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    TEST-E/EQ/MAST-E/PHERA - The ultimate bulk for a little guy


    Alright guys. It's time to put on my "winter coat".

    Aiming for 15-20lbs of mass.

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    25yrs old, 5'4", 153lbs @ 12.5% BF. Lifting for 4 years steady.

    Goals:

    15-20lbs total mass; 10-12lbs lean
    1075lbs total in bench, squat and dead-lift combined (last max was 990lbs - 290 bench, 345 squat, 355 deads)

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    Ancillaries will be taken throughout the duration of cycle and as follows:

    Hawthorne Berry ~ 2.5g daily
    NOW Adam Multi ~ 2/day
    Heart Help (in PCT)

    Initial cycle pics will go up next week sometime.

    What info you can find in this thread:
    1. Before and after cycle pics, feedback and summary
    2. Whether Toco-8 works as an LH stimulant on cycle w/ blood work to support claims
    3. Dexa Scan info and a break down of my LBM, BFM and BM measurements
    4. Cycle feedback from me as well as others on the board


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    personally, I wouldnt even notice eq and mast at such a low dose, so I would recommend you increase the mast to at least 400mg and/or the eq to 600mg....besides tat I like it, phera is one of my favourite orals.
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    Masteron is there for hardness and AI characteristics. Also kinda testing the waters with it. So you would notice EQ @ 600mg/week but not 500mg/week? How do you figure that? Besides, I'm a solid 65lbs lighter than you. If 600mg/week were your sweet spot, I'd imagine I could see similar effects at 400mg/week. Don't you agree?

    In addition, I should also mention that the point behind having 500mg of EQ in the mix is NOT because I think it'd more effective at mass building than test @ 1000mg/week.

    Reasoning for EQ:

    1) The appetite stimulation
    2) Less estrogen conversion than opting for 750+mg of test per week
    3) Quality gains (or so I read about it) - I'm looking for gains that stick at least until summer time.
    4) It's a good hardening and vascularity enhancer - helps my self-esteem as I get "thicker"
    5) It's cheaper per mg than other possibilities like Tren and Masteron
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Masteron is there for hardness and AI characteristics. Also kinda testing the waters with it. So you would notice EQ @ 600mg/week but not 500mg/week? How do you figure that? Besides, I'm a solid 65lbs lighter than you. If 600mg/week were your sweet spot, I'd imagine I could see similar effects at 400mg/week. Don't you agree?

    In addition, I should also mention that the point behind having 500mg of EQ in the mix is NOT because I think it'd more effective at mass building than test @ 1000mg/week.

    Reasoning for EQ:

    1) The appetite stimulation
    2) Less estrogen conversion than opting for 750+mg of test per week
    3) Quality gains (or so I read about it) - I'm looking for gains that stick at least until summer time.
    4) It's a good hardening and vascularity enhancer - helps my self-esteem as I get "thicker"
    5) It's cheaper per mg than other possibilities like Tren and Masteron
    I gathered you were running the mast for that purpose but I still wouldnt notice much ant-e characteristics from it at only 200mg a week... it is a week compound. If you are only running it to test the waters then fair enough I suppose...

    As for the eq, I said at least 600mg a week....personally the last two times I ran it I ran it at a gram and it was pretty good(ran it three times). And even then it was very mild, only ran it cos I got a good deal on it. If I was to guess my "sweet spot for eq", it would be well over a gram I think, had no sides whatsoever at a gram and mild gains. Would be pointless though because because I couldn't justify the price at that dose. One thing you have got right though about the eq is that personally I see it as one of the best meds to get a "thciker look" on, I get scary vascular on it I looked like a ****ing freak I loved it haha.. it dose take ages to kick in though. especially at 500mg a week, you'll probably only be starting to feel it in the latter half of your cycle...

    one more recommendation (again, this is only something I would do myself), if you are even relatively estrogen-sensitive, you should at least have an ai on hand. not so much for the test and eq, but hcg skyrocketed my e2 levels when I added it into my trt regimen without adding any additional ai's.

