Summer Cut

[bigpapa]

OK guys..here it is. Next cycle to get prepped for summer. Starting around April 15th. I have cut down from about 255 to a morning weight of 217 and now have top four visible abs, which is a first ever for me. Two choices I wanted to do:

Test Prop/Tren Ace/Winstrol

or

Test Prop/Tren Ace/Anavar

Ive used anavar twice and love it. I was just curious on what you guys think about these two stacks and the synergy between the compounds.

[nosnmiveins]

either one would be great. its a tough decision between the 2. if uve had success with var then i would stick with that

[bigpapa]

thanks for the reply..yeah i love the var i get from my guy. it is ridiculous. i was doing some research tho suggesting that Tren and Winstrol work better together due to winstrol being a DHT.

[nosnmiveins]

yeah there are differences between var and winny, but in my opinion very small differences. as u mentioned winstrol is a DHT, but it also has the likelyhood of killing ur joints where anavar is fine on the joints.

winny is basically poor mans var (IMO). some will say there are big differences....we all know how that goes...

[slacker86]

my vote is for the var, the whinny can cause problems with the joints and with the extra strength u will have from the tren chances are ur gonna want ur joints to be strong.

[bigpapa]

very true. thanks for the comments. Var it is.

[johnnyjuice]

I would also go with the var if you love it and it is working. They both are nice thou,but like nosnmiveins said what works best is what i would go with.winny is basically poor mans var. lol

[synergyAM]

I was looking to do this cycle as well. What are you dosing at and for how long?

[bigpapa]

10 weeks.

test prop 100mgs, tren 50mg eod
anavar last 6 weeks at prob 100mgs.

test and tren might be bumped up depending how i feel.

[CamaroMan68]

Hey guys,
Im actually looking into doing the same kinda cycle. Im going to add Clen in around week 3 of a 8 week cycle. I was looking at Test prop 100mgs & Tren A 75 mg EOD for the first 2 weeks then adding in Clen at 40 mcg ED, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Then adding in Winni at 50 mgs the last 3 weeks. I train a lot in Muay Thai and Ju Jitsu so the joint side effects of winnie arent sounding the best, I might be switching to anavar. I had some concerns about the Tren side effects on cardio and blood pressure. Ill be supplementing Hawthorn berry and celery seed to lower and maintain a regular blood pressure. Does anyone have any experience on the Tren side effects or recommendations for this cycle? Thanks

[edwitt]

Hey guys,
Im actually looking into doing the same kinda cycle. Im going to add Clen in around week 3 of a 8 week cycle. I was looking at Test prop 100mgs & Tren A 75 mg EOD for the first 2 weeks then adding in Clen at 40 mcg ED, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Then adding in Winni at 50 mgs the last 3 weeks. I train a lot in Muay Thai and Ju Jitsu so the joint side effects of winnie arent sounding the best, I might be switching to anavar. I had some concerns about the Tren side effects on cardio and blood pressure. Ill be supplementing Hawthorn berry and celery seed to lower and maintain a regular blood pressure. Does anyone have any experience on the Tren side effects or recommendations for this cycle? Thanks

Tren def effects people in different ways but here is my experience, elevated BP, night sweats, 2 days of severe headaches which passed and did not recur, oily skin with some mild acne and closed me down hard (had blood taken) so for me it would be important to run HCG from day one as per Swales Protocol

[CamaroMan68]

Thanks for the quick response, I've read all about those effects but it seems those are related to higher doses? If you dont mind, what size of a dose were you running? Did you like the results from Tren? I've read so many good things about and Im getting pretty excited to try it

[nosnmiveins]

Thanks for the quick response, I've read all about those effects but it seems those are related to higher doses? If you dont mind, what size of a dose were you running? Did you like the results from Tren? I've read so many good things about and Im getting pretty excited to try it

just remember that with 90% of tren users, u will get just as many negative sides as u will positive.

strength will go up, and u will lean out if diet is spot on. but be prepared for mood swings, lethargy like a motherf ucker, dark smelly piss (even if ur getting down plenty of water), sweating at night, horrible endurance (even just walking around will have u winded).....this was all at 75mg ed

[edwitt]

Thanks for the quick response, I've read all about those effects but it seems those are related to higher doses? If you dont mind, what size of a dose were you running? Did you like the results from Tren? I've read so many good things about and Im getting pretty excited to try it

90mg ED yes like it a lot for me definitely worth the sides

[edwitt]

just remember that with 90% of tren users, u will get just as many negative sides as u will positive.

strength will go up, and u will lean out if diet is spot on. but be prepared for mood swings, lethargy like a motherf ucker, dark smelly piss (even if ur getting down plenty of water), sweating at night, horrible endurance (even just walking around will have u winded).....this was all at 75mg ed

Lol yes forgot about the dark smelly piss. Guess I'm one the lucky 10%, no lethargy or mood swings but yes they are very common with users

[CamaroMan68]

So I guess from what I'm hearing, Cycling Tren 75mg EOD would not be a good idea if I plan to train 3 hours of kickboxing and ju jitsu a day then? The negative cardio effects are killing my thoughts on using it

[nosnmiveins]

So I guess from what I'm hearing, Cycling Tren 75mg EOD would not be a good idea if I plan to train 3 hours of kickboxing and ju jitsu a day then? The negative cardio effects are killing my thoughts on using it

stick with test-e c or p, eq, winny, and var

[tim1985]

Lol yes forgot about the dark smelly piss. Guess I'm one the lucky 10%, no lethargy or mood swings but yes they are very common with users

He's talking about real trenbolone, not the designer tren

[nosnmiveins]

He's talking about real trenbolone, not the designer tren

u are correct, sorry for the confusion. ppl need to start saying "designer tren" or "tren" (including quotations)....lets get sh!t straight here ppl

[CamaroMan68]

Would taking a smaller dose, the 75 mg or even 50 mg, reduce the sides of "tren", I looked into "eq" before and I wont be able to run it the full 12 weeks everyone recommends.