Opinions on short test-e cycle
- 10-26-2010, 03:41 PM
Opinions on short test-e cycle
OK, let me throw out a quick hypothetical situation: let's say someone has access to test-e only as a first cycle ( not entirely accurate, but again this is hypothetical ). Let's assume this person has already planned a rather extensive cycle to kick off in March of 2011. Let's also assume that, because of various circumstances, the test-e on hand was supposed to have already been run, but sadly the person did not get a chance to do so until now. This person could begin a cycle as of Monday, if so desired.
Now - what are everyone's opinions on running test-e for, say, 4-6 weeks @ 500mg/week? Obviously not the ideal compound to do so, but with a frontload to get blood levels up immediately, and perhaps 2-3 weeks of orals on the back end as the ester clears - would this not be a pretty solid cycle? That way, the hypothetical user could cycle now, be finished with PCT by early January at the latest, and then have a somewhat reasonable amount of time off before cycling again in mid-March, and maybe as late as April. This is a first test cycle, so the idea is to not only get a cycle in now, but also to pop the cherry and learn what to expect before multiple compounds next year.
- 10-26-2010, 05:02 PM
- 10-26-2010, 05:36 PM
The only way test e is worth running less than 10 weeks is to use the alri building the perfect beast protocol, which is not bright for first cycle.
10-26-2010, 05:41 PM
OK - do either of you understand what frontloading is? I am well aware of enanthate's half-life.
10-26-2010, 05:57 PM
So you have a 10 mL vial of Test E, 250mg/mL laying around and feel you have to use it? At 500mg per wk, you have 5wks max out of that vial. That's the worst reason I ever heard of for wanting to start a cycle, albeit very short. You don't have enough gear to frontload, backwash or rinse. You're getting too excited about that vial just sitting around. Leave it alone until you have enough to do a bona fide cycle, with all your PCT gear on hand and the orals you desire ready to pop. Test e/c should be your base, so I don't follow your earlier statement that not being an ideal compound.
10-26-2010, 06:22 PM
There are multiple bottles of test-e. Where did I ever say there was only 1 bottle available? I said there was only 1 compound available, specifically, only 1 test ester: test-e. But thanks for jumping to conclusions.
The whole point of the thread was this: Regular cycle planned for March-April 2011. Because of various circumstances, a "smaller" cycle that was supposed to kick off in August did not. Bearing in mind the following facts:
1) Cycle planned in 2011 is a definite
2) Only test is test-e
3) Test-e would be frontloaded
4) Orals/PCT all on hand
... would a short, frontloaded test-e cycle, with perhaps orals at the end as the ester clears, be worth it? And specifically, why or why not?
10-26-2010, 06:35 PM
Dont waste the test on a 6 week cycle. i (used to) frontload with a gram a week and i still dont really see much effects until week 3, felt it kick in faster but no real visual gains till the third week.
The whole point of long esters is to easily run a compound longer so the gains are more permenant. i dont think you will see many gains and certainly not enough to warrant wasting the test on such a short cycle. Yes u can use orals to endload while the esters clear, however you probably could get the same results by running an orals only cycle and just forget about the test.
What frontloading regiment are you looking at? cause i havent seen a lot of ppl ffrontload with over a gram a week, and i feel at least a gram and a half would be required to really start getting visual effects from test E quickly.
10-26-2010, 06:48 PM
10-26-2010, 07:08 PM
10-26-2010, 07:14 PM
10-26-2010, 07:17 PM
Test E for 4 - 6 weeks = waste of money, waste of time, waste of our time, waste of TEST !!!
10 is minimum
10-27-2010, 10:57 AM
10-27-2010, 11:09 AM
even with a frontload i would see 8 weeks as the absolute minimum if you don't want to waste your time.
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10-27-2010, 11:46 AM
I was looking to frontload 750 mg day 1, and then start 250 mg injections on day 4, going every Sunday and Wednesday. It's weird, because calculating blood levels with the frontload, peak concentration isn't achieved until week 3 - which corroborates your experience - but the difference, to me, seemed negligible (only 7% lower by mid-week 1 and 3% by week 2).
Anyway, thanks again for your input.
10-27-2010, 11:53 AM
10-27-2010, 12:02 PM
Here's an idea: since you think the proposed cycle sucks, tell me why. That's why I made the thread in the first place. Too many sides with the frontload? Gains would be too weak to be worth it? Gains wouldn't be keepable?
Look, here's my rationale, critique as you see fit: frontload should get blood levels to almost peak concentration immediately. That means gains should be able to be had almost immediately. 5-6 weeks on test, add oral last week and stay on orals as long ester clears. Will probably wait a full 2 weeks to let it clear and stay on the orals, although that is longer than necessary. So total cycle = 7-8 weeks on, with 1 overlap week of test + orals.
So again, if this plan sucks (and it may), tell me why. You're the expert, after all.
10-27-2010, 12:02 PM
So the reward is minimal, while with aggressive front loading you really maximize risks as well.... You'd be better off running a solo oral cycle now than bothering with the test if you have to do a cycle now. Either that or (although I really really don't recommend it for a first timer) look for the ALRI building the perfect beast protocol. Off the top of my head (don't have the charts handy) at your weight you'd be dosing 200mg of test - e a day for 12 days.... then switching to deca for the same dose for 12 days, then PCT. You'd be runnning a serm while on the cycle, and also need prolactin protection. Not a first cycle, but its the only way I've seen effective results from short cycles. Easily that can put on 10lbs, but risks of sides is fairly astronomical.
10-27-2010, 12:13 PM
Anyway, thanks for the helpful post.
EDIT - by the way, I just ran the protocol you mentioned through roidcalc, and holy ****, that is a hormonal roller coaster. I'll pass.
Last edited by Dragon13; 10-27-2010 at 12:22 PM. Reason: Update
10-27-2010, 12:25 PM
Definitely not for the faint of heart, or a first cycle, but if you really needed to add 10lbs fast, thats the only way i've ever seen someone gain 10lbs of lean muscle in that short a time High risk though, so sort of pointless. Its never a sprint, its always a marathon. And even as far as competing goes, I can't imagine anyone being just 6 or 8 weeks out and suddenly realizing they need to add 10lbs of lean mass in time for the contest. Thats unlike how frequently someone at 6 or 8 weeks out realizes they have an extra 10lbs of fat they need to loose, which happens pretty often
10-27-2010, 04:21 PM
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