Morry's Test P/Test E cycle + PCT, thinkin I'll hit 375 bench????
- 01-17-2011, 10:40 AM
I put an arrow on the PDF for where the pain is, but the knot itself is closer to the outside of the back over the middle part of the shoulder blade. It doesn't hurt very badly at all. I have to turn my kneck pretty far to even feel the pain. Then again, I have spent probably 2 or 3 hours with a kneading pillow and AFTER workouts, I'll take Naproxen, plus nice hot showers on it. I do take some naproxen in the morning when I have a pulled muscle, but that is about 9 hours before I workout. I avoid taking anti inflamatories before working out because if I feel pain then, I need to, I may be really hurting myself and the NSAID could mask it (much like my run I describe below). Otherwise, I do not take naproxen or anything else like that.
To top things off, I've been taking NSAID and I ran yesterday but apparently something got off on my knee. I wake up last night to take a whiz and my knee is hurting badly. I move the knee cap and the pain is intense. Only on my left knee, right side. While I sit at my desk it is fine. I've obviously just strained a tendon. I haven't decided whether I'll take the whole day off. I may switch my days up and go ahead and do chest and abs to day as not to aggrevate the knee, but I'll have to watch the weight on bench because my back too.
I'm starting to think I sound like a wuss. I originally only wanted "real" documentation for my cycle, but there seems to be something new happening indicating my body talking to me more everyday. I may just take the day off. My body is obviously saying for me to lower the stress I'm putting on it.
I wish my body and I could just have a sit down talk where I agree to stop pushing the hell out of it and it agrees to stop allowing me to tweak muscles/tendons here and there.
I'll also spend extra time stretching just bc I don't think it'll hurt. We'll see how things pan out....
- 01-17-2011, 11:49 AM
Man, my body talks to me all the time!! ha ha I've been at this for over 27 years now. Heavy lifting does take a toll on the body. I've pulled, sprained, and strained almost every muscle there is. LMAO
I've even strained that very same area of the back that you're experiencing. Both sides as a matter of fact. I strained the left back/shoulder blade area years ago while doing heavy overhead barbell presses. Imagine that.
Then I strained the right side a few months back. Don't even know what set that one off!!
I have the goddess (my wife) do deep-tissue massage on the area. This helps the most. I've also used emu oil on the area for relief.
And you're right about the stretching........it helps tremendously.
You're not a wuss brother, you're a warrior. This is all part and parcel of the battle!!!
No Pain........No Gain!!THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!
"Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."
01-17-2011, 12:53 PM
Well said bro and thank you for the encouragement. I will forge on, no doubt. While I'm at lunch I'll grab an ice pack and keep my knee iced, 30 on 30 off for the last part of the day. I will do chest/abs today instead of legs. I've done just weightless squats (this morning in our "extra" room) and the positive movement up makes my knee hurt, so not today. Some serious icing and taking NSAID, I'm hoping I'll at least be able to do light set with legs tomorrow. Even if I limit the range of movement in squats and leg extensions, I should be good by tomorrow. If not, maybe back/shoulder, or I'll just take the entire day off (although I hate doing nothing relative to fitness in a day, makes me feel lazy).
Avavar is said to have healing capabliities as well and I start that at 80mgs ED in 13 or 14 days. I'll add rest days, relax the running, lower the weight, but still burn the crap out of my muscles and we'll see. I'll post pics later tonight after chest/abs.
TG, thanks again....and it won't let me rep you right now......****!!!!
01-18-2011, 03:55 AM
Wieght 210 (+4)
Not sure if the test e is starting to mound up enough where I'm getting some use out of it or not, but my workout was def more concentrated and intense.
I was able to move weight up on all lifts. Mood is good, my back being a little tight and my knee being off didn't really hurt my workout today. Some extra stratching and I was gtg.
I did move today to chest and abs, but at almost 3am I can say my knee doesn't hurt right now. I iced it on and off for 4 hours today. I'll do the same tomorrow.
Pinned 2 ml right quad. Little stiff, but normal. Still no problems pinning. Every once and a while I will get some blood that comes back out of the pin site, but it is purely surface and doesn't leave a bruise. Everything is cruising along. If my leg will cooperate, I will do legs and arms tomorrow, then move on to back and shoulders to complete the split.
