first cycle 300mgs test/300 mgs deca?side affects

[masoncade]

first cycle 300mgs test/300 mgs deca?side affects

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Hi, i will be starting my first cycle soon. i want to know what the side affects of this cycle might be. i will be taking armidex with it and i also have letrozole just in case. also is there anything else i can do to prevent gyno and acne? and will the gains for this stack be good?

[Uncle Ralph]

Jojoba oil (***) is good topical aid. It will replace the sebum or whatever it is in your pores that causes acne. your not running a high dose of either and if ur taking the adex with it estro side will be nill. Vitamin B6 and P-5-P could assist with prolactin gyno but at that dose of deca i dont see it happening. the gains will depend on your diet and training of course. but decas a mass builder. Your gains wont be overwhelming but they will be noticeable. PCT will determine what you keep...Deca will shut you down hard so gonna need to get the lil guys up and going if you want to appreciate deca afterwards. im sure many people will tell you or taking to low dose of both but like i said this will give you noticeable moderate results after 4 weeks... if your looking for "dramatic" this isnt it.. Im not a fan of dramatic so...

[masoncade]

thanks for the advice. im not looking for major gains. i just need a boost. plus if i find im not gaining enough. i can always just order more. i feel alot better knowing that my side affects will be small tho.

[Uncle Ralph]

also being your first cycle you'll probably see alot of gains...i say if your looking for major gains drop the Adex. "Ordering more" should not be the approach you take.. like i said you wont see real results until during/after the 4th week. if by after the 4th week you are not impressed with the change then up the calories and protien intake. pickup a quality weight gainer shake. theyre pricey but effective especially when taken preworkout and/or post workout. I prefer preworkout because the pumps from all the carbs are amazing. Its your first cyle id say your dose is just fine. if you want major gains drop the adex and go hardcore on the calories. by week 4 u'll be flexing hard in the mirror

[masoncade]

ok thanks again. one more question is 10 weeks enough for my cycle?

[Uncle Ralph]

its your first cycle in my opinion 10 weeks is enough. deca starts to taper down after a week of your last injection. so you may want to research different suggested cycle lengths. I think 10 is fine but others might disagree. in all honesty your PCT is what matters most, will you be running HCG with this?

[DetroitHammer]

Are you using 300mg/mL of test and Deca? If so, it will hurt like hell.

first cycle 300mgs test/300 mgs deca?side affects

[masoncade]

no im not using hcg. and yes im using 300 mg/ml of deca and 300mg/ml test,why will it hurt like hell?

[masoncade]

oh and im just running nolva for my pct is that enough?

[lyfespan]

Are you using 300mg/mL of test and Deca? If so, it will hurt like hell.

this statement lacks any kinda of validity, but please let your fear keep you away from the gear.

More for me, 4th wk 500cyp/400deca, and 115 of drol. No pain to speak of, not even from the inject where I started shaking, basically tattin my muscle with an 23g 1" dart. Hitting delts, quads, traps and tris on this cycle.



Oh yeah this is my first pinned cycle, **** being a *****.

[Uncle Ralph]

oh and im just running nolva for my pct is that enough?

HCG is recommended for Deca...clomids supposed to be better jump starting the boys too. Estrogen isnt the main cuplrit here. The not having any Test floating in your system PCT will bruise the ego/self esteem when the gains vanish. Like i said PCT is whats going to make this cycle worth it.

As for the comment about test300 "hurting like hell" because of the concentrations, I would think mixing it with deca in the syringe would nullify that.. I remember tren in syringe by itself meant extreme soreness later. But with test in the syringe with it wasnt as bad.

[masoncade]

Would u take it once a week or split it up twice a week ?

[Uncle Ralph]

Would u take it once a week or split it up twice a week ?

theres a few threads out there on this subject. Deconate, enanthate, and cypoinate esters tender to taper down slighty after day 5 of last injection. So general thought is twice a week. but all advocates for once a week have experimented with both methods and say they notice no "physical" difference from dosing once a week or twice a week.

[masoncade]

Ok il do that then . So il take it Monday and Thursday . Thanks for all your help.

