First injectable cycle- Test enth,anavar,hcg and adex

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    First injectable cycle- Test enth,anavar,hcg and adex


    hey guys this is my first injectable cycle
    i have experience with superdrol and epistane
    i usually have a very clean deal consisting of around 5000 cals a day an d my body weigh tin protein
    my cycle as is

    Test Enthanate 600 mg/week-- 300 mg twice a week
    arimidex-.5mg eod
    Hcg- 100iu every day starting 7 days after first shot of test to last shot of test
    anavar 60mg every day for first month of cycle until test kicks in

    pct
    Nolva week1/40 mg week2/40mg week3/30mg week 4/20mg


    can i get your guys input???
    i have done alot of research and this is the best cycle i have put together for an beginner injectable cycle

    thanks

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    Looks good, u seem to have done your research & have come up with a pretty decent cycle.
    Most guys might say its a bit high doses for first cycle. But I think 600mg is pretty good.

    You've got your AI covered, hcg & pct.

    Personally I would run Proviron in place of Adex, but that's personal choice.

    Looks good, good luck
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    add a low dose AI & t booster to your pct.


    everything else is GTG
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    should be a great cycle, be aware its hard to go back after a REAL cycle. i assume 12 weeks? you didnt say...

    i like to ask people about their HCG because sometimes they over look the shelf life of what they have. once you mix the hcg into you BAC, you have roughly 30days until it starts to lose potency. not to say its not good but it will be less effective. maybe you know this maybe not. so how many vials do you have and at what iu's. hopefully you have at least 2 separate vials.

    i would recommend starting hcg on week 4, IMO theres no need for it until then. also 100iu ED is a little higher than normal practice, but to each his own. 250iu twice a week is a "normal" hcg protocol to follow, plus you can just do them after your test pins. so if you have 2000iu vials, you can mix one and use it for weeks 5-8 and use the other one weeks 9-12. this is still assuming you have 2 vials. last thing, is to make sure you know your supposed to keep it refridgerated??

    good luck, you should log this. its a good example of a beginning cycle with proper support.
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    Looks good bud, my only question is why fluctuate your nolva dose like that?
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    thanks for the input guys

    7ten11 why would u prefer prviron over arimidex??

    and str8trmuscle thanks for the info i didnt not know hcg had such a short life! i have a 5000iu vial and to respond to your hcg protocol i read an interesting article on it you might like to read.. here it is
    HCG - Unraveled

    By Eric M. Potratz (Email)

    Eric M. Potratz has developed his education in the field of endocrinology and performance enhancement through years of research, counseling, and real world experience. Over the past five years he has been a private consultant for hundreds of athletes and bodybuilders alike, and is the founder & president of Primordial Performance.

    PCT is a must upon cessation of steroid use. Many great PCT protocols have been outlined over the years, and many individuals have had success with following such protocols. Nevertheless, what works can always work better, and I intend to show you the most effective way to recover from AAS. This is especially the case for those that have had a lack of success following popular advice. In this article I will address the misunderstanding and misuse of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) and show you the most efficient way to use hCG for the fastest and most complete recovery.

    HCG unraveled –

    Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH is the hormone that stimulates the testes to produce testosterone. (1) More specifically LH is the primary signal sent from the pituitary to the testes, which stimulates the leydig cells within the testes to produce testosterone.

    When steroids are administered, LH levels rapidly decline. The absence of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone, which causes rapid onset of testicular degeneration. The testicular degeneration begins with a reduction of leydig cell volume, and is then followed by rapid reductions in intra-testicular testosterone (ITT), peroxisomes, and Insulin-like factor 3 (INSL3) – All important bio-markers and factors for proper testicular function and testosterone production. (2-6,19) However, this degeneration can be prevented by a small maintenance dose of hCG ran throughout the cycle. Unfortunately, most steroid users have been engrained to believe that hCG should be used after a cycle, during PCT. Upon reviewing the science and basic endocrinology you will see that a faster and more complete recovery is possible if hCG is ran during a cycle.

