sus 250 injection???

[stullsy]

Will sustanon still work good if I only do one injection of 500mgs a week?

I dont have enough pins to do 2 injections a week.

 

[Tyler3295]

Don't run a cycle unless you are fully prepared. Buy some more pins. If you don't have the cash save the AAS until you DO have the cash.

To utilize the prop in sustanon it should be injected EOD. Injecting sust 1x/wk will surely lead to very unstable blood levels..

 

[crazyfool405]

Will sustanon still work good if I only do one injection of 500mgs a week?

I dont have enough pins to do 2 injections a week.

you can shoot 500mg 1x per week.

what the above poster said is a falacy, and was shown in sethroberts book anabolic pharmacology.

The esters form a "bolus" and thus dont break off one at a time. going fromshortest to longest,.

 

[trippn]

Pins are cheap, bro.

U can shoot it once a week. I like 2x a week.

Most of time pins can be had for bout 50 cents apiece or less. If your cycle is 12 weeks, u would need only 12 more pins. That's about $6.

 

[timmmah]

You can shoot it once a week, if I'm not mistaken it was composed of the different esters so you don't have to go to the doctor just to get shots so often.

 

[Troy1982]

Sus is best shot eod to utilized the prop.

 

[standoe3]

sustanon is best shot every day at what strength? WHY because the prop...thee isnt alot of prop in there so?

I shot mine twice a week at 500 total. great strength gains its good to see if your body can take aas not everybody can without side stay at 500 or even under like 400mg its going to work really good because its your first time fresh recptors

 

[crazyfool405]

you can shoot 500mg 1x per week.

what the above poster said is a falacy, and was shown in sethroberts book anabolic pharmacology.

The esters form a "bolus" and thus dont break off one at a time. going fromshortest to longest,.

Sus is best shot eod to utilized the prop.

not tru read my above qoute.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

not tru read my above qoute.

not to disagree with you crazy, but that is not the conventional ideology behind sustanon.

Many will argue that the esters do cleave off at different rates.

Just saying.

Im not sure what I believe.

alot of old timers will say, test is test.

 

[crazyfool405]

not to disagree with you crazy, but that is not the conventional ideology behind sustanon.

Many will argue that the esters do cleave off at different rates.

Just saying.

Im not sure what I believe.

alot of old timers will say, test is test.

i know i thought the same way till i read seth roberts anabolic pharmacology.

then i was like ok 1x a week injections are good to go less pinning and easier to rotate sites.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

i know i thought the same way till i read seth roberts anabolic pharmacology.

then i was like ok 1x a week injections are good to go less pinning and easier to rotate sites.

yeah no ****

have you done both? EOD or E3D and EW?

if so, and more importantly, could you differentiate?

 

[crazyfool405]

yeah no ****

have you done both? EOD or E3D and EW?

if so, and more importantly, could you differentiate?

i have done 2x a week and EW and no i couldnt tell the difference.

2x a week will result in higher levels due to injecting before half life is over thus acting like a front load. but in terms of how i felt, nothing noticably different.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

i have done 2x a week and EW and no i couldnt tell the difference.

2x a week will result in higher levels due to injecting before half life is over thus acting like a front load. but in terms of how i felt, nothing noticably different.

wow.

More proof of broscience run rampandt.

you know many will argue this subjuct to the death.


maybe i can get my rat to try it and see if there ISNT a difference for him. lol

 

[timmmah]

1. The less you shoot the less of a chance of sterile abscess.
2. The less you shoot the less the cost of pins.
3. The less you shoot the less the pain.
4. Sustanon was designed to be a timed-release version of test that gives equal levels of dosing for a period of time. prop:first 2 days isocaprate: hits after 4 days and depending on the sust, either decanoate or cypionate hits day 7-10 or so.

The OP is asking if he needs more pins or is once a week okay.
The answer is once a week is okay, it's not only not a big deal, it's controversial at best to do anything other than once a week with sust.:fing02:

 

[crazyfool405]

wow.

More proof of broscience run rampandt.

you know many will argue this subjuct to the death.


maybe i can get my rat to try it and see if there ISNT a difference for him. lol

yes well im just relaying info from seths book and my experience.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

yes well im just relaying info from seths book and my experience.

i hear ya man.

