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    first cycle critique please?


    hey, I took everyones advice and did more research on starting a cycle of test and d bol.

    Test propanate eod injections at 350mg for 8 weeks.
    dbol-due to the amount I have 20 mg for 50 days/6 weeks
    HCG-250iu every four days

    PCT.-question? should this start two weeks after last injection to let the body start a plight towards homeostasis or since prop is a short ester should I start sooner?
    I want overkill!
    NO NOODLE **** FOR ME.

    Tamoxifen citrate starting at 40mg and weening off.
    Formex by IBE not for e control but more for umf in the gym. and bedroom
    SARM S4 for gym/energy/mood/ performance-cem product
    Dermatherm for cortisol control
    bronkaid-has ephedra-just good for getting hyped-low dose not high enough to burn fat.
    creatine
    testosterone recovery stack from primordial performance
    and maybe diesel test or activate extreme.

    This pct is expensive I know so if you think the products are redundant tell me, If you suggest a different pct please keep in mind that I still want overkill, I want no chances since I have family history of low fertility. Seeing how I am only alive due to hcg and perganal which Im sure is spelled wrong. My dad has been calling me a hcg baby

    Should powerfull be in there? MY pct in general is mainly to stop fat loss and keep my rod working.

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    Why not run the dbol at 30mg for 4 weeks? Also are you dosing the Test at 350mg per week or 350mg at every injection?
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    at every injection. That d bol dosing does sound good. I think I will switch to that. Does Pct sound good?
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    The only product you have up there for pct that i have used is diesel test and nolvadex lol Im thinking for your first cycle that you should only use 600mg a week of test. 350mg EOD is very high for someone that is new to the injection game. I would rather be safe than sorry.
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    Yeah I will head that advice. Thanks man this is good help.
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    Why not run test e or c instead of test prop? Less injections for a first time user just seems more logical to me.
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    I'm not sure about the SARM S4 during PCT myself..but I could be wrong. I wouldnt use that myself. Keep the Nolva and Formex BUT dont overdose the Formex during PCT otherwise you'll not have enough estrogen and could slow the process of your libido recovering and such..I would keep the PP's TRS. I have used this and it is very good. Really..TRS and Nolva are plenty for PCT. But it wouldnt hurt to add DTH as it works pretty well too. I've actually used all of these and while my PCT would differ slightly..I would say your headed in a safe direction but just rather expensive..
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    pct is overkill IMHO.

    run real Nolva/Clomid pct. i'd also run 2wks of clen in there as well to help pull off anything you put on during. which wont be much due to the prop.

    i'd say keep it simple and spend the money on food. i stopped running a preworkout at all and feel way better now. to me i'm able to judge my body way better during a workout rather than crashing or zoned out feeling, ect. everyone is different though!

    also stopped playing with ephedra when i tried clen.

    goodluck on your cycle!
    you MAY want to have a backup source for some test-e or cyp. you can get your hands on quick if your body doesnt like the prop. Therefore you can switch over and never miss a beat, rather than stopping the cycle or feeling like crap for the remainder.
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    throw some EQ in there as a base. might as well.
    start 2 wks early if you can, 300 a week, then if your cycle is 10wks just stop at wk 8, its a slow ester. so you want it ending near same time as your prop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txfrc View Post
    throw some EQ in there as a base. might as well.
    start 2 wks early if you can, 300 a week, then if your cycle is 10wks just stop at wk 8, its a slow ester. so you want it ending near same time as your prop.


    its a first cycle, suggesting him to run clen and EQ "as a base" is not a very good suggestion.

    but otherwise good input
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    Thanks I may go test c, since its way cheaper right now, Currently I have clomid I have not yet gotten the nolva but will by the end of the week. As for throwing EQ as a base Im a little scared to be taking three steroids for the first time. The trs from primordial seems good, I have yet to read anything bad. So what about Sarms? Is this suppressive in anyway, I thought it might just replace the on feeling while crashing. Really im blind about sarms in general, whats the low down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    its a first cycle, suggesting him to run clen and EQ "as a base" is not a very good suggestion.

    but otherwise good input
    well, the clen would be in pct for only two weeks. he also has complete control over how many mcg he intakes. and since he has seemed to done ephedra before, i was just suggesting that as a 'safer' alternative.

    and on the EQ, compared to cyp or tren or dbol, its pretty damn mild and slow ester, was just recommending that as something besides a cyp only cycle. may get a tad better results with no real sides.

    i'm running my first now. and just preloaded my cycle with 600wk eq then dropping it to 300 when the prop comes in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greekgeorge View Post
    Thanks I may go test c, since its way cheaper right now, Currently I have clomid I have not yet gotten the nolva but will by the end of the week. As for throwing EQ as a base Im a little scared to be taking three steroids for the first time. The trs from primordial seems good, I have yet to read anything bad. So what about Sarms? Is this suppressive in anyway, I thought it might just replace the on feeling while crashing. Really im blind about sarms in general, whats the low down?

