Ok first time pinning... help with cycle.
- 02-13-2011, 03:42 PM
Ok first time pinning... help with cycle.
Ok i have test depot and some trenbol 100.
If i were to run these i was thinking....
Trenbol 100= 100mg/8wks
Test Depot= 250mg/8wks
Plenty of prohormones, so maybe i could start M14add in the beginning 4wks?
Or epi, SD, 19 nor, etc. etc.
I have nolva always on hand, and support supps.
What yall think? experienced speakers please.
- 02-13-2011, 06:05 PM
- 02-13-2011, 10:10 PM
I wouldn't suggest Trenbolone on your 1st cycle, but if you're gonna do it anyway...
I would run the Test 1-2wks longer than the Tren just to make sure it has cleared your system.
02-13-2011, 11:49 PM
Ok not suggesting tren for my first... How come bud? Just figuring your reasoning....
And im not like typical stubborn peeps haha. I would just need some reasoning behind it.
Now i am experienced with ph's..... Taken dbol and what not....
Now i know i respond to epi ph very well. So should i consider equipoise? Even though its a cutting agent?
If anything maybe i should just stick to test....
My goal Is mainly to place some wet mass on me heard trenbolone would be good with that. I would kinda like to way away from dbol and test.... If there is a shot for mass and not cut, Like wet gains. I am just really trying to hit 200....
02-13-2011, 11:52 PM
If your curious about diet ill get 3000 in easy. Mainly eating everything under the table..... My metabolism is just soo rediculous.... Im trying to fit more calories and stretch my stumach out but that will take time. If i could get 4000 or 4500 i would maybe gain something lol..... Thats a lot of food.... Friends and girl already complains about how much food i eat haha.
02-14-2011, 12:08 AM
Whoever told you tren produces wet gains is wrong, many believe tren is the one steroid that actually burns fat from all the sweats.
In the end, it's all about diet and training really, to gain weight, you have to be at a positive energy balance, (eat more calories than you burn.)
02-14-2011, 12:44 AM
I was looking into deca but was not sure.... Ok ill look into that and hold the tren off on the side for another day....
But all i need is 15 but 20 to 35 is fine...
Yeah i hove got the protein intake and carbs.... WAsnt noticing much of a diference And weight would gradually increase and then stop.... With me at 185-190 kinda like a platue at weight gain hahaha.....
But im trying to incorporate more fat. Which might help.... Like i said metabolism is rediculous.... Heres what i ate today for an example.
meal one: two bowls of cereal. protein shake
meal two: plate of spaghetti with mazarella bread(by the way amazing!)
meal three: pork chop in cream of mushroom slop, with rice and collard greens
meal four: Bowl of ice cream and black berry pie and protein shake.
meal five: Crescount(sp?) with turkey, cheese, and mayo
meal six: Spaghetti similar to two
meal seven: Protein before bed and cottage cheese with jelly mix.
02-14-2011, 03:11 PM
02-15-2011, 11:31 AM
Tren is not used for a first timer because of the sides. They are a major factor in the use of tren. It is the juice of the Gods but only if you can take the sides.
The best cycle for a first timer is usually 12 wks of 500-600mg/wk of Test e or c with some kind of 4-5wk oral kick start. This way you know how your body reacts to test. Then you can start to add other aas into the mix.
02-15-2011, 11:42 AM
02-15-2011, 12:00 PM
No need to stack AAS on your first cycle. Next time add Deca if mass is still your goal. Side effects can be a bitch and knowing which compound is responsible makes the sides easier to manage.
Also, do a lot of reading before you start. PCT is a good place to begin.
02-15-2011, 02:55 PM
02-15-2011, 03:00 PM
So ill just stick with prop and that will be it maybe some dbol depending what kind of deal i get it for.
Plus whats wrong with my diet? If im trying to gain why not eat like i am? i am getting plenty of protein.... CArbs fat im getting plenty of also..
Ill admit pork i dont eat all the time and is not my favorite.
Nothing wrong with the spaghetti. Its full of veggies. Squash celery corn tomatoes, whole wheat pasta, ground beaf with turkey sausage! finaminal!
02-15-2011, 03:48 PM
for comparison here is my rough diet:
1)wake up: 15-20mg BCAA with 8oz OJ
2)breakfast hr later (after shower): 5-6 whole eggs with 7-8 eggs whites, 1.5-2 cups oatmeal, 1 box raisins
3)2 chicken wraps... 8-9oz chicken split on two 100% whole wheat wraps, lettice, few slices of avacodo, large apple
4)8-9oz chicken, 10-11oz sweet potato, 28g mac nuts or almonds
5)pre workout: 25g whey with 25g casien, 1 cup oatmeal
6)post workout 50g whey with 100g waxy maize
7)repeat meal 4 or 10oz 94%lean ground beef with 1-1.5 cup oatmeal
8)before bed: 50g casein 2 tablespoons almonds and 2 tablespoons walnut oil
*once a wk i would have a cheat meal and go to 5 guys and have 2 burgers and reg fry... IT WAS ALWAYS SOOO YUMMY! LOVE THAT PLACE!
