a strain so I went lighter today. In general I've been going lighter than my max strength and focusing on getting a good contraction on every rep and having tension constantly on muscles. Results actually have been better than just throwing the weights around. Form really is a huge deal and it's hard to sometimes put the ego aside.

    Chest
    DB Flat Bench: 60s 1x15, 100s 3x10
    Iso wide chest hammer strength: 340lbs 3x10
    Pec Deck: 150 4x10

    Tris
    V-bar Pushdowns: 150 4x10
    Lying cross body extension: 40s 3x10
    Single arm pushdown: 70 4x10

    Notes: I've been taking Letro for my gyno flare-up (pubertal gyno that came back) but it's not doing much yet @ 1.25mg EOD. I tried 2.5mg yesterday and felt like crap so I really am not liking it. I've been taking formasurge which has not prevented the flare-up, but I'd much rather that than letro. I've only been on letro for 2 weeks but I really don't like it. Hopefully the DHT will help this. It did on my last cycle.

    Diet

    2500 calories today (really nauseous from letro I believe)
    (40/35/25)

    As long as I get my protein the other macros will vary somewhat. It is just too hard in law school to plan out each meal meticulously while spending 8hrs a day at school in the library and class.
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    I get it I'm about to start law school- in California of all places
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    Day 6

    Took a few days from lifting to let the shoulder heal and see if it was a serious problem or not. Felt great today and 0 pain.

    Calories today were at 3500 30/40/30 (protein carbs fat)

    Stopped taking letro altogether as it was killing my joints and libido after 2.5 weeks. Went back to just formasurge at 100/day. Nips feel fine and libido is coming back.

    Bi's & Back Day
    Standing DB curls 40 4x10
    EZ Preacher curls 85 3x10
    DB preacher curl single arm 35 4x10

    Hammer-strength Iso-lateral High Row 250 3x10
    Hammer-strength Iso lateral Front Lat Pulldown 200 4x10
    Lat pulldown 170 4x15
    Back hyperextension 45lb plate 4x20

    Everything felt good today. I'm bloated as f*ck from sodium this weekend and eating a little unhealthier than normal. Still getting about 250g protein/day regardless. Feeling great and looking forward to a dialed in diet and Androhard to kick in and shine in the coming weeks.
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    I had 25 pages due yesterday so I've been preoccupied. Sorry about that

    Diets been reduced to 3500 calories. 250g protein and usually 130g fat and rest carbs. I don't tolerate carbs well and they make me sleepy as hell. Usually just take em post workout

    2hr flag football Friday
    Hit legs Saturday

    Today hit chest and triceps today.

    Press down 160 4x10
    Skull crushers 90 4x10
    Single arm press down 70 4x10


    Iso wide hammer chest 320 3x8
    Incline db press 80s 4x12
    Cable crossovers 4x15

    Notes: gyno is there but not sensitive as much so it may be slight fat accumulation as well. Feel ridiculously hard and pumped working out and look noticeably bigger.

    Stretch marks showing around my armpit/chest area where I've noticed the most growth.
    Weight was about 220 today.
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    Subbed. I'm running a similar product with a TRT dose of test, I'm interested to see how the effects change with a supraphysiological dose like yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Diets been reduced to 3500 calories. 250g protein and usually 130g fat and rest carbs. I don't tolerate carbs well and they make me sleepy as hell. Usually just take em post workout
    Are you counting the macros? You actually are taking a pretty decent amount of carbs based on that distribution.

    250g PRO -> 1k cal
    130g FAT -> 1.17k Cal

    Meaning 332.5g of carbs to make up the ~1330 cals remaining.

    Not saying that this split doesn't work for you, or you should do it, just wanted to make sure you have the count right, as you seemed to have implied you were low carb.
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    Carbs are usually under 250. The protein and fat always makes up for the remainder.

    I was just saying that 250g protein was minimum, and fats are usually 150-170. It's been working well. I just find it hard to get that many healthy calories in.

    I just can't do the 4-500 carbs some do on a bulk, I felt gross
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Carbs are usually under 250. The protein and fat always makes up for the remainder.

    I was just saying that 250g protein was minimum, and fats are usually 150-170. It's been working well. I just find it hard to get that many healthy calories in.

    I just can't do the 4-500 carbs some do on a bulk, I felt gross

    Ah, ok gotcha. I also typo'd my calculation and called it fat, but it seems you know what i meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Carbs are usually under 250. The protein and fat always makes up for the remainder.

    I was just saying that 250g protein was minimum, and fats are usually 150-170. It's been working well. I just find it hard to get that many healthy calories in.

    I just can't do the 4-500 carbs some do on a bulk, I felt gross

    Dont blame you --- you kind of got to choose your poison -- pro + carbs or pro + fats

    If i go high carbs like 400+ my fats are just in the protein I eat pretty much (some exceptions)

    If I keep carbs around 200 I will incorporate fats...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Dont blame you --- you kind of got to choose your poison -- pro + carbs or pro + fats

    If i go high carbs like 400+ my fats are just in the protein I eat pretty much (some exceptions)

    If I keep carbs around 200 I will incorporate fats...

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    I tend to keep protein high year round. Outisde of that high carb for gaining and higher fat for cutting
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy

    I tend to keep protein high year round. Outisde of that high carb for gaining and higher fat for cutting
    I have gained some bf already, nothing too bad just in my abdomen area. Everywhere else looks considerably learner, particularly my arms. When doing hammer curls I have some great striation in my front delts, never seen it before.