    hope this helps
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    Well sure it helps! I appreciate it bud. To answer the question, I do have AI's on hand. I have Formestane, Exemestane and Triazole (a sort of variation of Letro). They all work pretty well for me too. If I bought one more bottle of EQ I could run 650mg/week. I might try this
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Well sure it helps! I appreciate it bud. To answer the question, I do have AI's on hand. I have Formestane, Exemestane and Triazole (a sort of variation of Letro). They all work pretty well for me too. If I bought one more bottle of EQ I could run 650mg/week. I might try this
    if you can afford it then why not? eq is so mild on sides I have never heard of anyone having problems with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    if you can afford it then why not? eq is so mild on sides I have never heard of anyone having problems with it
    You're a bad influence I guess I'll purchase two more bottles and run 800mg, but I'll taper up after week 5 to that dose. So basically I'll be running EQ for 14 weeks which is probably necessary anyways. 500mg for 5 weeks, 800mg for 9 weeks.
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    im running eq right now at 500 and im debating if i should get more and run it at close to a gram. how would that go though? i mean, eq is very close to test, so you would run very little test correct? like 250mg?...because they fight to use the same receptors, yes?
    if i ran the eq at lets say 800mg/week, should i even be thinking about tren acetate? i love the product, but it might be useless if i already have all this eq (and some test) fighting for the same receptors.
    any help on this?
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    Well I'm runnin both at 500+

    If I'm satisfied at where my gains, strength pumps etc are going after week 5 then I may just call it good and leave it at 500. Besides, I'm taking Phera in the mix so I plan to have big gains anyways whether the two hormones compete or not. I'll tell u what tho, it makes me wonder if I should pin EQ on different days from the test and mast
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    im running eq right now at 500 and im debating if i should get more and run it at close to a gram. how would that go though? i mean, eq is very close to test, so you would run very little test correct? like 250mg?...because they fight to use the same receptors, yes?
    if i ran the eq at lets say 800mg/week, should i even be thinking about tren acetate? i love the product, but it might be useless if i already have all this eq (and some test) fighting for the same receptors.
    any help on this?
    mate I really wouldnt worry about the drugs "fighting" for the same receptors... it depends on your goals really, if you want more mass, add more test. 250mg test and 800mg of eq would still be a relatively mild cycle, imo, especially compared to the outline of the last cycle test/tren mdrol cycle you posted a while back iirc
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Well I'm runnin both at 500+

    If I'm satisfied at where my gains, strength pumps etc are going after week 5 then I may just call it good and leave it at 500. Besides, I'm taking Phera in the mix so I plan to have big gains anyways whether the two hormones compete or not. I'll tell u what tho, it makes me wonder if I should pin EQ on different days from the test and mast
    seeing of how the half life of boldenone undecylenate (I'm guessing that's the ester you are using because all other eq esters are very rare, like bold ace for example) is roughly 10 days that would make no sense at all..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    seeing of how the half life of boldenone undecylenate (I'm guessing that's the ester you are using because all other eq esters are very rare, like bold ace for example) is roughly 10 days that would make no sense at all..
    Perhaps you are correct. Honestly, I never expected EQ to be a game changer in this cycle. I'm banking on the 12 weeks of 500mg Test to do the growing. Like I said, EQ is there to accent the test-e and Phera. Let's hope it lives up to 3 things for sure which is 1) make me a hungry hippo, 2) give superb pumps and vascularity and 3) contribute to muscle hardness

    I'm leaving the stout cycle for my shorter 10 week cutting cycle in the summer to prepare for some shows. At that point I will have Test-Prop, Tren-E and Mast-E. In that cycle I'll do 300/300/400 per week of each. And the next one afterwards I will transition to just Test and Mast most likely and run the two at 500+ each from that point on. I don't want to make orals and Tren a habit since neither have any healthy characteristics about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Perhaps you are correct. Honestly, I never expected EQ to be a game changer in this cycle. I'm banking on the 12 weeks of 500mg Test to do the growing. Like I said, EQ is there to accent the test-e and Phera. Let's hope it lives up to 3 things for sure which is 1) make me a hungry hippo, 2) give superb pumps and vascularity and 3) contribute to muscle hardness