*occasionally instead of meal 3 I got MHPs Up Your Mass (very solid weight gainer if you look at ing list) and mix the recommended scoops with whole milk for 900+cal meal.
02-15-2011, 03:49 PM
Now that's a diet!
Listen to Liftingstud
02-15-2011, 04:07 PM
Its not set in stone. I mean I love whole wheat pasta too, 50% italian here but I also make sure I brown my lean beef to add to the sauce or cook up some chicken to add in. I also will switch out for some brown rice instead of all the oats. Heck sometimes I will have 2 Up your Mass shakes with whole milk 900 cal each and then go for my cheat meal that night with the gf. I mean I am probably at 6000 cal or more that day but I grow! Some people this would be way too much but for my and my fast metabolism, esp on aas, its needed. Make it simple so its very easy to follow.
02-15-2011, 04:10 PM
02-15-2011, 05:34 PM
My thing was that trying to eat healthy and trying to gain weight was just not cutting it for me.... My metabolism is redonculous! So i was like lets throw in more fat!!! haha. Here is my thing. I have crohnes and my dad has a an awsome metabolism and so does my grandpa they are both old and still look skinny and eat everything under the table...... I will love it in the long run.... But holyshiznit what a pain in A$$!
That diet was just an example by the way i dont eat ice cream every single day lol. I splurge one week out of the month lol. ok maybe 2 wks....... But the two weeks is rare.
I also love up your mass that stuff was sweet! it put a solid mass on me. But the only problem is i cant have egg it upsets my stumach..... A ton of weight gainers have egg albumin (sp?) In it.. Runs right through me.... So i try to make my own gainer with oats. or use lean body by labrada
02-15-2011, 05:38 PM
I have seen some beginning cycles with equipoise, but not many. I think that is also a cutting? Im not so familiar with this stuff like i am with ph's.... This is why i listen.
But on the dbol. I can get gyno real easy.... So i i wanted to stay away from it..... But maybe i could. Its been a while since i have taken dbol.... About 3 yrs er so.... I loved the mass though from what i can remember.... Maybe i couls stack erase with it...... Im not to fond of taking serm's for long periods of time....
02-15-2011, 05:42 PM
02-15-2011, 06:02 PM
02-15-2011, 06:55 PM
02-15-2011, 07:25 PM
Eat clean, piss dirty
02-15-2011, 07:29 PM
I bet you could gain 20lb in one year with a solid diet that doesn't include fu*king ice cream. The only steroids you need are the ones you get second hand by eating red meat.
I try not to comment on these types of threads because I really do NOT give a **** what you to with your body. But for ****ing crying out loud you listed ice cream in your diet so now it's gloves off.
02-15-2011, 07:38 PM
You can get gyno with test just as easy as dbol if your prone to it.
SERMs for a long time?!?!?! huh?!?!? If you are worried about gyno on cycle run a AI during your cycle. You only need to worry about SERMs if you start to develop gyno and during PCT
It seems like you really need to do some more research before jumping into the aas you are talking about. Just a suggestion. You dont know very basic stuff.
02-16-2011, 12:28 AM
Ok my bad for listing icecream ha. WOw sounds like somone misses some icecream. Dont be jealous.
SERM is for after cycle correct sir. Im trying to not get pissed of with how degrading you sound on this.
My main point was for being on an SERM because of gyno. since dbol is known for this, I was not concidering it.
And secondly ( i am laughing about this how much of a big deal this is becoming ) I listed ice cream as an example about what i had that day...... As an example of how much i eat. Because i had figured the question would arise. I had ice cream that day!!!!!!!! good greaf holms...... And yes if im listing things as a meal.... that would be considered a meal......
Im sorry i ate ice cream.... Extra calories i will always except... As long as im getting all of my protein and carbs..... I always eat clean since i have crohnes my body does not alow trash food. But since my stumach has been doing well i splurged!!!! Jeez guys lol..... People get a cheat day or two.....
Everything else was fine. Spaghetti I ate a lot of because i had made a huge batch of for the guys that i was working for that day....
Pork chop is not a lean meat, but i will eat occasionally. The "slop" was mushroom soup with mushrooms and onion, bell pepper. Rice on the side, Brown rice that is. With collard greens. Cottage cheese, well theres nothing wrong with that....
Honestly dude just because i have to eat o ton of carbs does not mean that im having a ****ty diet. Everyone is different and plus i have to eat alot to gain.
Ice cream, well i splurged.... Scuse me for splurging!
02-16-2011, 12:32 AM
02-16-2011, 12:54 AM
Ok to clear things up:
And to make things straight on what has rediculously blown out of proportion.
Please please read the whole thing before blowing up fellas......
If i were to cycle
We have decided some type of test....
