Do most of you replace needles in between pulling and injecting?

  1. Do most of you replace needles in between pulling and injecting?


    I always see as an "option" the ability to replace the needle on a syringe after pulling the test out of the vial. The reasoning behind this seems to be that pushing the needle into the vial will technically blunt it, and could make an injection more painful going in. I suppose you could also do it to ensure that the needle didn't collect any sort of dirt or debris while going in or coming out of the vial/stopper (should be sterile, though).

    I'm using a 1" 25g needle, and I don't currently have replacement needles to put on the syringes. If it's considered to be a very important thing I'm more than willing to order them, but I just wanted to see what people in here thought.

    This is for Test E, by the way.


  2. You should wipe down the top of the vial with an alcohol swab. That will reduce any chance of infection as will wiping down the injection site. In regards to the sharpness, yes it will blunt it a little, but not enough to be noticeable. You are fine to use the same needle.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by GreenEarth View Post
    I always see as an "option" the ability to replace the needle on a syringe after pulling the test out of the vial. The reasoning behind this seems to be that pushing the needle into the vial will technically blunt it, and could make an injection more painful going in. I suppose you could also do it to ensure that the needle didn't collect any sort of dirt or debris while going in or coming out of the vial/stopper (should be sterile, though).

    I'm using a 1" 25g needle, and I don't currently have replacement needles to put on the syringes. If it's considered to be a very important thing I'm more than willing to order them, but I just wanted to see what people in here thought.

    This is for Test E, by the way.
    Its a matter of preference. I change mine because they are so deep and there is actually a noticable difference as far as how smooth it goes in. However, if you are not having any trouble doing the injections with the same needle then you are good to go. Definitley keep wiping the vial and injection site as already stated. Good luck with your cycle!
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  4. I'd buy more needles why risk your health by increasing the chance of passing germs by reusing.at least thats how i look at it.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mich29
    I'd buy more needles why risk your health by increasing the chance of passing germs by reusing.at least thats how i look at it.
    He's not reusing needles. He is discarding them after each use. He was referring to using the same needle to draw the test out and inject with. Which is normal practice in most situations in any clinic or hospital setting.
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  6. I use 20 gauge to pull and 25 to pin. The reason I change is so it's easier to pull and also because it's how I was taught.
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  7. Be on the safe side. Just switch pins for everything you do.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ReyMan View Post
    I use 20 gauge to pull and 25 to pin. The reason I change is so it's easier to pull and also because it's how I was taught.
    I do the same thing, with the big 20gauge you can draw it out alot quicker. Then with the 25 it's pain free
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReyMan View Post
    I use 20 gauge to pull and 25 to pin. The reason I change is so it's easier to pull and also because it's how I was taught.
    I buy syringes with 21s attached, and then switch off for a 23 or 25 depending on where i'm injecting
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  10. I pull into a 25g, 10cc pin and backload from there. It saves time and you can load up for weeks.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    I pull into a 25g, 10cc pin and backload from there. It saves time and you can load up for weeks.
    Is a 22G that's 3/4" long ok for a quad or glute pin? I know most use at least 1"...
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    Is a 22G that's 3/4" long ok for a quad or glute pin? I know most use at least 1"...
    It'll be absorbed even if it is in adipose tissue, but it'll take longer to disperse.
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  13. So this will sound a bit strange, but call me a sucker for wanting to get all of the product. If you draw out with a needle until you hit the right mark (let's say 1cc) and then take the needle off, wouldn't there still be some of the product (test e in this case) in the needle? Might not be an extraordinary amount, but if it was a steady stream going in, it seems logical that some of the test would still be in the needle, waiting to be transported into the syringe. The larger and the longer the needle, the more test e would still be stored within. For those of you who switch - would you technically draw past the 1cc point (draw some air into the syringe) to make sure all of the test is in there, replace the needle, and then push the air out?

  14. Do most of you replace needles in between pulling and injecting? YES.


  15. Quote Originally Posted by GreenEarth View Post
    So this will sound a bit strange, but call me a sucker for wanting to get all of the product. If you draw out with a needle until you hit the right mark (let's say 1cc) and then take the needle off, wouldn't there still be some of the product (test e in this case) in the needle? Might not be an extraordinary amount, but if it was a steady stream going in, it seems logical that some of the test would still be in the needle, waiting to be transported into the syringe. The larger and the longer the needle, the more test e would still be stored within. For those of you who switch - would you technically draw past the 1cc point (draw some air into the syringe) to make sure all of the test is in there, replace the needle, and then push the air out?