I feel sorta dumb having pulled something in my knee WHILE ON CYCLE WHILE RUNNING, not lifting but running. I learned a valauble lesson from that crap. I can push myself to the limits of hurting myself while on cycle pretty easy, so I have to be more careful, just because it doesn't hurt right that second, doesn't mean it won't. Plus, if I'm going to pull anything, I better do it lifting. I'm kidding, but this did cross my mind. Effing running.......I love to, but I felt like I could destroy some miles yesterday so I put the incline up to 5 and ran at 10mph for as long as I could (which at the end of my run wasn't very long at all), and I'm sure this is when I hit something too hard and hurt my knee. My gait got sloppy and I was heel pounding to keep up. bear in mind I run in vibrams or bearfoot, so heal striking not only is a big no, no, but can lead to much larger problems than just a pulled knee or tendon or whatever.....
Pics as promised
01-18-2011, 07:55 AM
Well done morry!! That Prop is packing the mass on yo ass!! Arms, delts, and pecs look swollen dude. Nice.
Keep Smashin' Dat Iron!!!!
THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!
"Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."
01-18-2011, 09:37 AM
Knee still feels pretty good this morning. If I can do weightless squats at lunch, I'll do legs today. I'lll prob stick to widow makers over heavy squats to avoid the weight and extra stress on my knee. Not sure about leg extensions, I may do these really light today too. I'll just see how things go through-out the day.
01-18-2011, 10:50 AM
Forget about PR's during cycle, just focus at lifting heavy ass weight and bin completely in control.
Eat, train and sleep...the muscle will come. PR's don't bring muscle, just injury (Alot of the time)
PM me with any order questions and concerns
01-18-2011, 11:59 AM
Thanks for the read and if you guys have any questions about the cycle, go for it.
01-18-2011, 01:52 PM
OMG YUH YOU GROWIN YUH
01-18-2011, 04:03 PM
I currently do a 3 day split and take a day off (on the day off, I will run around 3 or 4 miles straight at a 6.0mph pace with 5 min warm-up and cool-down, but I don't always run this now).
I did cardio everyday to the tune of 2-4 miles but quit because my gains stopped and now only do cardio around 4 times a month if that.
My split is a strange one that I created (or stole it and don't remember where so I'm crediting myself for the time being), but it works well and it sheds fat like crazy, super-sets and circuits (this ends up being my cardio, but the cardio I mentioned above I'm speaking of running, not super-setting, but this is why I only "run" 4 times a month) two muscle groups with slight overlay, goes like this, Back/shoulders-Chest/abs-Legs/arms (Back and legs HAVE to be split up bc the strain on my lower back and needed recovery time because I do deadlifts and then squats on those individual days).
I modified this slightly and just rotate the splits from heavy low reps to light high reps back and forth for the back/shoulder and legs/arms day. I only lift light on chest day if my shoulder is bothering me otherwise it is heavy.
I do hit plateaus, but I've been working out long enough, I just switch stuff up in my routine and break through it, for instance, I'll slow reps down, cycle heavy to light, change my days around, or something like that and eventually I'll push through the strength plateua.
Circuits and super sets do set you back at first IMO. You can't lift as much and it takes a while to be able to complete 30-33 complete sets in about 1 hour to 1.25 hours. Once you get through the conditioning portion of this, you'll be happy you moved this direction bc you can cut out most or all of your cardio (at least I could). Do you get a "stich" in your side while you lift weights? Are you breathing that hard? If you aren't, push yourself harder, close in the time you are using to rest and make your muscles respond. If you want I can document an entire heavy and light split as far as what I lift, how many times and what exercises to give you a better idea.
My diet looks like this,
I eat .5 cups of Go Lean cereal every morning and for the "milk" I use 35 grams whey protein isolate and water blended until it is thicker (about 6 oz of water), then two eggs with 1/4 green pepper and 1/8 onion.
bannana or nothing, depending on my hunger
Salad with 1.5 cups iceburg, 1/4 green pepper, 1/4 cucumber, .5 cup homemade ranch (ricotta cheese with a ranch packet and some water, I do this instead of cottage cheese becasue the sodium content), 1 can chicken (64 grams protein, washed, I take the sodium out this way), 1 carrot peeled and cut up, and 2 tbls southwest spicy mustard (has no real caloric benefit, just taste good).