    I'm leaving the stout cycle for my shorter 10 week cutting cycle in the summer to prepare for some shows. At that point I will have Test-Prop, Tren-E and Mast-E. In that cycle I'll do 300/300/400 per week of each. And the next one afterwards I will transition to just Test and Mast most likely and run the two at 500+ each from that point on. I don't want to make orals and Tren a habit since neither have any healthy characteristics about them.
    haha I am the exact opposite, I practically base all my cycles on tren and orals lol

    anyways yeah, the half life of eq is long as **** and therefore it does take ages to kick in... another idea would be to frontload the eq, double the doseage for the first two weeks only. It should kick in a lot quicker that way.
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    id run it all 16 weeks.

    masteron prop at the last 8-10 weeks.

    forget trip, useless.

    hCG is fine id do it week 8-10 and then again 15-17 (if you increase your cycle length)

    Id also run a taper of hormones at the end. i know there is much debate at this but it really eases you into PCT.

    forget cycle assist, just use hawthorn udcA and olive leaf extract.

    i would do PCT 6 weeks and id definetly run higher doses of the serm. id do 100mg for 3 weeks, then 75,50,25.

    DAA do what you want with, im neither for or against it. same with triazole or whatever your have, but i would NOT let the AI run past the SERM ever. (unless aromasin and its solo on its own at some point in time, different discussion, different day)

    id run the form during your cycle, and i wouldnt rely on masteron especially at that dose to help too too much with your aromatase.

    EQ at 600mg is good.
    masteron at 400-600 is good.

    test would be better at 750 but shouldnt be needed with the other compounds.

    Id kick everything off with phera, and when thats done hit up the masteron.

    phera is very good at high doses like 60mg (trust me. i went up to about 80mg with it, ****ing awesome).

    oh and all you need for test and EQ is to shoot 1x a week and the mast prop 3x a week
    people say steady blood levels blah blah, but if you do it 1x a week thats what you acheive if you dose before halflife you create peaks and valleys. so **** it, long esters 1x a week short esters (npp 2x, prop2x) as much as you need.

    i like your choice of aromasin on hand, however........... i like it in PCT better then the OTC ****. that being said all you need for aromasin in PCT (if doing 6 weeks which you should), is 12.5mg ed for 14 days. in the middle of SERM therapy. (can be longer, play it out on how your libido works, stop when libido peaks and run the serm for 5-7 days after cessation)
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    EQ doesnt raise hunger. that i can tell you from experience.
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    Well, it has to stay with Mast-E. I don't think my supplier carries prop anymore, but he might be able to make it for me. Regardless, I already have a bottle of Mast-E so I'll just get another one I guess. And for the test and EQ I will most likely buy another bottle of each and extend the cycle to 14 weeks total for both. But honestly, I have to draw the line somewhere since money is rather tight and this cycle is working up to be $400+ which is alot of money to invest given my current financial situation.

    I'd consider 60mg of Phera, but no more. I agree it is really awesome and when I ran it at 30mg for 4 weeks it gave me 8lbs of mass w/ a 2000 calorie diet which isn't hardly enough to put on good mass. Anyways, the only thing for sure at this point as far as changes could go is to add another bottle of Mast-E in the picture to put it at 400mg for 10 weeks of use. I'll continue to shoot it up with the others twice a week using 250mg test-e, 250mg EQ, and 200mg Mast-E most likely Monday and Thursday scheduling.

    And for the Trip, it isn't useless. It just may not be necessary. I'm probably one of the only members on this board that has first hand experience with it and actually had blood work done before and after. Haven't you seen my log regarding the results? As far as I can tell it is a good blasting hormone for the first few days. I shouldn't need it.

    And finally, the schematics for my PCT is very precise and based on 7 different PCT experiences of my own. I don't have rebound - ever. I also don't bloat too terribly when my diet stays clean. And I also have never had gyno. The list of substances I have used consist of:

    Test
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    Phera
    Bold
    Tren-X
    Trenazone
    H-Drol
    Epistane

    Formestane
    Nolva
    Clomid
    Exemestane
    DAA
    Toco-8
    Sustain Alpha...and the list goes on..