    Firstly, we must understand the clinical history of hCG to understand its purpose and its most efficient application. Many popular “steroid profiles” advocate using hCG at a dose of 2500-5000iu once or twice a week. These were the kind of dosages used in the historical (1960’s) hCG studies for hypogonadal men who had reduced testicular sensitivity due to prolonged LH deficiency. (21,22) A prolonged LH deficiency causes the testes to desensitize, requiring a higher hCG dose for ample stimulation. In men with normal LH levels and normal testicular sensitivity, the maximum increase of testosterone is seen from a dose of only 250iu, with minimal increases obtained from 500iu or even 5000iu. (2,11) (It appears the testes maximum secretion of testosterone is about 140% above their normal capacity.) (12-18) If you have allowed your testes to desensitize over the length of a typical steroid cycle, (8-16 weeks) then you would require a higher dose to elicit a response in an attempt to restore normal testicular size and function – but there is cost to this, and a high probability that you won’t regain full testicular function.

    One term that is critical to understand is testosterone secretion capacity which is synonymous to testicular sensitivity. This is the amount of testosterone your testes can produce from any given LH or hCG stimulation. Therefore, if you have reduced testosterone secretion capacity (reduced testicular sensitivity), it will take more LH or hCG stimulation to produce the same result as if you had normal testosterone secretion capacity. If you reduce your testosterone secretion capacity too much, then no amount of LH or hCG stimulation will trigger normal testosterone production – and this leads to permanently reduced testosterone production.

    To get an idea of how quickly you can reduce your testosterone secretion capacity from your average steroid cycle, consider this: LH levels are rapidly decreased by the 2nd day of steroid administration. (2,9,10) By shutting down the LH signal and allowing the testis to be non-functional over a 12-16 week period, leydig cell volume decreases 90%, ITT decreases 94%, INSL3 decreases 95%, while the capacity to secrete testosterone decreases as much as 98%. (2-6) Note: visually analyzing testes size is a poor method of judging your actual testicular function, since testicular size is not directly related to the ability to secrete testosterone. (4) This is because the leydig cells, which are the primary sites of testosterone secretion, only make up about 10% of the total testicular volume. Therefore, when the testes may only appear 5-10% smaller, the testes ability to secrete testosterone upon LH or hCG stimulation can actually be significantly reduced to 98% of their normal production. (3-5) The point here is to not judge testosterone secretion capacity by testicular size.



    The decreased testosterone secretion capacity caused by steroid use was well demonstrated in a study on power athletes who used steroids for 16 weeks, and were then administered 4500iu hCG post cycle. It was found that the steroid users were about 20 times less responsive to hCG, when compared to normal men who did not use steroids. (8) In other words, their testosterone secretion capacity was dramatically reduced because they did not receive an LH signal for 16 weeks. The testes essentially became desensitized and crippled. Case studies with steroid using patients show that aggressive long-term treatment with hCG at dosages as high as 10,000iu E3D for 12 weeks were unable to return full testicular size. (7) Another study with men using low dose steroids for 6 weeks showed unsuccessful return of Insulin-like factor-3 (INSL3) concentration in the testes upon 5000iu/wk of HCG treatment for 12 weeks (6) (INSL3 is an important biomarker for testosterone production potential and sperm production. 20)

    These studies show that postponing hCG usage until the end of a steroid cycle increases your need for a higher dose of hCG, and decreases your odds of a full recovery. As a consequence to using a higher dose of hCG at the end of a cycle, estrogen will be increased disproportionately to testosterone, which then causes further HPTA suppression (from high estrogen) while increasing the risk of gyno. (11) For example, high doses of hCG have been found to raise estradiol up to 165%, while only raising testosterone 140%. (11) Higher doses of hCG are also known to reduce LH receptor concentration and degrade the enzymes responsible for testosterone synthesis within the testes (12,13,19 ) -- the last thing someone wants during recovery. While these negative effects of hCG can be partly mitigated by the use of a SERM such as tamoxifen, it will create further problems associated with using a toxic SERM (covered in another article).

