losing my dam% mind!!!

[dustinr334]

Hey guys I need a little help. I've been running aas for a while now an have become sterile( no sperm). Me an my wife r wanting to have a baby so we r seeing a specialist. He has been having me on clomid for over twenty weeks( mild dose) in hopes to get more potent. So with this said, I decided to just cut hard an rip up while off. I've lost 42 lbs since jan. 1st. Guyz I feel I'm going to blow away. I'm so much weaker. I feel small even though when I workout I get sick pumps an it looks awesome. I know this common problems, but I want to go back to aas now. My wife really wants this baby though. Any feedback from people who have been thfrough similar or just want to help out....please do!!! I'm losin it

 

[rubberring]

I know a lot of folks will preach priorities and tell you to get over it. However, I get how you feel. If it's the strength thing that's bothering you, then decide that you're "creating/building" your body and not just moving weights for the benefit of your ego. Also... and I'm not kidding... get a new wardrobe that "fits." You'd be surprised at how psychologically helpful it can be to wear a t-shirt that clings nicely versus convincing yourself that you are entitled to that size XXL. (Stafford heavyweight tees at JC Penny are great for the gym, btw.) Concentrate on form and technique, forget about the scale, grow some muscle fiber, and make a damn baby. You have the rest of your life to abuse AAS.

In the meantime, Kai Green said it best...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8wZNGL4iA4

That being said, assess your priorities and get over it. :lol:

 

[dustinr334]

Awesome video... solid advice. Thanks man

 

[rubberring]

Awesome video... solid advice. Thanks man

No problem. They should stream that vid 24/7 in most gyms... and definitely the one I go to.

Oh, and don't forget about the major guilt trip you can hold over that kid for the rest of his/her life. That in itself is motivation to endure. :lol:

 

[dustinr334]

Lol. No doubt. Guilt trip for sure..ha

 

[dustinr334]

Any other takers on this

 

[evodrag]

Continue the therapy as prescribed and stay off aas for some more time. Did you run any hcg also? Start up some IGF-1. Add some muscle cells for future building.

 

[dustinr334]

I c the specialist next week. Ur the second person to ask me about hcg. I'm going to bring this up to him. Sounds promising. Not real up to speed on igf-1. Don't want it to prolong getting back natty test production or complicate things. I need more input or info on the subject. Ima do my homework.. any info u could shed on this...I'm all ears

 

[evodrag]

IGF1 is insulin like growth factor 1. Its whats responsible for adding muscle fiber cells when you take hgh. when taken immediately post workout injected into the muscle groups worked, is most effective. you would use a slin pin bilaterally. nothing dramatic and takes few months, but adds cells to add size to. aas build larger sized cell, and igf1 adds cells to enlarge....just the basics

 

[dustinr334]

No concerns with getting levels back to normal??

 

[v4lu3s]

are you willing to give up your wife for strength and size?

 

[dustinr334]

Not at all. Just struggling with it.. I want to compete so anything I can do to help with gains would b great..

 

[dustinr334]

What u guys think bout igf-1

 

[SR83]

I know your looking for answers but I have a question. How long did you use aas before it had this effect on you? Im just wondering

 

[Docmattic]

Ostarine?

Anabeta?

I also read about a research chem that in one Injection brought a guy's HPGA back from the dead after he had lost it for years. Its quite new i cant remember the name.

 

[dustinr334]

I know your looking for answers but I have a question. How long did you use aas before it had this effect on you? Im just wondering

I used heavy for 2.5 years. Breaks between cycles were small..

 

[dustinr334]

Ostarine?

Anabeta?

I also read about a research chem that in one Injection brought a guy's HPGA back from the dead after he had lost it for years. Its quite new i cant remember the name.

If u think if it ....let me know

 

[Docmattic]

I did a little reseach for you. Look into Triptorelin Acetate. Maybe run it by your doctor.

 

[Docmattic]

If i could offer some advise though. Maybee this would be a good time to work through this rough patch and try shake the hold that AAS have on you mentally? I'm not saying give them up completely. I believe they can be used safely. But When you have to take them to feel like yourself and they are starting to do irreversible damage is dangerous. I know what its like to be constantly obsessed with your body. All i think about up until recently was what people thought of me, that they were always judging my figure and what i looked like was never good enough. But recently i have moved past that a little. I still have my bad days, but in the end i am healthy and even though im only about 200 pounds, im still bigger than the average joe. In the end people dont love you because you have muscle. They love you for who you are. And i'm sure when your child is born they will love you regardless. And really nothing else will matter but their safety and happyness and that you would want to be an excellent role model for your child. So if anything try and get your self straight for them.