    I usually extend my PCT a little longer than 4 weeks unlike most because I honestly dont bounce back as quick as I'd like. So I extend it a little longer to make sure T-levels have come back to normal levels before coming off of everything. Anyways, I highly doubt Form @ 100mg would hurt to run solo for a few weeks. It doesn't cause rebound because it's suicidal, unlike Letro and that Erase stuff.
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    if yoou didnt want advice on the trip, then dont ask. it didnt look like it worked well enough for me to use, ever.

    my pct experiences are on less cycles, but blast cruise durations. works very well.

    if they are all long ester save your time and shoot all in one day, stable blood levels, no peaks and valleys.

    even still start masteron after phera.
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    imo, scrap the eq, use ghrp for hunger (you shouldnt need anything, just stuff your face)

    use aromasin for on cycle estro control and in pct

    more phera
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    imo, scrap the eq, use ghrp for hunger (you shouldnt need anything, just stuff your face)

    use aromasin for on cycle estro control and in pct

    more phera

    Well, more Phera is for sure. I'm gonna keep the EQ because I've already got it and will have invested too much not to use it. I'd planned on extending the cycle to 14 weeks at 500+ per week of both Test and EQ and 12 weeks of Mast @ 400mg per week. I'll bump Phera to 50mg for 4 weeks straight and right at first. I'll start Mast on week 3 making everything end at week 14. I'll update the spreadsheet tonight.
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    Subbed in to read later. More injects coming up in here lately. I like it.
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    Subbed for the ride bro! I'll be keen to see how this works out for you as my next cycle is very similar!
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    Updated. (Observe in 1st post)

    Mast-E dosage increased
    Phera dosage increased
    SD added
    Test & EQ extended 2 weeks
    Exeme added to PCT
    Form removed from PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Updated. (Observe in 1st post)

    Mast-E dosage increased
    Phera dosage increased
    SD added
    Test & EQ extended 2 weeks
    Exeme added to PCT
    Form removed from PCT
    yeahhhh budgiieee

    now we're talking
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    Updated. (Observe in 1st post)

    Mast-E dosage increased
    Phera dosage increased
    SD added
    Test & EQ extended 2 weeks
    Exeme added to PCT
    Form removed from PCT
    Awww sh*t, get ready for some hulk type sh*t to happen bro!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Awww sh*t, get ready for some hulk type sh*t to happen bro!
    Haha, yeah I started tonight. I did all 1000mg of Test and EQ (together). Took 20mg Phera tonight. Will take 50mg of Phera tomorrow and go from there. Let the games begin...
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    Here is my chest routine. Since my chest is a weak point I had to choose carefully how I was going to perform this routine for the next 6 months. I've been reading Arnold's Encyclopedia and I'm building my workouts based on the knowledge I am getting from it. I still have legs, back, shoulders and arms to figure out. Until I have those figured out, I'll just do a German Volume Training. Speaking of which - I did legs today and for the first time threw up after training. Intensity was rather high, lol.

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    Ok here are my pics from last night. I had just a slight pump remaining from the chest routine.

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    I don't know what % BF I'm at now but I'd guess 10-11%. Hopefully, I can put on all this weight and drop to about 9% BF total.
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    I'm in on this, gonna keep progress on you here. Interesting to see what u end up thinking about EQ/bold
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    You have a great base to start with, you're gonna be massive with your frame and everythin your cycle has got going! Time to kill the iron!
    Thanks man I appreciate it! I hope to be well on my way to some success in bodybuilding after a few more years of training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion
    Ok here are my pics from last night. I had just a slight pump remaining from the chest routine.

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=50 242"/><img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=50 243"/><img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=50 244"/>

    I don't know what % BF I'm at now but I'd guess 10-11%. Hopefully, I can put on all this weight and drop to about 9% BF total.
    That's a pretty sweet kitchen!!! The pics, ehh, they could use some work .