    In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle.

    Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. (2) It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used)

    A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a twice a week shot of 200iu hCG, or possibly a once a week shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion. If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG ‘kick starting’ dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence, since the testes will be desensitized, thus requiring a higher dose. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose)

    Note: If following the on cycle hCG protocol, hCG should NOT be used for PCT.

    Recap –

    For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.

    In conclusion, we have learned that utilizing hCG during a steroid cycle will significantly prevent testicular degeneration. This helps create a seamless transition from “on cycle” to “off cycle” thus avoiding the post cycle crash.




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    Because from what I've heard & tried myself is that not only does proviron act as a mild AI while on test, it also helps free up bound test In your system for more muscle.
    It also helps with libido if running other compounds.
    That's just my view
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    Quote Originally Posted by Srt4Muscle View Post
    should be a great cycle, be aware its hard to go back after a REAL cycle. i assume 12 weeks? you didnt say...

    i like to ask people about their HCG because sometimes they over look the shelf life of what they have. once you mix the hcg into you BAC, you have roughly 30days until it starts to lose potency. not to say its not good but it will be less effective. maybe you know this maybe not. so how many vials do you have and at what iu's. hopefully you have at least 2 separate vials.

    i would recommend starting hcg on week 4, IMO theres no need for it until then. also 100iu ED is a little higher than normal practice, but to each his own. 250iu twice a week is a "normal" hcg protocol to follow, plus you can just do them after your test pins. so if you have 2000iu vials, you can mix one and use it for weeks 5-8 and use the other one weeks 9-12. this is still assuming you have 2 vials. last thing, is to make sure you know your supposed to keep it refridgerated??

    good luck, you should log this. its a good example of a beginning cycle with proper support.
    I agree with HCG comments. I usually wouldn't recommend considering HCG until week 3 or 4 or the cycle. A few others things I'd add on top of this posters comments:

    1) Add DAA to your PCT. Nolva is good, but even better when combined with a t-booster that does indeed work and is cheap.

    2) Personally, I'd drop the Anavar. The results are going to be minimal since it's 60mg, and the stuff costs a fortune. I'd save it later for a cutting cycle where it's use is more valuable...call me crazy but I like to be efficient. A lean management education would tell me to pick another day to use that Anavar. Perhaps D-bol to kick start? You might be surprised at how much fun you could have with 25mg D-Bol ED for first 3-4 weeks..

    3) And finally, good luck! If you decide to pin in the quads at all - I recommend pinning higher up and slightly outward in the thigh. Not too high up, but about 2 inches up central to the thigh area. If I were to illustrate my leg in a graphical expression, I'd say pin it in the "fourth quadrant", which is the least painful experience in the legs. To give reference, the third quadrant would be the inner thigh, next to the groin area.
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    And by the way, regarding that long post talking about hCG, he is correct. However, there is a GNRH that brings back FULL TESTICULAR SIZE in about 1 day flat, however 4 days after administration it will need Clomid/Nolva therapy to maintain it. It's called Triptorelin. It works for kickstarting very well. But needs collaboration with other PCT ancillaries to make it work properly. You can look into my thread where I had blood tests taken before and after Trip administration, I have all the necessary documents showing such. Just a thought.
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    good read, sticky material...pretty much the protocol i recommend i believe

    everyone has their favorite compounds, i use adex and it works great but ive never used proviron. just fyi...lol had it in my shopping cart once though hahaha

    i agree with the dbol kickstart, great option and way cheaper. even a PH kickstart...SD or non methyl? also im gonna try daa in my up coming pct so i cant vouch for it yet but its in my currently planned pct.

    your getting great traffic here, solid information, best i seen on this forum!!!
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    fueled passion why would u use daa? i assume u mean d-aspartic acid, i have read that this stuff is not very good as you have to take about 3000mg to boost your test and it only boosts it about 33%. i think i will change the anavar to sd considering anavar is so expensive and considering i have sd on hand. you guys will probably never believe this but i actually have the original superdol on hand by anabolic extreme.

