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Do most of you replace needles in between pulling and injecting?

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    Do most of you replace needles in between pulling and injecting?


    I always see as an "option" the ability to replace the needle on a syringe after pulling the test out of the vial. The reasoning behind this seems to be that pushing the needle into the vial will technically blunt it, and could make an injection more painful going in. I suppose you could also do it to ensure that the needle didn't collect any sort of dirt or debris while going in or coming out of the vial/stopper (should be sterile, though).

    I'm using a 1" 25g needle, and I don't currently have replacement needles to put on the syringes. If it's considered to be a very important thing I'm more than willing to order them, but I just wanted to see what people in here thought.

    This is for Test E, by the way.



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    You should wipe down the top of the vial with an alcohol swab. That will reduce any chance of infection as will wiping down the injection site. In regards to the sharpness, yes it will blunt it a little, but not enough to be noticeable. You are fine to use the same needle.
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    Originally Posted by GreenEarth View Post
    I always see as an "option" the ability to replace the needle on a syringe after pulling the test out of the vial. The reasoning behind this seems to be that pushing the needle into the vial will technically blunt it, and could make an injection more painful going in. I suppose you could also do it to ensure that the needle didn't collect any sort of dirt or debris while going in or coming out of the vial/stopper (should be sterile, though).

    I'm using a 1" 25g needle, and I don't currently have replacement needles to put on the syringes. If it's considered to be a very important thing I'm more than willing to order them, but I just wanted to see what people in here thought.

    This is for Test E, by the way.
    Its a matter of preference. I change mine because they are so deep and there is actually a noticable difference as far as how smooth it goes in. However, if you are not having any trouble doing the injections with the same needle then you are good to go. Definitley keep wiping the vial and injection site as already stated. Good luck with your cycle!
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    I'd buy more needles why risk your health by increasing the chance of passing germs by reusing.at least thats how i look at it.

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    Originally Posted by mich29
    I'd buy more needles why risk your health by increasing the chance of passing germs by reusing.at least thats how i look at it.
    He's not reusing needles. He is discarding them after each use. He was referring to using the same needle to draw the test out and inject with. Which is normal practice in most situations in any clinic or hospital setting.
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    I use 20 gauge to pull and 25 to pin. The reason I change is so it's easier to pull and also because it's how I was taught.
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    Be on the safe side. Just switch pins for everything you do.

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    Originally Posted by ReyMan View Post
    I use 20 gauge to pull and 25 to pin. The reason I change is so it's easier to pull and also because it's how I was taught.
    I do the same thing, with the big 20gauge you can draw it out alot quicker. Then with the 25 it's pain free

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    Originally Posted by ReyMan View Post
    I use 20 gauge to pull and 25 to pin. The reason I change is so it's easier to pull and also because it's how I was taught.
    I buy syringes with 21s attached, and then switch off for a 23 or 25 depending on where i'm injecting
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    I pull into a 25g, 10cc pin and backload from there. It saves time and you can load up for weeks.
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    Originally Posted by Rodja
    I pull into a 25g, 10cc pin and backload from there. It saves time and you can load up for weeks.
    Is a 22G that's 3/4" long ok for a quad or glute pin? I know most use at least 1"...
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    Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    Is a 22G that's 3/4" long ok for a quad or glute pin? I know most use at least 1"...
    It'll be absorbed even if it is in adipose tissue, but it'll take longer to disperse.
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    So this will sound a bit strange, but call me a sucker for wanting to get all of the product. If you draw out with a needle until you hit the right mark (let's say 1cc) and then take the needle off, wouldn't there still be some of the product (test e in this case) in the needle? Might not be an extraordinary amount, but if it was a steady stream going in, it seems logical that some of the test would still be in the needle, waiting to be transported into the syringe. The larger and the longer the needle, the more test e would still be stored within. For those of you who switch - would you technically draw past the 1cc point (draw some air into the syringe) to make sure all of the test is in there, replace the needle, and then push the air out?

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    Do most of you replace needles in between pulling and injecting? YES.


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    Originally Posted by GreenEarth View Post
    So this will sound a bit strange, but call me a sucker for wanting to get all of the product. If you draw out with a needle until you hit the right mark (let's say 1cc) and then take the needle off, wouldn't there still be some of the product (test e in this case) in the needle? Might not be an extraordinary amount, but if it was a steady stream going in, it seems logical that some of the test would still be in the needle, waiting to be transported into the syringe. The larger and the longer the needle, the more test e would still be stored within. For those of you who switch - would you technically draw past the 1cc point (draw some air into the syringe) to make sure all of the test is in there, replace the needle, and then push the air out?

    You are overthinking it. No. Some of it gets wasted. When the syringe says "1mL" of stuff then it's still 1mL of stuff when you unscrew the needle. What you are really trying to say is that there is always slightly more total test in the needle/syringe than what the syringe alone reads due to a little extra found in the needle. So instead of 1mL, you might actually have 1.1mL of suspension.

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    Originally Posted by GreenEarth
    So this will sound a bit strange, but call me a sucker for wanting to get all of the product. If you draw out with a needle until you hit the right mark (let's say 1cc) and then take the needle off, wouldn't there still be some of the product (test e in this case) in the needle? Might not be an extraordinary amount, but if it was a steady stream going in, it seems logical that some of the test would still be in the needle, waiting to be transported into the syringe. The larger and the longer the needle, the more test e would still be stored within. For those of you who switch - would you technically draw past the 1cc point (draw some air into the syringe) to make sure all of the test is in there, replace the needle, and then push the air out?
    Yes to your question...draw up a fraction past 1cc, remove the pin and draw back about 0.5cc of air. Replace the needle, flick for air bubbles and pin =) I have never ran aas before but I am on my to being a veterinarian so I am doing all sorts of injections everyday. The reason for replacing the needle is not too geared towards the dullness, newer views of medicine lead us to change needles because the top of that vial is NOT sterile. Once the needle comes into contact with the vial (top of the vial) sterility has been breached. I've seen dogs contract flesh eating bacteria (strep throat for us) by lazy practice and not changing needles.
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    I use a 25ga by 5/8" to draw and inject into delts without changing out. Never had a problem.

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    Originally Posted by fueledpassion

    You are overthinking it. No. Some of it gets wasted. When the syringe says "1mL" of stuff then it's still 1mL of stuff when you unscrew the needle. What you are really trying to say is that there is always slightly more total test in the needle/syringe than what the syringe alone reads due to a little extra found in the needle. So instead of 1mL, you might actually have 1.1mL of suspension.
    My post wasn't to argue this...he is over thinking it...I shouod stated that the reason for pulling back a little more is for potential air bubbbles you will flick out.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.

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    Originally Posted by bpmartyr
    I use a 25ga by 5/8" to draw and inject into delts without changing out. Never had a problem.
    How are delt inj? I could get those needles too...
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.

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    22x1.5 in my arse...... Never changed needles between. I guess I'm used to it cause my brother swears it kills his ass

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