    Just joking man looking good. You should kill this cycle.
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    ok guys, I'm contemplating a few things here. I have already decided to extend the cycle to 14 weeks no matter what. However, which compound should I increase? I can only increase one. So here are my options..

    increase Test to 800mg or more
    increase EQ to 800mg or more
    increase Mast to 800mg or more...

    I have no idea as to which one would be most beneficial. I'm trying to avoid sides, too since this is my fun cycle. The discomforting cycle is my cutter which has loads of prop and tren involved...

    Thoughts please..
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    Hmmm i'd say increasing the mast would b nice, you'd have a harder look. That's just my .02 cents bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Hmmm i'd say increasing the mast would b nice, you'd have a harder look. That's just my .02 cents bro.
    Thing is, it was my research of the Masteron last night that got me thinking I should bump something up to a higher dose. I was at first going to make it the EQ, but now I'm having second thoughts. I researched that Mast, if taken high enough, can be a decent anabolic agent along with contributing to superb muscle hardness and fat burning. The argument there was that Mast isn't ever regarded as a strong muscle builder because of two things:

    1) On paper it's anabolic to androgenic ratio is significantly lower than test so it seems weak
    2) Most people never venture past 300-400mg/week and with the exception being Tren, everything is rather mild at that dose!

    Here is a thread where Test and Mast are this fellas staples to slow, steady muscle building: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/bodyb...eks-until.html

    And here is the web page that suggested much higher doses of Masteron: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid...s/masteron.htm
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    Bro I say go for it, increasing the mast could make could make the cycle a lot sweeter. Like u said it could provide drier gains with some hardening and increase your chances of burning fat. Increasing the test could just b overkill and you'd have to worry about more aromatization, and as far as EQ I don't see a point in increasing that either.
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    +3lbs so far. Phera has started to kick in as of day 10 or so. Hopefully I can put on another 5lbs with the kickstart within the next 2 weeks. Pumps are good. As usual, I'm amazed at the sudden physiological changes that occur while on Phera! I measured my chest after a chest/back routine and hit 42inches, which is as big as I was at 165lbs, yet I'm only at 155lbs right now. Hopefully I can get the chest measurement up to 44" with a 30-31" waist line. That could produce a decent enough "V" shape for the novice bracket comps this coming summer.

    Legs are currently @ 22.5" and close to 23" on a pump. I want these to be @ 24" cold before showtime since getting a pump is a no no on legs just before a show. Everything is coasting along well. I took my Mast-e for the first time today. 1mL (200mg) in the right delt. Friday I will hit the left delt with another mL.

    My fiance trained with me yesterday on shoulder and tri's. She did well and impressed me actually. She pushes herself far beyond a typical woman it seems. I don't know if she is trying to impress me or she just really wants to be stronger and leaner but either way I like it! She will make a decent workout partner right off the bat! In time, she will be my crutch for getting the training done...

    I have 2 routines for every muscle group per week. Last night's shoulder routine looked like this:

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    -Close-grip BB Bench 3 x 10
    -DB Extensions 3 x 10

    -Close-grip BB Drop set to failure on each weight setting, 175lbs, 155lbs, 135lbs.
    -DB Extensions 1 X 29 ( To failure) w/ 75lb DB
    -One-arm rope press-downs 4 X 10
    -Rope Press-downs 1 set to failure w/ moderate weight

    Shoulders

    -BB Military Press 4 x 8
    -SM Military's 2 x 12
    -Rear Delt Cable Extension 4 x 10
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    Interesting to see the phera making a difference.
    I always thought eq/bold needs to be pretty high for it to make a noticeable difference in time. Like minimum 600mg per week.
    How high u thinking of running the mast?
    Keep up the updates bro, very interesting lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7ten11 View Post
    Interesting to see the phera making a difference.
    I always thought eq/bold needs to be pretty high for it to make a noticeable difference in time. Like minimum 600mg per week.
    How high u thinking of running the mast?
    Keep up the updates bro, very interesting lol.
    Well, I dunno. I figure the EQ is fine @ 500 for now. My source advised to keep Masteron at 400mg/week. So I may bump the EQ to 700 or 800mg/week ahout half way thru...
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