The only variation here is sometime (depending on how close shelf life of the fresh chicken is), I'll cook a large chicken breast and cut it up instead of the canned chicken and I'll toss down 25 gram WPI with water.
Same as 2nd, but honestly, usually nothing
Pre Workout, 25 grams WPI, 5 grams BCAA, creatine, white flood
Post Workout, 50 grams WPI, 40 grams oats, 5 grams BCAA's (sometimes the WPI is drank in two time periods, half immediately post workout, then about 30-45 min later I drink the rest. I don't always do this, but if I have time
I just started having this meal again now that I've gotten some size back (this meal was ommitted during my cut before my cycle). It's my whole food meal after working out. Usually a med size chicken breast, 1/8 onion, 1/4 green pepper, 2 slices turkey bacon (low sodium) and I top it with the same ranch as I use for lunch
Greek yogurt, but I buy the vanilla flavor and take one of the flavors of WPI i have and mix in a scoop. It makes it the consistency of icing, has about 8 grams of sucrose/fructose and 35-45 grams protein, of which about 10 is slow digesting protein. I consider this my "cheat" part of the day
I drink at least a gallon and a half of water a day if not more.
I have an office job. I sit on my ass for about 8 hours a day. GREAT for recovery.....but when I had a more active job where I was on my feet all the time, I just ate more, now I don't get that luxury. Being a little older and sitting on my ass, I just watch what I eat
I can up cals more, but for now, I'll keep it where I'm at. I'm still making solid gains and shedding fat, so I'm in a sweet spot. In a couple more weeks I'll have to start eating some more to keep my gains coming and slow the fat loss. You can't have one without the other IMO. But for me specifically, meal 4 and 6 I can add 25 grams WPI blended with a bannana and water (instead of just a bananna) and that will add 550 cals or so by itself and add 50 grams protein to my macros (putting me hella close to 300). I won't make that adjustment now, but as things progress I imagine some modifications will be neccesary.
I do cheat once a week, but it isn't that bad of a cheat. I don't ever go overboard and eat fast food or anything greasy and nasty. I cook almost every bit of what I eat.....if I do go out, it's grilled stuff with maybe an occasional light fried peice of fish or some shrimp. Something like that. Doesn't mean I'm ordering dessert or a coke. I drink nothing but water....almost all the time. I do have a couple glasses of red wine once a week or so. This hasn't hindered my gains, but anything over a few glasses and I can tell the next workout, so I keep it to a min.
I hope this helps....
01-18-2011, 04:26 PM
01-18-2011, 08:28 PM
Weight 209 (+3)
Legs / Arms
The dark side does just keep getting better and better. The burn during a workout has gotten to feel very good and keeps me moving. There's no doubt about it, I'm pushing through stuff I never have, not that I'm breaking PR's (as stated earlier, that's not as important, although I believe it inevitable), but I have a focus on pushing through one more rep. Numbers count down quickly. I did feel my knee tendon pull a bit after squats, but I went heavy on squats with slow movements. I didn't do deep squats with weight, but stretching I did weightless deep squats. I also did one set of weighted lunges and quickly found out that was a bad idea for the knee, so I did the other 2 sets weightless with a log stride and slow movement. On leg extensions, as I expected, I wasn't able to go as heavy as I wanted and my range of motion was from 90 degrees to about 60 degrees, but I got a great burning in my quads, once again, slow reps. I'll be icing my knee the rest of the night on and off. First round is already done and the knee feel markably better. We'll see how it feels in the morning. I need to do back and shoulders to complete my circuit but I'm doubt I'll be able to do heavy DL at all. Maybe light or maybe good mornings instead to save the knee. My back felt pretty good today, but got very tight on that right side during curls.
Pinned 20clicks on a slin of HCG (at my concentration it is ~250ius). Same pin site as last time. No issues.
I pin 1 ml prop in the right quad tomorrow.