No dbol because i can easily get gyno....
I have nolva on the side and have had nolva for some time. I also have AI's on the side.
Diet would look like this, which is my normal dietNo ice cream! haha)
Meal one: Cup of yogurt and cup of cottage cheese. Two slices of ezekial bread with honey. Protein shake. Or enstead of bread ill have steel cut oats
Multi. 10g of fishoil. Probiotic. Natty test-booster. Krealk.
Preworkout: Green tea milk with cinnonmon vanilla protein with krealkylyne, BCaas, Blended up oats (By the way awsome!)
Postworkout: Protein shake, bcaas
Meal two: tuna sandwich WIth mayo tomato and spinach leaves. Baked potato clean or with butter.
Meal three: I normally like to drink a mass shake. But if not ill eat some yogurt, or cottage cheese. Or even a quick grilled chicken. WIth a salad on the side
Meal four: Steak, Collards or spinach, green beans or sparagus, Normally i like two types of green in this meal. Not with too much ruf***e. 1/2 cup brown rice.
Meal five: Cottage or meal shake
Meal six: protein shake
Now the reason i eat so much cottage and yogurt. The casein and it loves my stumach and packed with a ton of protein.... Im trying to gain weight so im not worried about too much dairy.....
And yes i am not gaining weight off of this. I have done this for 9 months and have stopped at 185..... Been stuck here for 2 months....
There you go now have at it and tell me what you think.
02-16-2011, 11:42 AM
I like to have shakes but gezz man 5-6 shakes! And while cottage cheese is great you gave to eat a ton to get the protein requirement needed for a meal. Don't get defensive about the ice cream comments. Most people when they post a diet will do like you did the second time and post what they usually eat.
IMO you not getting enough whole foods. The body runs through shakes very quick. People with fast metabolisms often are not getting the full nutrient content from their food because it passes through them so fast. Hence while whole foods are better. It takes the body time to break them down. Shakes are great for when you are in a pinch and need to get a meal in.
Plus you have NO carbs post workout?!?! You kidding me?!?? That's when you could use them the most. Insulin is a very anabolic hormone! Use it!
02-16-2011, 01:30 PM
Test E, C, or D 400-500mg wks 1-10(yes 400mg will work very well for your 1st run)
Anadrol wks 1-4 maybe even 1-6 depending on how you feel.
Keep an AI(aromasin, Letro, or A-dex) around in case of gyno flare ups.
Study hard on PCT methods.
02-16-2011, 03:52 PM
02-16-2011, 04:01 PM
Having this be the first time i have ever considered pinning. I have been trying to figure up on it. Little bit harder to figure... kinda....
I am always trying to perfect my diet and gain muscle. Cause dieting is the hardest thing to perfect. I think any of yall can agree.
So i will prob try the test i have bought and leave the tren for when ever i ever get fat ha. if ever.
Ill pin 400 wk, or 200 biwk.
Anadrol ill look into maybe i can get some.... We will see....
Thank you fellas. And lighten up! ha
02-17-2011, 08:00 AM
02-17-2011, 07:55 PM
B. It has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 500/500- making it in the top 3 of the most powerful steroids
C.It can cause alot, ALOT of side effects.
I would do this
test 500mg 12 wks
m14add first 5 weeks epi last 5 weeks
but i cant talk im using tren right now on my first cycle, but uh
i dont usually reccomend what i do to other people- multiple people who use steroids tell me im crazy
I have to agree
02-18-2011, 09:22 AM
Ight dude. Powerade or juice is not enough. More whole foods. I will cut down to three shakes. not five.
And whole foods versus protein shakes..... I have heard many bios on pros and they drink as much shakes as they eat also.. As long as you alays get your protein. I have never been a fan of weighing.... But i will start.
You know why? Because you sir have inspired me!
Plus i do cook alot. But when i cook i make huge batches of so i dont have to cook every two hours.... So if its chicken ill cook 5 breasts one day. Or a huge batch of chili. Etc Etc.Etc.
02-18-2011, 09:25 AM
02-18-2011, 02:00 PM
The pros are eating tons of whole foods in addition to the protein shakes.
5 chicken breasts that like 2.5 meals for me try cooking 12 at a time.
02-18-2011, 02:03 PM
i stopped listening to people about my diet. after years of this sh!t you'll figure out what you need to eat to grow and what you need to eat to get cut. if you're not growing, eat more. if you're getting fat eat less or do higher intensity workouts to compensate.
ice cream is one of my staples. lately i've been eating the hell out of coconut milk ice cream. the fats in there are great and they don't use refined sugars.
whenever i'm out to eat with my wominz and i order that dessert at the end and my chick gives me that look like slow down fatty, i proudly say "I'm bulking up!"
PS. yeah the tren is harsh i hear. i hear people are starting to opt for masteron instead. close to the same strength gains with less nasty sides. makes you hornier than a rabbit too i hear.
02-18-2011, 05:40 PM
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