 

[timmmah]

Where's the OP? He posted a thread and left it.

 

[forsure]

Listen to the people above, you dont want uneven blood levels.

 

[stullsy]

i know i thought the same way till i read seth roberts anabolic pharmacology.

then i was like ok 1x a week injections are good to go less pinning and easier to rotate sites.

How important is it to rotate injection sites as well??? I'm more of a fan of injecting in my leg b/c I dont have to reach around to try to shoot in my arse and the shoulder would probly be even more of a pain in the ass... I was thinking of just switching legs each week. I get a little sore after injecting, but nothing unbearable which doesnt go away in a days time.

 

[crazyfool405]

How important is it to rotate injection sites as well??? I'm more of a fan of injecting in my leg b/c I dont have to reach around to try to shoot in my arse and the shoulder would probly be even more of a pain in the ass... I was thinking of just switching legs each week. I get a little sore after injecting, but nothing unbearable which doesnt go away in a days time.

you can hit the same spot 1x every week IMO. i built a lot of scar tissue in my delt but i still do it, just going to use a smaller gauge

it is important to rotate sites to help healing and less scar tissue build up

 

[stullsy]

you can hit the same spot 1x every week IMO. i built a lot of scar tissue in my delt but i still do it, just going to use a smaller gauge

it is important to rotate sites to help healing and less scar tissue build up

Cool. Thanks for the info crazy

 

[Troy1982]

not tru read my above qoute.

I did 10 weeks and my roommate did 10 weeks, first cycle for both, he went twice a week and I went eod. I gained 28lbs he gained 9lbs and had sides. EOD is the best way.

 

[crazyfool405]

I did 10 weeks and my roommate did 10 weeks, first cycle for both, he went twice a week and I went eod. I gained 28lbs he gained 9lbs and had sides. EOD is the best way.

you cannot compare those 2 results because

#1 2 different people
#2 you didnt control for anything (diet/training/supplementation)
#3 you also didnt state weight before and after, dose used, and muscle to fat ratio

thats a weak comparison. move on.

 

[Troy1982]

you cannot compare those 2 results because

#1 2 different people
#2 you didnt control for anything (diet/training/supplementation)
#3 you also didnt state weight before and after, dose used, and muscle to fat ratio

thats a weak comparison. move on.

It's all the proof I need plus eod keeps blood levels stable which also means less sides.

 

[crazyfool405]

It's all the proof I need plus eod keeps blood levels stable which also means less sides.

no less sides will depend on the indiviual in particular. EOD dosing will not provide STABLE blood levels as they are ALWAYS climbing. maybe why you got more gains, you ended up qwith a higher test level OR you werent near your potential yet.

 

[Troy1982]

no less sides will depend on the indiviual in particular. EOD dosing will not provide STABLE blood levels as they are ALWAYS climbing. maybe why you got more gains, you ended up qwith a higher test level OR you werent near your potential yet.

I gave my opinion on what I have gathered from research and experience. I'm not here to argue.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

I gave my opinion on what I have gathered from research and experience. I'm not here to argue.

You did state "EOD is the best way".

What research? What Experience?- Your 1 cycle and your buddies? Broscience?

The most common broscience given is EOD.

But I have also heard EW, 2XEW, E3D, MWF, EOD and ED.

Im not hear to argue either, but I do like to get in on any legitimate discussion related to ANY Sustanon dosing protocol.

FWIW, Sustanon by design is supposed to break off esters at different rates in regard of TRT. This way the user has testosterone in his system for several weeks reducing the need for weekly injections.

 

[Troy1982]

You did state "EOD is the best way".

What research? What Experience?- Your 1 cycle and your buddies? Broscience?

The most common broscience given is EOD.

But I have also heard EW, 2XEW, E3D, MWF, EOD and ED.

Im not hear to argue either, but I do like to get in on any legitimate discussion related to ANY Sustanon dosing protocol.

FWIW, Sustanon by design is supposed to break off esters at different rates in regard of TRT. This way the user has testosterone in his system for several weeks reducing the need for weekly injections.

My research is the years I've done of reading and asking experienced users for their insight. My experience is my usage of the sus. I'm done explaining myself.