I haven't said anything about Letro in a while, but I am on .625mg E3d. I can't wait to start my Var in another 13 days. Everybody always says test bloats you, but you can see from the pics and my weight, I'm not getting bloated. If anything, I'm recomping, which I'm surprised about. I've always been able to recomp with my routine, but I thought I'd get a bit of bloat out of test bc I can bloat from my diet decently easily. I have read, however, that the key to keeping bloat down is your diet and mine is pretty clean. Seems to be working so far for me, but it does make me wonder how my body will react to -300mg test/week but + 560mg Anavar (in addition to the half a g of test)? Single digit body fat is what I'm thinking, but I can't tell with these things. Maybe I'll plateau out..... not if I have anything to say about it.
01-19-2011, 08:07 AM
My diet has not been perfect since Christmas!! ha ha Not bad......just a little deviation here and there. A little dark chocolate. You know.
And my Letro (same dosages as you're taking) is keeping me lean, dry, and hard.
I've put on 7 lbs. since Christmas day. It's time to clean up my diet and start working on getting ripped for the warmer months coming up.
It won't be long until it's tank-top weather!!!
If you start to see your gains drop off after dropping the Prop, just up your Enanthate doses a little. Bounce on up to 750 mgs. per week. The Var/Letro will keep you lean.
THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!
"Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."
01-19-2011, 05:52 PM
I have to do Back and Shoulders today to complete the split. I'm icing my knee right now......I'll post after my workout.
01-19-2011, 08:17 PM
Weight 209 (+3), but same as yesterday
Back / Shoulders
Workout went by a little slow I thought but somehow I still finished in right at an hour. 33 sets (including circuits of course). I went heavy on DLs today, not as heavy, but still above 300 for my 3 heavy sets. My knee was fine and my back was fine. I did feel both my knees puling at me a little, but I'm sure this is just the dumbass running. I'm not sure I'll run again while on cycle. At least not at a pace like I did. My back was relaxed and not tight. I was surprised. I didn't move up in weight bc my back has been tight and there was a knot, but I slowed reps and was sweating like a mofo. Workout was powerful and wiped me out. My forearms are getting tired as I type. I'll be listening to my body closely the next few workouts, I'm getting the feeling I may need to up the cals a little. I think energy levels while I workout will help me determine this. Maybe just an extra bannana for now to have more fructose for the old glycogen liver stores....
Pinned 1ml prop right quad. Still no issues with pinning.
No sides. Mood is good if not great. Energy is through the roof and I feel freaking great almost all the time. I'm taking Valrian and Melatonin to sleep, but I haven't really slept right since my little brother passed away a few months back. I just haven't mentioned I was taking these before so in the interest of documentation I figured I'd toss that out there. I don't, however, think the sleep has anything to do with the cycle.
I don't think I'll run tomorrow, I think I'll just hop back into my normal non-mdified split, which for me means legs and arms again tomorrow. Squats will be light this time.
Only HCG tomorrow, ~250 ius
01-20-2011, 01:34 AM
Doing good bro keep killing it- while ive gained 22lbs- remember i am using test/deca/dbol and a slew of other orals- which i bet at least 6 lbs is water- either way dude, those 3 lbs uve gained so far by the looks of it are PURE muscle- which is SICK in 17 days- keep killing it bro ur makin schwelly proud!
01-20-2011, 03:10 AM
01-20-2011, 02:16 PM
01-20-2011, 03:33 PM
"Tren doesnt make arseholes it makes arseholes bigger"
I do think it is responsible to take a breath every now and again as there is always that Alpha Male tendency "Im bigger and better" so just be careful on that reagard
Eat clean, piss dirty
01-20-2011, 05:06 PM
I was aware of the NSAIDs slowing growth, but agreed, you do what you gotta do. If you do get a chance, def post the studies. I'm sure some following along would ike to see them as would I (for reference and stuff).
I'm not worthy....you are a wealth of good info bro, Thanks for taking the time and posting in my thread.
Legs and Arms here in a couple hours. A little HCG on the side.
I'm going out of town next week and will be gone during one of my HCG pins. I'm thinking I'll just load the slin and stick it in a cooler? I am driving so no worries about an air-plane. Then put it in the fridge when I get there? That's all I can come up with what to do. Diet will be challenging while I'm gone to, but I'll post what I come up with. Maybe it'll help some of the traveling muscle heads. Maybe not.