    You are overthinking it. No. Some of it gets wasted. When the syringe says "1mL" of stuff then it's still 1mL of stuff when you unscrew the needle. What you are really trying to say is that there is always slightly more total test in the needle/syringe than what the syringe alone reads due to a little extra found in the needle. So instead of 1mL, you might actually have 1.1mL of suspension.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by GreenEarth
    So this will sound a bit strange, but call me a sucker for wanting to get all of the product. If you draw out with a needle until you hit the right mark (let's say 1cc) and then take the needle off, wouldn't there still be some of the product (test e in this case) in the needle? Might not be an extraordinary amount, but if it was a steady stream going in, it seems logical that some of the test would still be in the needle, waiting to be transported into the syringe. The larger and the longer the needle, the more test e would still be stored within. For those of you who switch - would you technically draw past the 1cc point (draw some air into the syringe) to make sure all of the test is in there, replace the needle, and then push the air out?
    Yes to your question...draw up a fraction past 1cc, remove the pin and draw back about 0.5cc of air. Replace the needle, flick for air bubbles and pin =) I have never ran aas before but I am on my to being a veterinarian so I am doing all sorts of injections everyday. The reason for replacing the needle is not too geared towards the dullness, newer views of medicine lead us to change needles because the top of that vial is NOT sterile. Once the needle comes into contact with the vial (top of the vial) sterility has been breached. I've seen dogs contract flesh eating bacteria (strep throat for us) by lazy practice and not changing needles.
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  17. I use a 25ga by 5/8" to draw and inject into delts without changing out. Never had a problem.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion

    You are overthinking it. No. Some of it gets wasted. When the syringe says "1mL" of stuff then it's still 1mL of stuff when you unscrew the needle. What you are really trying to say is that there is always slightly more total test in the needle/syringe than what the syringe alone reads due to a little extra found in the needle. So instead of 1mL, you might actually have 1.1mL of suspension.
    My post wasn't to argue this...he is over thinking it...I shouod stated that the reason for pulling back a little more is for potential air bubbbles you will flick out.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr
    I use a 25ga by 5/8" to draw and inject into delts without changing out. Never had a problem.
    How are delt inj? I could get those needles too...
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  20. 22x1.5 in my arse...... Never changed needles between. I guess I'm used to it cause my brother swears it kills his ass

  21. Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    How are delt inj? I could get those needles too...
    Like butter. Delt is my favorite

  22. Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr

    Like butter. Delt is my favorite
    Ditto. I draw with 18g and inject with a 23g 1" (not all 1"). Pretty damn easy and quick. Always have replaced, actually threw me off not being able to do it with my slin needles for hcg.

  23. Needles are cheap, worth it to buy extra and swap out.

    Buy the syringe attached to the bigger gauge needle, and buy smaller gauge pins for injections. Cost me like $10 for 50 of each.

    I pull with 23's, and delt inject with 25's. Probably should have bought bigger to pull (using Test400)

    As far as losing out on some test swapping needles, I always pull a bit of air to clear it out. A doctor friend of mine says its okay to shoot a bit of air as long as you aspirate properly. That way there is little to no waste.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by gotta get big

    Ditto. I draw with 18g and inject with a 23g 1" (not all 1"). Pretty damn easy and quick. Always have replaced, actually threw me off not being able to do it with my slin needles for hcg.
    I just got some 22G thatt are 1.5" I will be doing quad and glute injections...can I insert the entire 1.5" needle or just about an inchof it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    I just got some 22G thatt are 1.5" I will be doing quad and glute injections...can I insert the entire 1.5" needle or just about an inchof it?
    on glutes that is fine and probably on quads too given your weight i'm guessing your quads are decent sized.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    on glutes that is fine and probably on quads too given your weight i'm guessing your quads are decent sized.
    Thanx bud...would hitting the cyatic nerve be the worry with a longer needle. I could get 22G 3/4" needles but I wasn't sure if that was long enough.
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  27. You don't have to buy extra needles.. Just take a needle off of a syringe and use it as a designated drawing needle and switch to a fresh one to inject.. Bada-bing bada-boom

  28. Quote Originally Posted by technique88

    Thanx bud...would hitting the cyatic nerve be the worry with a longer needle. I could get 22G 3/4" needles but I wasn't sure if that was long enough.
    As long as you don't get way too far in towards your crack on your glute I don't see any problems stemming from the 1.5 incher. Check this pic out and it should give you a good idea of where you should insert.