 

[crazyfool405]

My research is the years I've done of reading and asking experienced users for their insight. My experience is my usage of the sus. I'm done explaining myself.

i used sust and test blends for 9 months straight i know what the deal is.

i sent Seth Roberts a PM maybe hell stop in.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

My research is the years I've done of reading and asking experienced users for their insight. My experience is my usage of the sus. I'm done explaining myself.

No biggie man, I have done the same. Im just here for discussion.

Dont take is so personal.

 

[standoe3]

i think this thread is on sustanon 250 still?
I injected e3d (every third day) for a total 500mg a week.
good results on a ten week cycle gained and lost it all. in 6 months.

 

[sethroberts]

1. The less you shoot the less of a chance of sterile abscess.
2. The less you shoot the less the cost of pins.
3. The less you shoot the less the pain.
4. Sustanon was designed to be a timed-release version of test that gives equal levels of dosing for a period of time. prop:first 2 days isocaprate: hits after 4 days and depending on the sust, either decanoate or cypionate hits day 7-10 or so.

The OP is asking if he needs more pins or is once a week okay.
The answer is once a week is okay, it's not only not a big deal, it's controversial at best to do anything other than once a week with sust.:fing02:

What this guy said. The esters were combined to give steady levels over a period of time. The esters do not cleave in order but all of them do so at some fraction based on their lipohilicity and dose so by the time that the prop has reached its peak and starts to drop off, the next shortest ester (phenylpropionate) is starting to peak etc. This idea of "keeping blood levels stable" is an important one but is being pimped by people who have no concept of pharmacokinetics. If you dose sustanon every other day what you actually wind up with is ever increasing blood concentrations (not stable levels) until steady state is reached.

 

[crazyfool405]

What this guy said. The esters were combined to give steady levels over a period of time. The esters do not cleave in order but all of them do so at some fraction based on their lipohilicity and dose so by the time that the prop has reached its peak and starts to drop off, the next shortest ester (phenylpropionate) is starting to peak etc. This idea of "keeping blood levels stable" is an important one but is being pimped by people who have no concept of pharmacokinetics. If you dose sustanon every other day what you actually wind up with is ever increasing blood concentrations (not stable levels) until steady state is reached.

thanks seth!

everyone needs a copy of your book! sets a lot of things straight!

 

[Kristofer68SS]

What this guy said. The esters were combined to give steady levels over a period of time. The esters do not cleave in order but all of them do so at some fraction based on their lipohilicity and dose so by the time that the prop has reached its peak and starts to drop off, the next shortest ester (phenylpropionate) is starting to peak etc. This idea of "keeping blood levels stable" is an important one but is being pimped by people who have no concept of pharmacokinetics. If you dose sustanon every other day what you actually wind up with is ever increasing blood concentrations (not stable levels) until steady state is reached.

Thank you for the response.

Much appreciated.

 

[sethroberts]

thanks seth!

everyone needs a copy of your book! sets a lot of things straight!

I agree - but I am a little biased. Interesting to note that in the medical literature, sus is given every two weeks with no concerns about keeping levels steady.

 

[crazyfool405]

I agree - but I am a little biased. Interesting to note that in the medical literature, sus is given every two weeks with no concerns about keeping levels steady.

yea what i do is 2x a week injects till my oral jumpstart is done, then 1x a week injections, then taper down at the end.

learned from your book, and thats how i figured i would do it after reading it to build up high levels, then get them steady, and dose down for an easier recovery .

 

[sethroberts]

yea what i do is 2x a week injects till my oral jumpstart is done, then 1x a week injections, then taper down at the end.

learned from your book, and thats how i figured i would do it after reading it to build up high levels, then get them steady, and dose down for an easier recovery .

Good Plan. Legthening time between doses is a good way to taper in addition to reducing doses.

 

[Trauma1]

yea what i do is 2x a week injects till my oral jumpstart is done, then 1x a week injections, then taper down at the end.

learned from your book, and thats how i figured i would do it after reading it to build up high levels, then get them steady, and dose down for an easier recovery .

Good Plan. Legthening time between doses is a good way to taper in addition to reducing doses.

That's exactly what I'm doing in my current cycle (Dbol/Sustaplex). I still have a few more weeks of Dbol to go at this point.

Great book, Seth. Very informative and well articulated.