[lyfespan]

HCG is recommended for Deca...clomids supposed to be better jump starting the boys too. Estrogen isnt the main cuplrit here. The not having any Test floating in your system PCT will bruise the ego/self esteem when the gains vanish. Like i said PCT is whats going to make this cycle worth it.

As for the comment about test300 "hurting like hell" because of the concentrations, I would think mixing it with deca in the syringe would nullify that.. I remember tren in syringe by itself meant extreme soreness later. But with test in the syringe with it wasnt as bad.

you guys that are having issues with low concentrations, need to find new suppliers. **** sus 450 is about the worst out there, but cut it with a lil GSO and its G2G. Oh and I would bet that the tren wuz an acetate, that would have a lil PIP to it, and all injects will have sum soreness to it later.

Hcg is recommended for all cycles and so is a serm, but I perfer torem to clomid, **** the emotional roller coaster

[DetroitHammer]

Ha! Ok, after you pin come back and tell me how my statement lacks validity. I've pinned a lot of 300mgs/mL and they all hurt like hell. But maybe you'll be lucky and shake it off like a man.

Anyway, this wasn't directed at you, but the OP. If he thinks my statement lacks validity, then let him say it after he pins.

this statement lacks any kinda of validity, but please let your fear keep you away from the gear.

More for me, 4th wk 500cyp/400deca, and 115 of drol. No pain to speak of, not even from the inject where I started shaking, basically tattin my muscle with an 23g 1" dart. Hitting delts, quads, traps and tris on this cycle.



Oh yeah this is my first pinned cycle, **** being a *****.

[lyfespan]

Ha! Ok, after you pin come back and tell me how my statement lacks validity. I've pinned a lot of 300mgs/mL and they all hurt like hell. But maybe you'll be lucky and shake it off like a man.

Anyway, this wasn't directed at you, but the OP. If he thinks my statement lacks validity, then let him say it after he pins.

I completely understand the concept of PIP, and maybe I am just lucky. But most inj. pain comes from using a small ga. and forcing the sh it outta the plunger and basically hydroblasting the cr ap outta the muscle fibers.


And if a compound does have sum PIP, like sustaplex 450 your deca, or a lil GSO will fix that.

[masoncade]

il be starting in about a week. maybe it wont be as bad for me bcz im spacing it out between two injections. also im only taking.5ml of deca and .5 ml of test per injection.

[DetroitHammer]

I completely understand the concept of PIP, and maybe I am just lucky. But most inj. pain comes from using a small ga. and forcing the sh it outta the plunger and basically hydroblasting the cr ap outta the muscle fibers.


And if a compound does have sum PIP, like sustaplex 450 your deca, or a lil GSO will fix that.

If the concentration is too high, and 300 mg/mL is high, then you’re probably going to experience some pain. This is caused the crystals irritating the muscle fibers once the BA/BB leaves the injection site. The oil that remains just isn't enough to do the job of protecting the muscle. That’s why it usually doesn’t hurt until the second day and lasts about three days.

In regards to pain caused by too small of a gauge needle, I have never heard of your theory before. I always use a 23ga, but have used 25gs in the past. I typically inject 5cc in the site. The size of the needle has never resulted in more or less pain. If you’re passing water through a smaller orifice, then the backside of the needle, inside the syringe will build more pressure and the velocity greater at the exit point. But with oil, you can’t pass the fluid through the small needle as quickly as water since it’s so thick, so no matter how hard you push, the exit velocity is limited by weight of the oil. It takes a lot of effort to push the oil through a 25 ga needle, but my guess (and it’s only a guess) is that the actual velocity is less than that of a 23 ga. It’s similar to using a very high viscosity oil in your vehicle’s engine. The thick oil will not pass through the journals or small orifices quick enough and can damage your engine upon starting. The same rule applies to the viscosity of the oil in your syringe and how it exits the smaller hole. Your hand can not exert enough pressure to sustain your theory but if it could, you’d break the syringe before passing heavy oil at the velocity you theorize.

[lyfespan]

Another thing to think about in the pain game is the addition of orals, the "pumps" will increase the amount of pressure at an injection site as well. really noticed it with dbol, but not so much with the drol yet