    I may venture over to high carb for a week or two just to see. The high fat gets boring after a while.
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    Interested to see how it goes. Pay attention to how it treats you, what works for one might not work for another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy
    Interested to see how it goes. Pay attention to how it treats you, what works for one might not work for another.
    Exactly. I've never gone high carb on gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Exactly. I've never gone high carb on gear.
    Experiment with getting some big carb sources pre workout. The pumps from gear and preworkout carbs can be insane.
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    Dont be afraid of carbs...but dont eat too many....I know I know...where is the happy medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter
    Dont be afraid of carbs...but dont eat too many....I know I know...where is the happy medium?

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    Gonna bump from 200-250 -> 350-400 and cut fats
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    Update:

    Weight:216

    Notes: shoulders still a little sore, taking it easy on em today

    Also I feel like I can go heavier on front squats if my wrist didn't hurt doing them. Any suggestions?

    Finally, really want to start uncorking more lifts for traps, my back is pretty huge except my traps. After seeing Warrior (awesome film btw) I noticed that Tom Hardey looked pretty built even though he's got a small frame. I think his big traps gave an illusion of size.

    Shoulders:
    Shrugs 110 DB's 4x10
    Military DB press 65s 4x10
    BB shrugs on smith 185 4x10
    Reverse pec deck 90 4x10

    Legs:
    Front squats 225 4x10.
    Leg press 300 4x15
    Calves (on leg press) 350 4x20

    Knee started to hurt so I stopped legs earlier

    Feel great, no lethargy, good vascularity in shoulders in biceps. Back had some crazy pumps after squats, little painful but went away after a stretched it
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    I like upright row with a 45* bend at waist for traps and posterior delts. A really nasty trap-tastrophe combo is DB shrugs followed by the upright row w/45* bend. Nasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball View Post
    I like upright row with a 45* bend at waist for traps and posterior delts. A really nasty trap-tastrophe combo is DB shrugs followed by the upright row w/45* bend. Nasty.

    Wish my friggin rt shoulder would stop hurting me --- I wanna get nasty with shrug, bend 45's upright row phenomenon.

    lol -- I understand the exercise, sounds good


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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter

    Wish my friggin rt shoulder would stop hurting me --- I wanna get nasty with shrug, bend 45's upright row phenomenon.

    lol -- I understand the exercise, sounds good

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    LOL! You heard that werd? Trap-tastrophe.

    Did those today actually, all sorts if swole!
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    Ha, i love the name "Trap-tastrophe"
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    Subbed. For me, not for everyone though, the only thing I've found so far that seems to make my traps grow like crazy is really high weight shrugs in the 4-6 rep range. I use like 90-110lb dumbells usually now(I didn't start out that high though). When I first started lifting for almost a full year I did lighter weight shrugs and focused on a slow movement and contraction with full ROM because everyone told me this is what I needed to get good traps. Well I realized eventually that this wasn't doing sh!t for me, and tried really heavy weight while doing BB and DB shrugs on shoulder days, in a matter of about 3 months my traps BLEW up and now I consider them some of my best muscles. Gotta find what works for you man. Keep in mind I also do high weight deadlifts each week on back days which also use your traps(and the rest of your back) a lot, so I don't know if this has helped me but maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro
    Subbed. For me, not for everyone though, the only thing I've found so far that seems to make my traps grow like crazy is really high weight shrugs in the 4-6 rep range. I use like 90-110lb dumbells usually now(I didn't start out that high though). When I first started lifting for almost a full year I did lighter weight shrugs and focused on a slow movement and contraction with full ROM because everyone told me this is what I needed to get good traps. Well I realized eventually that this wasn't doing sh!t for me, and tried really heavy weight while doing BB and DB shrugs on shoulder days, in a matter of about 3 months my traps BLEW up and now I consider them some of my best muscles. Gotta find what works for you man. Keep in mind I also do high weight deadlifts each week on back days which also use your traps(and the rest of your back) a lot, so I don't know if this has helped me but maybe.
    Yeah I tried 110s for 8-10 reps the other day. The next day my traps were nice and sore but not too bad, just enough to let you know you're doing work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Yeah I tried 110s for 8-10 reps the other day. The next day my traps were nice and sore but not too bad, just enough to let you know you're doing work.
    I say if you can do 8-10 good reps with good ROM on 110s try out the 120s, you'll probably be able to do at least 4-6. Just my opinion, like I said you gotta find what works best for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro

    I say if you can do 8-10 good reps with good ROM on 110s try out the 120s, you'll probably be able to do at least 4-6. Just my opinion, like I said you gotta find what works best for you.
    Thanks man, super heavy is what I'm reading everywhere. I'll have to give it a go
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    Gonna have to take a week off. I apparently have a pinched nerve in my back/shoulder. It's been excruciating for like 2-3 weeks but now my right hand is mild pins and needles 24/7. Went to hospital for MRI.
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    Damn, sorry to hear that bud. I hope for a quick recovery.
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    Hmmm...damn seems weird that it lasted that long? No NSAIDS to loosen things up,,,,

    Very curious to see what the MRI determines

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    I'm not going to continue this thread as it will no longer be of use now that PP is going away.

    I would like to thank here2study and Matt Porter in particularly for their help and presence over the past few years and recently more than ever. PP was my first cycle ever 2 years ago and this AH run was amazing. It is truly a shame to lose a company that was so professional and well represented.
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