-John

 

[MarBaSxx]

the prop part of sustanon is very small compared to the whole mix...im guessing eod is BEST but i dont think there would be a huge drop off going once a week

 

[crazyfool405]

the prop part of sustanon is very small compared to the whole mix...im guessing eod is BEST but i dont think there would be a huge drop off going once a week

did you miss seths post? go back and read it for an answer.

 

[MarBaSxx]

did you miss seths post? go back and read it for an answer.

ah yeah...i see now

 

[GearedVader]

Sus is best shot eod to utilized the prop.

EOD is poor advice . . focussing on the prop you are ignoring the active life properties of the other esters . .

because of the cascading effect of the four esters, pinning once a week or even every 8-10 days is desirable . . 750-1,000mg + is a preferable dosage for BB purposes.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

EOD is poor advice . . focussing on the prop you are ignoring the active life properties of the other esters . .

because of the cascading effect of the four esters, pinning once a week or even every 8-10 days is desirable . . 750-1,000mg + is a preferable dosage for BB purposes.

Wrong answer- ^^^^^^^^^This is poor advice.

Can you please reference your once a week protocol and why you think its superior to EOD dosing? Who wants to take 3-4ml of test in one sitting?

This is about the best advice I have seen on the net regarding sust. This is how I would run it.

This is not mine-
Plagerized from net.

There have been several posts recently about guys concerned about sust dosing. Due to sustanon's combination of esters,
it is a little difficult to wrap your head around sometimes. Hopefully this will help clear up some of the confusion.

Sustanon is a Testosterone Blend. Each Lab has its own mix, but generally speaking it will contain 3 to 5 types of Test.
Below are several of the Test Esters that might be found in a sust blend and the half life of each:
Testosterone Acetate (1-3 Days)
Testosterone Propionate (3 Days)
Testosterone Phenylpropionate (3-5 Days)
Testosterone Isocaproate (7-10 Days)
Testosterone Cypionate (7-15 Days)
Testosterone Enanthate (7-15 Days)
Testosterone Decanoate (15-30 Days)

GP's Sust 270 has these amounts per mL:
20 mg/ml Testosterone Acetate
30 mg/ml Testosterone Propionate
60 mg/ml Testosterone Phenylpropionate
60mg/ml Testosterone Isocaproate
100mg/ml Testosterone Decanoate

Axio's Sustaplex 325 has there amounts per mL:
30mg/ml Testosterone Acetate
50mg/ml Testosterone Propionate
50mg/ml Testosterone Phenylpropionate
90 mg/ml Testosterone Cypionate
105mg/ml Testosterone Decanoate

Looking back quickly at the half life of the esters of test, you see that half of those used are fast releasing (around 3 days)
and half are slow releasing (at least 10 days). Now before anything else is explained, I will be comparing a sust cycle to a
Test Enanthate cycle with a Test Prop kickstart. Typically with a Test E cycle, you start to feel the test enanthate kick in
sometime around the 5th week, so I will use week 5 as the Test E fully kicked in for my example.

Ok, so this Test E cycle will look like this:
Weeks 1-10 Test E @ 500mg/week
Weeks 1-5 Test P @ 150mg EOD (this totals 525mg/week)

It is clearly shown here that for weeks 1 to 5 we are taking a total of over 1gram of test. This is split into 500mg Test E which
slowly pools for weeks, and 500mg of Test P which is used up within days. This should be fairly straight forward so far.

Onto the more complicated stuff now... What we are looking for in a cycle is a gradual build-up of test (for about the first week),
followed by several weeks where we want to keep blood levels as steady as possible (usually 500mg/week of test),
followed by a gradual coming-off of test (again, about a week of the test slowly leaving the body).
Sust is an excellent drug to keep these blood levels steady if you inject it properly, and you only need to use 1 compound instead of 2
like in our Test E/P example. The tricky part is figuring out how much test is actually in the body with all these various esters in there.