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  29. Quote Originally Posted by rabz

    As long as you don't get way too far in towards your crack on your glute I don't see any problems stemming from the 1.5 incher. Check this pic out and it should give you a good idea of where you should insert.

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  30. I know I posted earlier on this thread about sterility and needle change. I ask an old school doctor and a new school doc about needle change and this was their two cents:

    Old school: idoesnt bother to change the needle because he doesn't feel the needle dulls that much. Regarding sterility he wipes the vial with alcohol. He also said the site you are giving an IM inj is far from sterile so as you inj you are puching microorganisms into that puncture.

    New school: changes the needles but due to possible dulling of the needle more than sterility.

    If getting needles is too bothersome you SHOULD be good to go, but these are just opinions. If you can get new needles then why not change them?
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  31. Haha sorry for not following up guys...I ordered some 20g needles for pulling last week, already got them in hand Thanks.

  32. Technically speaking, you should change the needle, but it isn't important. You should also aspirate the needle to avoid injecting a blood vessel, but there is conflicting literature on the subject. The most important thing is to maintain aseptic technique and avoid the sciatic nerve.

    The reasoning has nothing to do with dirt or debris as you should always use alcohol to clean the vial before pushing the needle in. The reasoning is that a blunt needle will cause more trauma to patients, and thus more pain. If you are getting overly sore from injections, you might want to change the needle, but I have never felt the need.

  33. Quote Originally Posted by TKconserve
    Technically speaking, you should change the needle, but it isn't important. You should also aspirate the needle to avoid injecting a blood vessel, but there is conflicting literature on the subject. The most important thing is to maintain aseptic technique and avoid the sciatic nerve.

    The reasoning has nothing to do with dirt or debris as you should always use alcohol to clean the vial before pushing the needle in. The reasoning is that a blunt needle will cause more trauma to patients, and thus more pain. If you are getting overly sore from injections, you might want to change the needle, but I have never felt the need.
    I'm going to be using 1.5" needles. I'm 225 and my quads and glutes are pretty big but I am worried about pinning my sciatic nerve bc my girlf friend and I have neve2r pinned. She is doing my glutes and I'm doing my quads...any tips? Should I be concerned?
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  34. Quote Originally Posted by TKconserve View Post
    Technically speaking, you should change the needle, but it isn't important. You should also aspirate the needle to avoid injecting a blood vessel, but there is conflicting literature on the subject. The most important thing is to maintain aseptic technique and avoid the sciatic nerve.

    The reasoning has nothing to do with dirt or debris as you should always use alcohol to clean the vial before pushing the needle in. The reasoning is that a blunt needle will cause more trauma to patients, and thus more pain. If you are getting overly sore from injections, you might want to change the needle, but I have never felt the need.
    soreness doesn't really come from the needle sharpness, more so the compound you are using and the rate at which you inject. you muscle is sore because it may be having a hard time absorbing the compound

  35. Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    I'm going to be using 1.5" needles. I'm 225 and my quads and glutes are pretty big but I am worried about pinning my sciatic nerve bc my girlf friend and I have neve2r pinned. She is doing my glutes and I'm doing my quads...any tips? Should I be concerned?
    I usually put my middle finger at the top of my knee cap palm down flat on my leg. where the outside of my wrist sits I move just a tad outward from that. I do not see a lot of fat on legs of people that work out. That being said, I do not see why you would need to go 1 1/2" I just go 1".

    I also always go slow in with the needle, although the chance of hitting any nerve where I inject is minimal, I see no need to go jamming it in there....Just in case.

    Oh and have you seen what the tip of a needle looks like brand new, vs after it has gone through the rubber stopper... Under a microscope?

    If you have, you would spend the extra 5 pennies to get some extra tips.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by SteveOreno

    I usually put my middle finger at the top of my knee cap palm down flat on my leg. where the outside of my wrist sits I move just a tad outward from that. I do not see a lot of fat on legs of people that work out. That being said, I do not see why you would need to go 1 1/2" I just go 1".

    I also always go slow in with the needle, although the chance of hitting any nerve where I inject is minimal, I see no need to go jamming it in there....Just in case.

    Oh and have you seen what the tip of a needle looks like brand new, vs after it has gone through the rubber stopper... Under a microscope?

    If you have, you would spend the extra 5 pennies to get some extra tips.
    Great advice! I already have the needles...I have 1.5 and 3/4". That's all I was able to get my hands on. So that far down on the quad is the right place? How is the mid point between hip and knee?
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