As mentioned im not saying never use again, but use it in a controlled responsible fashion. this isnt supposed to be a lecture or anything either. Just some words of encouragement

 

[dustinr334]

If i could offer some advise though. Maybee this would be a good time to work through this rough patch and try shake the hold that AAS have on you mentally? I'm not saying give them up completely. I believe they can be used safely. But When you have to take them to feel like yourself and they are starting to do irreversible damage is dangerous. I know what its like to be constantly obsessed with your body. All i think about up until recently was what people thought of me, that they were always judging my figure and what i looked like was never good enough. But recently i have moved past that a little. I still have my bad days, but in the end i am healthy and even though im only about 200 pounds, im still bigger than the average joe. In the end people dont love you because you have muscle. They love you for who you are. And i'm sure when your child is born they will love you regardless. And really nothing else will matter but their safety and happyness and that you would want to be an excellent role model for your child. So if anything try and get your self straight for them.

As mentioned im not saying never use again, but use it in a controlled responsible fashion. this isnt supposed to be a lecture or anything either. Just some words of encouragement

really good stuff bro... this is exactly the reason for this post. just struggling with it and lookin for support!!!!! deep sh@t but good stuff!!!

 

[Docmattic]

NO worries, man, Just drawing on some of my own experiences.

But as i said just before that post, look into the triptorelin acetate though that was the rs chemicle i was talking about that brings the boys back from the dead.

 

[dustinr334]

I will definitely look into it.. not sure how doctor will respond to a rs chemical... we'll c

 

[Lukef2000]

Hey man I've just jumped into bed so I can't post it but I have a study saved on my computer somewhere where people who have overdone aas use and have wanted to have a baby. I'll try and find it for you tomorrow and link it for you. I researched it for my partners sake before I did my first cycle. I think from memory 10 of the 11 patients in the study who were deemed sterile came back to healthy sperm levels.

 

[dustinr334]

Awesome.. brings hope... I definitely want that study. If you find it send it.
Thanks

 

[Lukef2000]

well bro this isnt the study i had saved i seem to have put it somewhere but ive searched around and found this one with the same treatment.

2003 Jun;79 Suppl 3:1659-61.

Successful treatment of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia with human chorionic gonadotropin and human menopausal gonadotropin.

Menon DK.


Source

Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University Malaya Medical Centre, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. [email protected]


Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

To document for the first time the successful treatment using human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and human menopausal gonadotropins (hMG) of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia that was persistent despite 1 year of cessation from steroid use.

DESIGN:

Clinical case report.

SETTINGS:

Tertiary referral center for infertility.

PATIENT(S):

A married couple with primary subfertility secondary to azoospermia and male hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. The husband was a bodybuilder who admitted to have used the anabolic steroids testosterone cypionate, methandrostenolone, oxandrolone, testosterone propionate, oxymetholone, nandrolone decanoate, and methenolone enanthate.

INTERVENTION(S):

Twice-weekly injections of 10,000 IU of hCG (Profasi; Serono) and daily injections of 75 IU of hMG (Humegon; Organon) for 3 months.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S):

Semen analyses, pregnancy.

RESULT(S):

Semen analyses returned to normal after 3 months of treatment. The couple conceived spontaneously 7 months later.

CONCLUSION(S):

Steroid-induced azoospermia that is persistent after cessation of steroid use can be treated successfully with hCG and hMG.

i hope this helps man and good luck with everything.

 

[dustinr334]

well bro this isnt the study i had saved i seem to have put it somewhere but ive searched around and found this one with the same treatment.

2003 Jun;79 Suppl 3:1659-61.

Successful treatment of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia with human chorionic gonadotropin and human menopausal gonadotropin.

Menon DK.

Source

Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University Malaya Medical Centre, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. [email protected]

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

To document for the first time the successful treatment using human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and human menopausal gonadotropins (hMG) of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia that was persistent despite 1 year of cessation from steroid use.

DESIGN:

Clinical case report.

SETTINGS:

Tertiary referral center for infertility.

PATIENT(S):

A married couple with primary subfertility secondary to azoospermia and male hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. The husband was a bodybuilder who admitted to have used the anabolic steroids testosterone cypionate, methandrostenolone, oxandrolone, testosterone propionate, oxymetholone, nandrolone decanoate, and methenolone enanthate.

INTERVENTION(S):

Twice-weekly injections of 10,000 IU of hCG (Profasi; Serono) and daily injections of 75 IU of hMG (Humegon; Organon) for 3 months.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S):

Semen analyses, pregnancy.

RESULT(S):

Semen analyses returned to normal after 3 months of treatment. The couple conceived spontaneously 7 months later.

CONCLUSION(S):

Steroid-induced azoospermia that is persistent after cessation of steroid use can be treated successfully with hCG and hMG.

i hope this helps man and good luck with everything.

I will definitely bring this up to my doc. Thanks.