Will sustanon still work good if I only do one injection of 500mgs a week?
I dont have enough pins to do 2 injections a week.
I dont have enough pins to do 2 injections a week.
you can shoot 500mg 1x per week.Will sustanon still work good if I only do one injection of 500mgs a week?
I dont have enough pins to do 2 injections a week.
you can shoot 500mg 1x per week.
what the above poster said is a falacy, and was shown in sethroberts book anabolic pharmacology.
The esters form a "bolus" and thus dont break off one at a time. going fromshortest to longest,.
not tru read my above qoute.Sus is best shot eod to utilized the prop.
not to disagree with you crazy, but that is not the conventional ideology behind sustanon.not tru read my above qoute.
i know i thought the same way till i read seth roberts anabolic pharmacology.not to disagree with you crazy, but that is not the conventional ideology behind sustanon.
Many will argue that the esters do cleave off at different rates.
Just saying.
Im not sure what I believe.
alot of old timers will say, test is test.
yeah no ****i know i thought the same way till i read seth roberts anabolic pharmacology.
then i was like ok 1x a week injections are good to go less pinning and easier to rotate sites.
i have done 2x a week and EW and no i couldnt tell the difference.yeah no ****
have you done both? EOD or E3D and EW?
if so, and more importantly, could you differentiate?
wow.i have done 2x a week and EW and no i couldnt tell the difference.
2x a week will result in higher levels due to injecting before half life is over thus acting like a front load. but in terms of how i felt, nothing noticably different.
yes well im just relaying info from seths book and my experience.wow.
More proof of broscience run rampandt.
you know many will argue this subjuct to the death.
maybe i can get my rat to try it and see if there ISNT a difference for him. lol
i hear ya man.yes well im just relaying info from seths book and my experience.
How important is it to rotate injection sites as well??? I'm more of a fan of injecting in my leg b/c I dont have to reach around to try to shoot in my arse and the shoulder would probly be even more of a pain in the ass... I was thinking of just switching legs each week. I get a little sore after injecting, but nothing unbearable which doesnt go away in a days time.i know i thought the same way till i read seth roberts anabolic pharmacology.
then i was like ok 1x a week injections are good to go less pinning and easier to rotate sites.
you can hit the same spot 1x every week IMO. i built a lot of scar tissue in my delt but i still do it, just going to use a smaller gaugeHow important is it to rotate injection sites as well??? I'm more of a fan of injecting in my leg b/c I dont have to reach around to try to shoot in my arse and the shoulder would probly be even more of a pain in the ass... I was thinking of just switching legs each week. I get a little sore after injecting, but nothing unbearable which doesnt go away in a days time.
Cool. Thanks for the info crazyyou can hit the same spot 1x every week IMO. i built a lot of scar tissue in my delt but i still do it, just going to use a smaller gauge
it is important to rotate sites to help healing and less scar tissue build up
I did 10 weeks and my roommate did 10 weeks, first cycle for both, he went twice a week and I went eod. I gained 28lbs he gained 9lbs and had sides. EOD is the best way.not tru read my above qoute.
you cannot compare those 2 results becauseI did 10 weeks and my roommate did 10 weeks, first cycle for both, he went twice a week and I went eod. I gained 28lbs he gained 9lbs and had sides. EOD is the best way.
It's all the proof I need plus eod keeps blood levels stable which also means less sides.you cannot compare those 2 results because
#1 2 different people
#2 you didnt control for anything (diet/training/supplementation)
#3 you also didnt state weight before and after, dose used, and muscle to fat ratio
thats a weak comparison. move on.
no less sides will depend on the indiviual in particular. EOD dosing will not provide STABLE blood levels as they are ALWAYS climbing. maybe why you got more gains, you ended up qwith a higher test level OR you werent near your potential yet.It's all the proof I need plus eod keeps blood levels stable which also means less sides.
I gave my opinion on what I have gathered from research and experience. I'm not here to argue.no less sides will depend on the indiviual in particular. EOD dosing will not provide STABLE blood levels as they are ALWAYS climbing. maybe why you got more gains, you ended up qwith a higher test level OR you werent near your potential yet.
You did state "EOD is the best way".I gave my opinion on what I have gathered from research and experience. I'm not here to argue.
My research is the years I've done of reading and asking experienced users for their insight. My experience is my usage of the sus. I'm done explaining myself.You did state "EOD is the best way".
What research? What Experience?- Your 1 cycle and your buddies? Broscience?
The most common broscience given is EOD.
But I have also heard EW, 2XEW, E3D, MWF, EOD and ED.
Im not hear to argue either, but I do like to get in on any legitimate discussion related to ANY Sustanon dosing protocol.
FWIW, Sustanon by design is supposed to break off esters at different rates in regard of TRT. This way the user has testosterone in his system for several weeks reducing the need for weekly injections.
i used sust and test blends for 9 months straight i know what the deal is.My research is the years I've done of reading and asking experienced users for their insight. My experience is my usage of the sus. I'm done explaining myself.
No biggie man, I have done the same. Im just here for discussion.My research is the years I've done of reading and asking experienced users for their insight. My experience is my usage of the sus. I'm done explaining myself.
What this guy said. The esters were combined to give steady levels over a period of time. The esters do not cleave in order but all of them do so at some fraction based on their lipohilicity and dose so by the time that the prop has reached its peak and starts to drop off, the next shortest ester (phenylpropionate) is starting to peak etc. This idea of "keeping blood levels stable" is an important one but is being pimped by people who have no concept of pharmacokinetics. If you dose sustanon every other day what you actually wind up with is ever increasing blood concentrations (not stable levels) until steady state is reached.1. The less you shoot the less of a chance of sterile abscess.
