Yaz, that was an outstanding post and i appreitate your input. I personally dont favor test blends either, but i recieved 65 amps of Legit Organon Pakistan at 2 dollars a pop so i couldnt really refuse it. I loved EQ, but how did you combat the anxiety? I mean it was serious, i was running 800 a week along with 1g test, and 400 tren e/ 50mg win ed though as well... so maybee it was a little strong. Now as far as the dianabol, I have ran the dbol at 50-80mg ed with fantastic results, but it made me look very bloated.. regardless i would love to run it again but i simply cannot afford to look this way for professional reasons (cant be too obvious)........ do you believe that the armidex or aromisin would be enough to keep the bloat down? That was the main reason i favored T-Bol and Winstrol, would love to run var but i dont think it would make much of an impact with the other compounds i am running. And last question, you suggested T-Bol after the Dianabol... wouldnt running the weaker anabolic after dimish the gains? Shouldnt you run the weaker first? At least that was my original school of thought. I do see that you are running the wetter compounds first though.I am prtty dead set on the tren, i love it, and get no sides other then night sweats and agression.. but i am open to the thought of a test/eq/tren/dbol/tbol cycle if i can in fact keep the majority of the bloat down. As far as the length, lets face it, it really doesnt matter, i would be fine with running a 12 weeker and have some left over gear, but i dont know how EQ would do in only 12 weeks.
So maybee
(BTW I dont mind the EOD injections, am running liver pro throughout)
Weeks
1-12
Sust 250, EQ 200 EOD,
.5 mg Adex E/D
1-10
Trenoplex 180 EOD
Weeks 1-3
Dianabol 50mg E/D
Weeks 5-8
T-Bol 70mg E/D
Weeks 10-13
Supedrol at 30mg E/D
Weeks 14-20 (I favor longer PCT's)
Nolvadex 60/60/40/40/20/20
Clomid 150/150/100/100/50/50
HCG 1500 iu 2x per week
Weeks 14-16, 18-20
Clenbuterol
20/40/60/80/100/100/120120/100/100/80/60/40/20
What about the SARM?
- Anxiety ? Never heard anything like that about Equipoise from anyone. I'm 99,999% positive that Trenbolone gave you this anxiety. Equipoise is one of the mildest AAS in existence, both paper and real-world use can confirm this statement. But still man 400mg Tren, 1gr Test, 50mg Winstro, that's a lot ....
- As for the Test blends, many people love this so just give to a buddy or just sell it to someone - IMO always.
- 80mg of D-bol ? It's obviously you'll get bloated with this dosage - when it comes to this clean diet, no ridiculus amount of excessive calories, 4-5 times a week moderate pace cardio and moderate-high dose of AIs and you're good to go. If you still after this you think don't want to use this i would suggest simply Epistane at 20-40mg ED.
- Both Anavar and Winstrol are very toxic drugs, so i even without this in your lean bulk plan they will do nothing more than destroy your lipid profile.
- Have you ever heard that T-bol is like D-bol without the water ? It's seems very bro-scientific but it's actually true, a good amount of the gains D-bol produces are gone cuz it's mostly water and some excess glycogen retention, so imagine that T-bol will give the same gains as D-bol that will be kept at the end, mostly dry gains. And if this wasn't the case just being on a Test dose 5-6 times at least your natural production is more than enough for you to keep the gains and even make some few more. In the sample cycle i listed above except D-bol and Test all the other compounds considered "dry" gain-wise.
- I don't have much of knowledge yet when it comes to SARMs, so it would be
irresponsible from my part to advice you on this.
As far as the 2nd cycle you listed:
- I still don't like the dosage, the duration, the synchronization of the compounds and the long and heavy PCT.
- Keep in mind that Equipose is a considerably mild Anabolic and should be run at least(i mean the absolute minimum) at 400mg/week and for at least 12 weeks to see anything more than some hardness and vascularity - it's best dosing is 600-1000mg at 14+ weeks.
- Trenbolone Acetate at 180mg EOD is a lot and i mean a lot.
- To much PCT in every aspect, IMO never exceed 100mg of Clomid ED and 40mg Nolva - especially Nolva which is cytotoxic, has some impact to lipids(triglecyrides mostly) and some hepatotoxicity and duration wise 4-5 weeks. Absolutely never use HCG in PCT, because it simple cancels the whole process literally.
So considering all the above, let me make my suggestions even though i already stated what would be an ideal cycle in my opinion for your purposes:
Example 1:
Weeks 1-12 --> Sustanon 500-600mg/
week
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 75-125mg
EOD
Weeks 1-3/4 --> SD 20-30mg
ED
Weeks 7/9-12 --> T-bol 30-60mg
ED
Weeks 9-12 --> HCG 1500IU/
week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 13-14 --> HCG 3000IU/
week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-14 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg
EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg
ED (maybe 1 extra week depending on the type of Sustanon)
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50
mcg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg
ED OR Pramipexole at 0,15-0,50mg
ED (optional if you use T3)
Example 2:
Weeks 1-12 --> Test E. 500-600mg/
week
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 75-125mg
EOD
Weeks 1-3/4 --> SD 20-30mg
ED
Weeks 7/9-12 --> T-bol 30-60mg
ED
Weeks 9-12 --> HCG 1500IU/
week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 13-14 --> HCG 3000IU/
week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-14 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg
EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg
ED
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50
mcg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg
ED OR Pramipexole at 0,15-0,50mg
ED(optional if you use T3)
Example 3:
Weeks 1-12 --> Test Prop. at 100-125mg
EOD
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 75-125mg
EOD
Weeks 1-3/4 --> SD 20-30mg
ED
Weeks 7/9-12 --> T-bol 30-60mg
ED
Weeks 7-10 --> HCG 1500IU/
week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 11-12 --> HCG 3000IU/
week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-12 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg
EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg
ED
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50
mcg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg
ED OR Pramipexole at 0,15-0,50mg
ED(optional if you use T3)
PCT (of total 4 weeks and no more):
Weeks 1-4 --> Clomid 100| 50 | 50 | 25mg
ED
Weeks 1-4 --> Nolva 40 | 20 | 20 | 10mg
ED
When it comes to PCT let me point some important things about the timing:
1) If you go with Sustanon® 100 (meaning only esters on are Propionate, Phenylpropionate & isocaproate), start PCT 2 weeks after last injection.
2) If you go with Test. E start PCT 2 weeks after last injection.
3) If you go with Prop start 3 days after last injection.
4) If you go with Sustanon® 250 (meaning all the 3 esters of ®100 with the addition of decanoate ester), start PCT 3 weeks after last injection due to 20-21 days half life.
IMHO if i were you 1st choice would be the cycle with the Prop and 2nd with Enanthate.
P.S. 1) Liver/lipid protection is definately recommended, plus some BP if you have issues - can make suggestions.
2) When it comes to Clenbuterol, i don't add it in cuz it's not AAS but if you feel like using it taper up/taper out method, start from a low dose increase it ever 3 days until you reach your optimal and then taper it out exactly - dosage wise - as you did when you were tapering up. 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off is classic protocol but if you go beyond 2 weeks start ketotifen at 2-4mg ED pre-bed time until you finish your cycle.
3) Sorry for the long ass post, but you asked many things that needed much explanation :439: