Grahamefc
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I've been doing alot of reading and research lately into shorter steroid cycles, I posted a few weeks ago into using long esterified steroids in shorter cycles and got some really interesting feedback, but have decided that its not for me, as if I can help it I'd like to avoid pinning every day.
Now I've come across Bill Roberts 2 on 4 off theory.
I was planning on trying this out and guinea pigging myself to see how effective this is.
I've done two previous steroid cycles both which lasted 12 weeks, and both took me an age to recover from, even with the use of HCG. My first cycle was 500mg Test E for 12 weeks, my second cycle was the same only with the addition of 400mg Deca for 10 weeks. I got good gains while on cycle but did lose a fair bit when coming off, and my sex drive was way down for a good while.
Bill's theory means that recovery happens alot quicker, because in theory the pituatary shouldn't be shutdown after only two weeks use. This really appeals to me! If recovery is quicker then gains are more maintanable, plus I keep my nuts and sex drive!
Now I know gains won't be huge, I'm not looking for monster gains, but I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather keep alot of a 10-14lb net gain (over 4 of these such cycles, which is 8 weeks cycling) than only keep a small percentage of a 20lb gain (as in one straight 8 week cycle)
From other boards and information I have gathered I hear alot of people say that 4 on 4 off is a better way to go, but I feel that time on equalling time off is slighlty too aggressive, I want recovery to be a synch and for that reason I'd like to try 4 of these 2 on 4 off cycles, plus 4 on 4 off is not what Bill Roberts case study involved or what his theory advocates. (For those of you who haven't seen the case study it was very successful! The guy made great gains and his bloodwork was fine.)
I have enough gear to run at least four of these cycles back to back. If I can get a net return of 10 -14 lbs from those four cycles without huge HPTA surpression I'd be ecstatic.
However, I'd really like some help in putting my first two week run together. (Aswell as the next three when the time comes!)
The drugs I have available to me are as follows :-
Test Prop 100mg/ml
Tren Acetate 76mg/ml and I also have Tren Acetate 100mg/ml
Dianabol 10mg tabs
All of my previous cycles have been with longer acting steroids, so I'm not used to pinning every day and I'd like to avoid this if possible. I've also never used Trenbolone before and the dreaded "Tren cough" scares the sh!t out of me! So if I can help it I'd like to leave the trenbolone for the second or third two week run.
With that in mind, I'd come up with this :-
Day 1 - frontload with 400mg Test Prop, Then 200mg Test Prop EOD, along with 40mg dianabol ED.
Ancillaries I'd run Adex .5 ED. PCT would be 2 weeks Tamoxifen 20mg ED.
I'd then have 2 weeks off completely, then start my 2nd 2 week run.
Given Bill Roberts theory, do you think this would be a good first run? Do you think it would be more beneficial to run the prop ED at 100mg, seen as I'm only on for 2 weeks? I really don't want to inject ED unless its vital! Do you think I need the tren in there from the start because of the short amount of time "on"? Again I'd like to try and avoid this.
I know there's nay sayers out there who are against the idea of 2 on 4 off, but I'd like to try it. If anybody has opinions on how I could improve it (providing you know what Bill's theory is!) or if anybody has any first hand experience please chime in and let me know. I'm really interested in seeing what shutdown and recovery is like, and whether the smaller gains will be easier maintained!
If your just going to tell me how rubbish it will be without ever having tried it yourself, or your going to tell me I won't gain as much in two weeks as I would in twelve (which is blatantly obvious!) then please don't bother.
I'll compare my gains after the four runs (with your guys help!) to the gains I made on my two previous 12 weeks straight cycles, which was about 10lbs kept from each.
I've been doing alot of reading and research lately into shorter steroid cycles, I posted a few weeks ago into using long esterified steroids in shorter cycles and got some really interesting feedback, but have decided that its not for me, as if I can help it I'd like to avoid pinning every day.
Now I've come across Bill Roberts 2 on 4 off theory.
I was planning on trying this out and guinea pigging myself to see how effective this is.
I've done two previous steroid cycles both which lasted 12 weeks, and both took me an age to recover from, even with the use of HCG. My first cycle was 500mg Test E for 12 weeks, my second cycle was the same only with the addition of 400mg Deca for 10 weeks. I got good gains while on cycle but did lose a fair bit when coming off, and my sex drive was way down for a good while.
Bill's theory means that recovery happens alot quicker, because in theory the pituatary shouldn't be shutdown after only two weeks use. This really appeals to me! If recovery is quicker then gains are more maintanable, plus I keep my nuts and sex drive!
Now I know gains won't be huge, I'm not looking for monster gains, but I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather keep alot of a 10-14lb net gain (over 4 of these such cycles, which is 8 weeks cycling) than only keep a small percentage of a 20lb gain (as in one straight 8 week cycle)
From other boards and information I have gathered I hear alot of people say that 4 on 4 off is a better way to go, but I feel that time on equalling time off is slighlty too aggressive, I want recovery to be a synch and for that reason I'd like to try 4 of these 2 on 4 off cycles, plus 4 on 4 off is not what Bill Roberts case study involved or what his theory advocates. (For those of you who haven't seen the case study it was very successful! The guy made great gains and his bloodwork was fine.)
I have enough gear to run at least four of these cycles back to back. If I can get a net return of 10 -14 lbs from those four cycles without huge HPTA surpression I'd be ecstatic.
However, I'd really like some help in putting my first two week run together. (Aswell as the next three when the time comes!)
The drugs I have available to me are as follows :-
Test Prop 100mg/ml
Tren Acetate 76mg/ml and I also have Tren Acetate 100mg/ml
Dianabol 10mg tabs
All of my previous cycles have been with longer acting steroids, so I'm not used to pinning every day and I'd like to avoid this if possible. I've also never used Trenbolone before and the dreaded "Tren cough" scares the sh!t out of me! So if I can help it I'd like to leave the trenbolone for the second or third two week run.
With that in mind, I'd come up with this :-
Day 1 - frontload with 400mg Test Prop, Then 200mg Test Prop EOD, along with 40mg dianabol ED.
Ancillaries I'd run Adex .5 ED. PCT would be 2 weeks Tamoxifen 20mg ED.
I'd then have 2 weeks off completely, then start my 2nd 2 week run.
Given Bill Roberts theory, do you think this would be a good first run? Do you think it would be more beneficial to run the prop ED at 100mg, seen as I'm only on for 2 weeks? I really don't want to inject ED unless its vital! Do you think I need the tren in there from the start because of the short amount of time "on"? Again I'd like to try and avoid this.
I know there's nay sayers out there who are against the idea of 2 on 4 off, but I'd like to try it. If anybody has opinions on how I could improve it (providing you know what Bill's theory is!) or if anybody has any first hand experience please chime in and let me know. I'm really interested in seeing what shutdown and recovery is like, and whether the smaller gains will be easier maintained!
If your just going to tell me how rubbish it will be without ever having tried it yourself, or your going to tell me I won't gain as much in two weeks as I would in twelve (which is blatantly obvious!) then please don't bother.
I'll compare my gains after the four runs (with your guys help!) to the gains I made on my two previous 12 weeks straight cycles, which was about 10lbs kept from each.