2. The less you shoot the less the cost of pins.
3. The less you shoot the less the pain.
4. Sustanon was designed to be a timed-release version of test that gives equal levels of dosing for a period of time. prop:first 2 days isocaprate: hits after 4 days and depending on the sust, either decanoate or cypionate hits day 7-10 or so.
The OP is asking if he needs more pins or is once a week okay.
The answer is once a week is okay, it's not only not a big deal, it's controversial at best to do anything other than once a week with sust.:fing02:
thanks seth!What this guy said. The esters were combined to give steady levels over a period of time. The esters do not cleave in order but all of them do so at some fraction based on their lipohilicity and dose so by the time that the prop has reached its peak and starts to drop off, the next shortest ester (phenylpropionate) is starting to peak etc. This idea of "keeping blood levels stable" is an important one but is being pimped by people who have no concept of pharmacokinetics. If you dose sustanon every other day what you actually wind up with is ever increasing blood concentrations (not stable levels) until steady state is reached.
Thank you for the response.What this guy said. The esters were combined to give steady levels over a period of time. The esters do not cleave in order but all of them do so at some fraction based on their lipohilicity and dose so by the time that the prop has reached its peak and starts to drop off, the next shortest ester (phenylpropionate) is starting to peak etc. This idea of "keeping blood levels stable" is an important one but is being pimped by people who have no concept of pharmacokinetics. If you dose sustanon every other day what you actually wind up with is ever increasing blood concentrations (not stable levels) until steady state is reached.
I agree - but I am a little biased. Interesting to note that in the medical literature, sus is given every two weeks with no concerns about keeping levels steady.thanks seth!
everyone needs a copy of your book! sets a lot of things straight!
yea what i do is 2x a week injects till my oral jumpstart is done, then 1x a week injections, then taper down at the end.I agree - but I am a little biased. Interesting to note that in the medical literature, sus is given every two weeks with no concerns about keeping levels steady.
Good Plan. Legthening time between doses is a good way to taper in addition to reducing doses.yea what i do is 2x a week injects till my oral jumpstart is done, then 1x a week injections, then taper down at the end.
learned from your book, and thats how i figured i would do it after reading it to build up high levels, then get them steady, and dose down for an easier recovery .
yea what i do is 2x a week injects till my oral jumpstart is done, then 1x a week injections, then taper down at the end.
learned from your book, and thats how i figured i would do it after reading it to build up high levels, then get them steady, and dose down for an easier recovery .
That's exactly what I'm doing in my current cycle (Dbol/Sustaplex). I still have a few more weeks of Dbol to go at this point.Good Plan. Legthening time between doses is a good way to taper in addition to reducing doses.
did you miss seths post? go back and read it for an answer.the prop part of sustanon is very small compared to the whole mix...im guessing eod is BEST but i dont think there would be a huge drop off going once a week
ah yeah...i see nowdid you miss seths post? go back and read it for an answer.
EOD is poor advice . . focussing on the prop you are ignoring the active life properties of the other esters . .Sus is best shot eod to utilized the prop.
Wrong answer- ^^^^^^^^^This is poor advice.EOD is poor advice . . focussing on the prop you are ignoring the active life properties of the other esters . .
because of the cascading effect of the four esters, pinning once a week or even every 8-10 days is desirable . . 750-1,000mg + is a preferable dosage for BB purposes.
This is split into 500mg Test E which
slowly pools for weeks,
Pooling?first 5 weeks of a sust cycle, the long esters are not present in numbers high enough to consider useful because they are still
pooling.
Pooling?
This was just some other guys opinion, it's basically broscience. Just like this, but not as confusing:
Originally Posted by timmmah
1. The less you shoot the less of a chance of sterile abscess.
2. The less you shoot the less the cost of pins.
3. The less you shoot the less the pain.
4. Sustanon was designed to be a timed-release version of test that gives equal levels of dosing for a period of time. prop:first 2 days isocaprate: hits after 4 days and depending on the sust, either decanoate or cypionate hits day 7-10 or so.
The OP is asking if he needs more pins or is once a week okay.
The answer is once a week is okay, it's not only not a big deal, it's controversial at best to do anything other than once a week with sust.[/QUOTE]
Did you actually read the reference I posted?
I wasnt quoting the OP, I was debating G-Vader's statement of pinning 3-4 ml in one sitting once a week.
I think later in the cycle you can pin once a week, but not in the beginning.
And yes, sust dosing is very controversial.
Well there is ALOT and I mean ALOT of conflicting broscience out there that states to pin ED, EOD, MWF, 2xEW or 1xEW.It is controversial because most people do not know the first thing about pharmacokinetics.
Bro-science always tends towards higher doses, more drugs andd more frequent injections.Well there is ALOT and I mean ALOT of conflicting broscience out there that states to pin ED, EOD, MWF, 2xEW or 1xEW.
At least in the beginning i think it should be EOD, then start cutting back as the cycle progress'.
yes i agree.Bro-science always tends towards higher doses, more drugs andd more frequent injections.
2 ccs once per week but since, as far as I know, this is an underground product and it has not been tested clinically, that is just a guess based on sustanon 250yes i agree.
I am a less is more kind of guy.
How exactly would you dose a Sustaplex 325 cycle?
Give it up.
I will rep.
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