For the first 5 weeks of a sust cycle, the long esters are not present in numbers high enough to consider useful because they are still
pooling. The only ones we need to worry about during this time are the fast esters. I will use Axio's Sustaplex for this cycle layout,
this consists of 130mg fast esters and 195mg slow esters.
So if we are looking for 500mg/week for these first 5 weeks (using EOD injections) we can easily do this by taking 1ml per injection.
3.5 x 130mg = 455mg/week. (**Note** the 3.5 is how many injections/week you get with EOD shots)

Weeks 1 - 5 Sust @ 1mL EOD

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As the longer esters begin to kick in, you can drop the dose. If at week 6 you drop to 500mg TOTAL test/week (since both fast
and slow esters are both active at this point) we drop to a little under 2ml/week, which works out to 1/2mL EOD.
325mg * 1/2ml = 162.5mg * 3.5inj/week = ~570mg/week

Weeks 6-10 Sust @ .5mL EOD

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This is good enough, but if you want even better blood levels, you will need to taper down the test over the span of a few weeks when the
slow esters begin to kick in.... lets say weeks 4-7. During this time we want between 1ml EOD and .5ml of test EOD....obviously this is .75ml EOD.
325mg * .75 = 243.75mg * 3.5 inj/week = ~850mg/week

Weeks 4-7 Sust @ .75mL EOD

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What does this all give us now?
Weeks 1 - 3 Sust @ 1mL EOD ( ~1140mg/week)
Weeks 4 - 7 Sust @ .75mL EOD (~850mg/week)
Weeks 8-10+ Sust @ .5mL EOD (~570mg/week)

Hopefully this is easy enough to understand. The 1grm/week may look intimidating at first, but by now you should realize it is no
different from what the Test E/Test P doses are.

 

[timmmah]

This is split into 500mg Test E which
slowly pools for weeks,

first 5 weeks of a sust cycle, the long esters are not present in numbers high enough to consider useful because they are still
pooling.

Pooling?

This was just some other guys opinion, it's basically broscience. Just like this, but not as confusing:

Originally Posted by timmmah
1. The less you shoot the less of a chance of sterile abscess.
2. The less you shoot the less the cost of pins.
3. The less you shoot the less the pain.
4. Sustanon was designed to be a timed-release version of test that gives equal levels of dosing for a period of time. prop:first 2 days isocaprate: hits after 4 days and depending on the sust, either decanoate or cypionate hits day 7-10 or so.

The OP is asking if he needs more pins or is once a week okay.
The answer is once a week is okay, it's not only not a big deal, it's controversial at best to do anything other than once a week with sust.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

Pooling?

This was just some other guys opinion, it's basically broscience. Just like this, but not as confusing:

Originally Posted by timmmah
1. The less you shoot the less of a chance of sterile abscess.
2. The less you shoot the less the cost of pins.
3. The less you shoot the less the pain.
4. Sustanon was designed to be a timed-release version of test that gives equal levels of dosing for a period of time. prop:first 2 days isocaprate: hits after 4 days and depending on the sust, either decanoate or cypionate hits day 7-10 or so.

The OP is asking if he needs more pins or is once a week okay.
The answer is once a week is okay, it's not only not a big deal, it's controversial at best to do anything other than once a week with sust.[/QUOTE]




Did you actually read the reference I posted?

I wasnt quoting the OP, I was debating G-Vader's statement of pinning 3-4 ml in one sitting once a week.

I think later in the cycle you can pin once a week, but not in the beginning.

And yes, sust dosing is very controversial.

 

[sethroberts]

It is controversial because most people do not know the first thing about pharmacokinetics.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

It is controversial because most people do not know the first thing about pharmacokinetics.

Well there is ALOT and I mean ALOT of conflicting broscience out there that states to pin ED, EOD, MWF, 2xEW or 1xEW.

At least in the beginning i think it should be EOD, then start cutting back as the cycle progress'.

 

[sethroberts]

Well there is ALOT and I mean ALOT of conflicting broscience out there that states to pin ED, EOD, MWF, 2xEW or 1xEW.

At least in the beginning i think it should be EOD, then start cutting back as the cycle progress'.

Bro-science always tends towards higher doses, more drugs andd more frequent injections.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

Bro-science always tends towards higher doses, more drugs andd more frequent injections.

yes i agree.

I am a less is more kind of guy.

How exactly would you dose a Sustaplex 325 cycle?

Give it up.

I will rep.

 

[sethroberts]

yes i agree.

I am a less is more kind of guy.

How exactly would you dose a Sustaplex 325 cycle?

Give it up.

I will rep.

2 ccs once per week but since, as far as I know, this is an underground product and it has not been tested clinically, that is just a guess based on sustanon 250