    apparently i now need two 2500 iu vials of hcg now because it has only a 30 day life once mixed with bac but not my cycle will look like this

    superdrol- week1/10mg week2/10 week3/10 week4/20
    test anthanate 600mg per week at 300mg injected twice a week for 8 weeks
    arimidex .5 mg eod
    hcg injected 7 days after first test injection at 250 iu twice a week

    pct
    nolvadex at 40/40/30/20

    and also thanks for the input on the injection sites i didnt quite know where you mean,i am still undecided where it will be but either in the ass or quad, i am trying to find the most painless spot as i need to be able to move around for my job.
    Ive hear the very first shot is the most painful.
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    yeah should do both sites, honestly i would rotate left to right, ass to quad. or just front to back. it hurts and you get used to it, well kinda lol

    i like the quad because its right in front of you so you can push straight in and pull straight out. no wiggle, but if you have someone do your ass, no homo, its good that way too. you should rotate sides at least and yes you will be tender, i alway run the vial under steaming hot water before i draw out so its much less thick. it helps to draw out and go into the muscle easier. obviously make sure you wipe the vial clean before drawing out after you put it in the hot water. or you can draw out and hold the needle, well the cover to the needle, and run the syringe under the hot water. you can get it really hot cause you body is already hot. good luck
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    3G of DAA = 1/2 teaspoon. So easily could be mixed with a protein shake or you could do like me and take it as a shot with Gatorade or something similar. Anyways, u admitted that it has potential to boost test by as much as 33% and ur still askin me why I recommend it ALONGSIDE Nolva in PCT?

    As for the location that is least painful in the quads: while standing up - bend down and put ur index fingers on ur knees, rake ur fingers 3/4 of the way up ur thighs, move them outward about 1- 2 inches. Thats a painless spot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    3G of DAA = 1/2 teaspoon. So easily could be mixed with a protein shake or you could do like me and take it as a shot with Gatorade or something similar. Anyways, u admitted that it has potential to boost test by as much as 33% and ur still askin me why I recommend it ALONGSIDE Nolva in PCT?

    As for the location that is least painful in the quads: while standing up - bend down and put ur index fingers on ur knees, rake ur fingers 3/4 of the way up ur thighs, move them outward about 1- 2 inches. Thats a painless spot...
    but dont pin while standing up, at least thats not how i learned. you want to be in relaxed muscle... the pins dont hurt when you do it, if your close to a nerve youll know, if you warm it up i promise it will be 100x better. it will hurt 3 days later lol not while your doing it. i just set the needle where i want i on my leg and grab the syringe and push straight down, it really slids in like butter if you push just a drop of oil out where your gonna start so its lubed up.
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    Crap I wasnt tellin him to pin while standing up. That wouldnt be smart. For the sake of understanding where to pin is the reason I said that..

    But, unlike most, I have and use numbing spray since my fiance gets it for me from her office...
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    I knew u didn't mean to do it standing up just thought I would clarify, just in case he didn't know lol
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    Fueled passion clean your inbox, also side note yeah you were right in your MSG, I'll do trip and show bloods
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    so would i start the arimidex on the first injection or when do i start it?
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    Use arimidex as needed. Arimidex could be ok to use if you are experiencing significant bloat or you were training for an upcoming show. Otherwise, no need to put your body through the kind of stress unless its absolutele necessary. Besides, if your diet is clean the water weight wont look so bad anyways.

    My recommendation is to hold off on AI's until you know what your body will do with the test. Just remember that when you put on water weight it doesn't mean you are subject to gyno. Your body will try and keep a ratio between the total testosterone and total estrogen levels. So in essence, if you increase your testosterone by 500%, expect a significant rise in estrogen, too. The estrogen is necessary to have in order to keep a few things going well in your body such as: allowing muscle growth, keeping joints healthy, keeping libido normal and perhaps keeping your emotional rollercoaster stable. But if after about 2 weeks you decide to take it anyways, I'd do an EOD schedule to prevent from killing the estrogen altogether.
  

  
 

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