Dianabol only or prohormones
- 04-05-2010, 03:13 PM
Dianabol only or prohormones
hi, currently im cutting on the anabolic diet and it is summer, im cutting to 9 percent bodyfat, currently at eleven. This should not take me very long so I am considering a bulking cycle while still using the anabolic diet.
I know Dianabol is tested, and works, I also know I will hurt my liver, and loose 80 percent of my gains because of edema. I am not scared of needles just scared of test. and using two steroids.
My father takes test, he says he feels like a big horny chemical, and I dont want to be that horned up. I do not want to take so much androgens for my first time and if I have a bad reaction to test you cant stop the reaction for a while if your on cypionate.
Orals seem easier to manage side affects
I am 23 been lifting for a 5 years. Im only at one eighty because I raely go over ten percent bodyfat before cutting and im a middle class boy I cant afford to eeat as much as I should.
So steroids or prohormones are my options, This is my first cycle.
I was going to do h drol, but for seven pounds its stupid. I want a keepable 12. So i figure I can blow up fake 20 pounds plus on the d bol. If I keep ten than i will love it.
I do have several prohormones on my shelf, d-zine,tren. but with all the supports and things you need for tren prohormones make that seem to complex. I dont want to take cabergoline, vitex, b6, and the slew of many others just want a simple, strong cycle that gives me ten keepable pounds and a strong ON look. at least you get big for a while and keep the same amount as a standard prohormone.
Some would say take superdrol. The sex sides blow, as does shin splints,anger headaches, and none of them seem to produce a strong on look. not worth my time, I want to enjoy myself.
Would dermacrine help? as a sort of test base?
My proposed cycle Is 30 mg d bol for eight weeks.
250 iu of hcg every four days.on cycle
nolva for pct 40/40/20/20
with testoserone recovery stack from primordiol and paravol.
proscar and cycle support.
- 04-05-2010, 04:17 PM
Your reasons for not taking Test seem irrational. Testosterone is surely the safest steroid you can take and has the best gains to sides ratio when it comes to packing on mass. For most people, even noobs, 500-750mg/week of Test will result in little to no negative side effects (aside from acne, which can be controlled) while packing on large amounts of lean mass.
True, it will take some extra days for it to be out of your system, but the chances of you having uncomfortable side effects while on Test is extremely low. Especially side effects that you wouldn't have with Dianabol.
Oh, and "pro-hormones" and "steroids" are all the same thing as far as the user is concerned. In regards to practical application, it really doesn't make a difference if it converts to a steroid before or after you ingest it, the risks are still the same if not more (compound dependent). The main difference is the popular illegal stuff has been used for decades and there is a lot clinical research establishing the safety of these compounds when used correctly. The OTC steroid market (or, as some people refer to as "pro-hormones") differ mainly in that they do NOT have clinical backing and the only reason they are popular is that they are so easily accessible. Outside of Superdrol, the OTC market really doesn't offer anything that you can't get from the popular illegal stuff.
- 04-05-2010, 04:42 PM
anyone ever heard of double dragon sos 500 im using it right now and i need some help on a pct i know i need SERM in it so idk which to choose reversitol v2 or advanced pct
04-05-2010, 05:23 PM
Yeah, I know d bol will make me horny, just worried about adding test, at that rate il be bangin my girl all day and when its over and i have a limp spaghetti noodle down there it wont come back as fast if I only had take one androgenic steroid. Im just betting on less supression. All I want is ten lean pounds. Why do people hate on d bol only? bodybuilders have been big since the 70's and in the and 80's. d bol only was big business. WAS should still be
04-05-2010, 06:22 PM
There likely won't be a significant difference in libido with Dianabol solo versus Dianabol + Test E. It's not like your libido will keep increasing indefinitely the more steroids you do. In fact, there is a point where the reverse begins to happen.
Dianabol is one of my favorite compounds and I'm not "hating" on a solo cycle. That said, I would never bother with such a cycle considering how many superior options there are. Yeah, it works. Yeah, you will be able to keep some lean mass. But, even though shutdown will likely be just as severe, the gains won't nearly compare to a cycle with 500-750mg/week of Test. Not at all. So far you haven't articulated a good reason for not using Test. Do what you want, I'm just pointing out the obvious.
