I'm planning on running a test e cycle and I'm going thru some revisions. I wanted to use d-bol @ 30 mgs/ day for the first 3 weeks to jumpstart the gains, but I started reading up on oral turinabol and that it provides quality gains without aromatization or high hepatoxicity. I know both are c-17 alkylated so there is still going to be some liver toxicity, but d-bol far worse than oral t. has anyone used both and can say which they preferred? How long it took to start seeing gains in strength, size, performance, etc.?