01-20-2011, 09:50 PM
weight - 209 (+3), but same as the last two days
Legs / Arms
Widow maker day. 135x15, 205x22, 205x18, 205x16, 205x13. Supersetting those with 21s on the bis with 65 (or 60 if an EZ bar is 10). I was sweating like hell and was able to kill some sets. I should have been tired as crap, but I just pushed through it. I even added a set at the end and went up in weight and/or reps in just about every lift. Lunges were fine, no prob with the knee. None with squats either. Lunges I could still feel my knee pulling some, but I did themweighted anyhow bc it didn't hurt, It just felt tight. Leg extensions I did limit my range of motion, but not as much last time and I was able to do 185x18 and down to 14 for three sets, supersetting with wide grip pullups body weight x 22, then 15, then 12. Workout felt pretty damn good.
Pinned HCG, same site, same amount....blah
I'm staying the same weight and my diet is identical each day, plus I'm getting stronger. I know water can have some major effects, but it might be possible I'm pretty damn close to burning as much fat as I add muscle each day. That would be amazing. I doubt I'm this lucky, but it sounds pretty good. The next couple days will help me make up my mind. That is also why I keep pics, it really helps tell if I am gaining or losing BF. I do have calipers, but it has only been 18 days, so I'll wait till the end of prop just so I have some baseline numbers for the start of anavar. Is that physiologically possible? I know not exactly......but close.
A pound of fat is 3500 calories, right?
I'm eating somewhere around 3500 a day.
My workout is high intensity for just under an hour, 5-6 days a week (depending if I do two back to back splits or I seperate them), my body fat if I had an educated guess is prob around 12 maybe 11 but I doubt it. So that means I have 23 total pounds of fat and 186 pounds solid muscle. Essential is b/t 2-5%, so average is 3.5 which is around 7 lbs that I have to have leaving 16lbs of fat that I don't "have" to have and 186lbs of muscles, tissue and organs. I wonder if an average weight of everything in LBM but muscle coulod be figured, then try to figure out pound for pound how many calories you have the ability to burn with the muscle you have, the workouts (and regular daily activity) you go through and then fine tune it until you get a close balance where you sit still on on the scale but get stronger and more muscular. Sounds too complicated.....I'll just guess and see what happens. or just keep doing what I'm doing and watch the scale and strength side of things.....
01-21-2011, 12:40 AM
Any person can tell you without being a doctor that increased hormones lead to increased emotions.
01-21-2011, 12:47 AM
01-21-2011, 12:52 AM
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01-21-2011, 12:55 AM
01-21-2011, 12:56 AM
01-21-2011, 09:30 AM
Welcome to AM, but if you don't read the forum rules you won't be here long. Continue to follow along and do some research. There are forums that allow what you are doing, you just can't do it here.
That being said, I'm on a ton of the boards, but I really only contribute to this one. Maybe that's bad, but the guys are here are knowledgeable, so when and if you do ever find something to feed your rats, you could def ask a lot of questions here about HOW to feed those rats. You just can't ask where to get the food....
Pinned 2ml this morning. I must have overdosed the prop a little earlier this week bc I was only able to draw out around 3/4 of a ml, but no matter, the bottle vial is empty so I dosed all of it. I didn't run into this last vial, it is 5ml, so I get 5 pins off one bottle, so I start my 3rd vial on Sun. I'll pay closer attention this time. I was just exact the first time so maybe I just got lazy and stopped paying close enough attention.
01-21-2011, 03:54 PM
its okay morry- everyone is predicting my death and failure and smallness as if they wuz Moses himself omgz yuh
im doing it to spite them- my greatness will not be let down- period
01-21-2011, 04:18 PM
I really hope nobody is predicting Schwell's death. Maybe the death of his ball sac, but that won't be known for quite some time. I'd chimed in over there a little more, but look at me. I'm ON my first injectable. Who the eff am I to say anything about a long cycle. I have no idea what I'm talking about.
I know me and my body pretty well and I don't think I'd give it a whirl, but everybody is really different. There were some vets that chimed in and what they said was def worth the read.
But wasn't it not too long ago that ppl were thinking Ed is crazy? He proved em wrong. Now schwell has to do the same thing. I don't think I'd be the only to say that Edwitt does have good info to post, is a valueable member here, and proved a lot of ppl wrong. So it's possible, right?
I want to stop working NOW. My arms and chest are dying to hit the weights!!!!
01-21-2011, 04:18 PM
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