04-05-2010, 10:52 PM
I think that you wil be more happy using the test, i just finished my first cycle of 500mg week for 10 weeks and i am more than happy, great gains and great feeling no sides no bloat.
04-06-2010, 01:02 AM
You sound right libertarian, Im sorry if I was coming off as rude. I meant why are people hating on dbol solo because other sites and nearly every forum site I checked the majority of people taking steroids hate on this cycle. I have considered turanibol but at the end of it the cycle gains are ten to 15 pounds kept, I feeel d bol could do the same but at some point you look huge, I like the wet look, I have zero quarrels about bloat. More water is great as long as i keep ten pound I will be stoked. I do admit my test fear is irrational and will consider using it if I can afford it. I will be taking cypionate. I can get other forms of test for the same price but Id rather inject less often. What is the minimal dose of cypionate needed. and thanks for any and all opinions
04-06-2010, 01:04 AM
but I believe in eight weeks in total ten seems to be excessive. This is old school hormone use right. werent old cycles typically 8 weeks and buy that I mean last injection on the sixth week.
04-06-2010, 01:38 AM
im not really a history buff on cycles but i can tell you that the majority of test based cycles as of now are generally at least 10 weeks, usually 12, and with the correct ancillaries and on cycle drugs in place some others run up to 20 weeks, then of course there is the blast and cruise.
Im not going to say whats most effective cause i have only run cycles a minimum of 12 weeks.
And i have run a single dbol only cycle, and i enjoyed it however i do not see it any way being superior to test in terms of size (after pct), but if you are looking for some good strength gains dbol is very effective at this.
04-06-2010, 07:05 AM
Dbol can be a great kick start and can be amazing for strength gains when combined with faster acting substances but its side affects also very person by person. For me 50mg ED after three weeks starts killing my appetite and makes me want to lay on the couch all day. For me, running 8 weeks of it would be quite aggravating.
The reason test is recommended as a base is because its the safest and most effective. If you start with that you cant go wrong and then can add other compounds to it down the road.
I think you may also be over estimating the power of testosterone in libido enhancement. Sure it can make you feel younger, but its not going to turn you into a unstoppable sex machine.
04-06-2010, 11:47 AM
okay well im all for doing test than, I personally no someone/ my father who is on test and he wont stop looking at porn! all day long, plus he is edgy and loud. He is only on one cc a week which I believe is 200 mg. He tells me that anyone on here recomending 500mg are just other bodybuilders trying to hurt other lifters. I dont agree with him but I do think one cc is enough. Now keep in mind my test will come from some internet site where his comes straight from a pharmacy made in the usa not china. Does this matter in terms of dosage.
04-06-2010, 11:49 AM
I may go up to ten weeks but if that is the case I will drop the d bol sooner. when would you guys drop it. 6th week or 8th
04-06-2010, 12:43 PM
Uncomfortable sides from Test typically arise with much higher doses and you wouldn't necessarily notice much a difference from 250mg/week versus 500mg/week, but the difference in gains would be very significant.
If you run Test E or C, then the "standard" idea is to run Dianabol for about the first 4 weeks or so while the Test kicks in. However, I personally think it's good to also run Dianabol at the end of your cycle as your Test levels are dropping off, if even for just the last 2 weeks. Regardless, do to liver strain, I wouldn't want to run Dianabol more than 6 weeks straight.
04-07-2010, 07:04 AM
The dose your dad is on is meant to replace or augment is existing testosterone and bring it to levels of a younger man but not necessarily help him put on 20lbs in 10 weeks. No disrespect to your dad, but I would suspect that there's a significant placebo effect if his behavior is radically changed.
In regards to the difference between the pharmaceutical grade and product you may be getting, it really depends on how much you trust the supplier and what type it is. If its made in a UG, then it could be either underdosed or overdosed or spot on depending on the UG.
IMO homebrew is the way to go as you have direct control over the product you're making.
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