Test/Tren Cycle : The Road to Shredsville
- 12-11-2011, 09:22 PM
Test/Tren Cycle : The Road to Shredsville
Hey, long time lurker never posted but I thought I'd start out by logging my first BIG cycle.. Feel free to give advice. Start date will begin 1 Jan 2012.
Testosterone Cypionate 250mg/ml
Trenbolone Enanthate 200mg/ml
Testosterone Injections Weeks 1-10
Trenbolone Injections Weeks 1-10 (Possibly stop the Tren earlier to allow for better libido function during PCT)
Nolva/Clomid 60mg/150mg with a 1 day/1st day 80mg/250mg therapeutic bump dose
I'll be doing PCT for 6 weeks.
Acai Balance & Supress
ON's Amino Energy
Diet: Similar to Keto Diet 1500kcals/ed
Lean beef, chicken and fish
Brocolli, Spinach, Lettuce, Salsa, Cauliflower etc.
Strawberries and Apples
Geared towards burning fat
I will be doing reps in the 10-12 range for most exercises.
Weights and then Cables for definition.
I'm trying to get as shredded as possible I really want to reach the single digit body fat level here and if you recommend anything feel free to post on here. I may add in clenbuterol, t-3 and possibly yohimbe. Any recommendations appreciated!
Last edited by AppolloCreed; 12-11-2011 at 09:33 PM. Reason: Added start date\edited diet
- 12-11-2011, 11:24 PM
I'm pretty sure you are not supposed to run nolva with tren.
- 12-11-2011, 11:35 PM
12-12-2011, 01:14 AM
There's so much wrong here that i don't know where to start.
Dosages are off, tren is too long, calories too little, bad PCT, etc
12-12-2011, 07:55 AM
I'm pretty sure it is not the best idea to run nolva after tren
12-12-2011, 11:55 AM
@ucmuscle Nolva was recommended a part of my PCT. Is there something else you would recommend?
@Nuclear Launch I'm open to suggestion on diet. I'm really wanting to bring body fat as low as possible.
@JamesM11 I'm here to learn. Pick a spot & correct me.
12-12-2011, 12:07 PM
12-12-2011, 03:32 PM
@Nuclear Launch I've found a few model diets that I'm going to work with. I asked about the tren & was told "Tren releases prolactin as a by product where as testosterone produces estrogen as in SERM (Selective estrogen receptor modulator)" long & short you should use "cabergoline" for PCT.
12-12-2011, 05:32 PM
The reason you can't use nolva while on tren is due to the fact that tren is a 19nor compound.
12-12-2011, 06:12 PM
12-12-2011, 06:32 PM
Is the Cabergoline what I should be using for PCT?Originally Posted by Lukef2000
12-13-2011, 10:43 AM
now that i got that outa me, idk where to start. the cycle straight up sucks. either extend it or switch to much faster acting esters like prop and acetate.
nolva while on tren is a big mistake.
1500cal lol, my girlfriend is a balerina and she eats 2200cal. lol u should think about this one hard and long.
12-13-2011, 10:55 AM
12-13-2011, 10:57 AM
@GLHF I appreciate the help. How long should I extend the cycle?
12-13-2011, 10:58 AM
@Nuclear Launch Not my first, definitely my biggest. Thanks for the heads up though.
12-13-2011, 03:01 PM
the crash you hit when stopping the AAS isnt as bad if you drop the others a few wks before you enter pct.
12-13-2011, 04:01 PM
@gymrat827 Thanks, I got really good diet advice on another thread. Any other advice/critique you have is much appreciated. I want this to be as safe and productive a cycle as possible.
12-13-2011, 04:54 PM
12-13-2011, 06:32 PM
12-15-2011, 09:01 AM
For sleep take some L-dopa, it will also help with prolactin. But caber may be your best bet against it.
12-15-2011, 09:02 AM
sorry for rambling here....ill come back to this thread later today. work is calling me
12-15-2011, 09:26 AM
Try for this
tes c 1-14 (200mg mon/thur, sun/wed, whatever, just 2x a wk)
400mg a wk
tren e 1-4
150mg a wk
tren e 5-9
350mg a wk
tren a 1-4
150mg a wk (40-50mg EOD)
caber .25mg E3D or E4D (60-70hr half life)
Aromasin 6mg ED (very low dose)
12-15-2011, 10:55 AM
This is exactly the kind if info I needed. I have run tren acetate before and have a full vial I can use a directed. Looks like you saved my cycle & sanity. There was a lot wrong with it. Thanks again for your help.
12-18-2011, 08:27 PM
Do you need to take the nolva on pct?
12-19-2011, 07:56 PM
12-19-2011, 08:37 PM
How can you tell if you should run the nolva pct? A felling?
12-19-2011, 09:04 PM
I have a history of gyno and seem to be very prone. I've had the surgery. So needless to say, I don't F around when it comes to gyno/estrogen. Any time I feel any of the above symptoms, I go to the Letro. I only run Nolva post cycle. Other AIs (Adex, Exemesane etc.) only for estrogen prevention or bloat on-cycle.
12-19-2011, 09:54 PM
I have a chunk around my nip area. Just don't want to go away. Could this be corrected possibly by nolva. I'm sure the real answer is diet, but could some of it be naturally to much estrogen ?
12-19-2011, 10:41 PM
12-20-2011, 10:06 PM
Ya it's just fat. Getting cut up is the hard part. I'm on my first bulk cycle ever. I def lost fat and put on muscle but that last bit won't go. I dont expect it will bulking. I can't wait for the end of my next cycle! I want to be ripped up for next summer. After my 60 days off the juice I think I will bulk again for ten weeks. Go off for 45 days and the cut cycle it. What do you think. I really don't have the answers.
12-20-2011, 10:26 PM
I do like your plan tho
12-21-2011, 11:36 AM
Ya I think it's def my perfectionist ways. There is fat there. Is there a cream or Somthing that helps That spotty area fat? I hope hard work will do it. Def gotten better over time. It's the little pudge beside the chest just under the arm. I'm trying to get my back bigger in hopes that will pull the area tighter as well. I just need to get to my cutting stage and worry more about it then. It's helping me eat cleaner food tho. Lol is it to much to ask to look like Arnold swazinager !
12-21-2011, 01:24 PM
if you look at probodybuilders in the offseason, they have noticeable gyno when they arent super lean, comes with the territory when using hormones in excess. that is why there is a shift to SLIN and peptides now, as the side effects arent as noticeable and wont give you headaches in the offseason................im looking into this GHRP stuff, still reading........but Ill let you know how it goes since its legal.
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