    i'd try the cyp then. you may not enjoy pinning EOD.
    the cyp isnt going to be *as* clean of gains as the prop. and with the dbol compared to var or a-drol. you will be putting on a little more water. may want to keep this in mind.

    props for getting all this squared away and asking questions before going into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txfrc View Post
    i'm running my first now. and just preloaded my cycle with 600wk eq then dropping it to 300 when the prop comes in.
    You're running your first cycle now, but you're giving him advice? I mean come one man, really? He should start with a test base product first. A long Ester like Test-C is the number one pick with anyone I know. Also, why would you want to run a long ester for only 8 weeks? Just because he is doing 10 weeks of prop doesn't mean he shouldn't run 10 weeks of test-c with it(If he was any experienced user, not meant for 1st cycle). By running a long ester all it means is that it will be in his system for about 2 weeks after his last injection, which leaves more time for extra gains and then after those 2 weeks he can start PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraker View Post
    You're running your first cycle now, but you're giving him advice? I mean come one man, really? He should start with a test base product first.
    i agree, i'm just giving my unbiased advice of what i am doing and what i've spent a few months researching. i didnt say anywhere that i'm more qualified than anyone!

    ALL i'm saying is that coming from his original post of Prop AND Dbol...that cyp and a low amount of eq is milder than his original idea. yet would be effective. or cyp alone, hell, i know people that run 600wk of eq in with their test and barely notice the eq. everyone is different!

    no harm meant! take care!
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    Whats up with all the !!!! marks? lol

    Im not trying to be an ass but it's like having a 2nd grader teach another 2nd grader.

    The best thing to run is a simple test cycle. On the 2nd cycle after you learn about your body's reaction, then you can start adding in other compounds. You would rather be safe than sorry IMO.
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    Whats up with all the !!!! marks? lol

    Im not trying to be an ass but it's like having a 2nd grader teach another 2nd grader.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraker View Post
    The best thing to run is a simple test cycle. On the 2nd cycle after you learn about your body's reaction, then you can start adding in other compounds. You would rather be safe than sorry IMO.
    This is spot-on advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by greekgeorge View Post
    Thanks I may go test c, since its way cheaper right now, Currently I have clomid I have not yet gotten the nolva but will by the end of the week. As for throwing EQ as a base Im a little scared to be taking three steroids for the first time. The trs from primordial seems good, I have yet to read anything bad. So what about Sarms? Is this suppressive in anyway, I thought it might just replace the on feeling while crashing. Really im blind about sarms in general, whats the low down?
    sarms is NOT suppressive

    keep the dose at 50mg ed split 25mg PM and 25mgs AM.
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    If I were you I would run the cycle this way.
    100-150mg test prop EOD for four to six weeks. Use the dbol as you wanted.
    I would use an AI EOD.
    As for PCT. The tired and true Nolva or Clomid is all you really need. It has worked for countless gear users. The primordial thing can be run on top but nolva or clomid are a must. The HCG is not needed. Are you trying to conceive? Why is fertillity an issue now? You can start PCT three days after your last shot. When you enter this world it kinda renders OTC products useless. One vial of test will produce better results than anything in the NP store. I would bet anything that is will give you better results and less sides than what you posted. I hope all works out.
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    If you're only gonna run it for 6 weeks then you might as well save your money and go buy a prohormone. 6 weeks on an injection cycle is pointless. Run it 10 weeks, with the DBol for the first 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraker View Post
    Whats up with all the !!!! marks? lol

    Im not trying to be an ass but it's like having a 2nd grader teach another 2nd grader.

    The best thing to run is a simple test cycle. On the 2nd cycle after you learn about your body's reaction, then you can start adding in other compounds. You would rather be safe than sorry IMO.
    Right, nothin wrong with a simple test cycle if it is your first time. Test-e for me for my first run... Next cycle after that is gonna be test-e/Eq cycle...
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    Mine was this:
    Week 1: Dbol 20mg ED
    Week 2: Dbol 30mg ED
    Week 3: Dbol 40mg ED
    Week 4: Dbol 40mg ED
    Week 1-8: Test-c at 500mg
    Week 9-10: Test-c at 600mg
    Week 9-12: Epi 40mg ED
    Week 12: Start PCT
    I had prior use with Dbol. The reason for week 9 and 10 with the extra 100mg of test-c was due to the fact that I had a little extra to spare and a 100mg increase after i saw how it affected my body was kinda nice. The Epi I started at 20mg for 2 days then 2 days of 30mg and then hit 40mg after that. Even though my last injection was week 10, it takes about 14-18 days for the test-c esters to run its course. That is why you start PCT 2 weeks after last injection with test-c.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txfrc View Post
    well, the clen would be in pct for only two weeks. he also has complete control over how many mcg he intakes. and since he has seemed to done ephedra before, i was just suggesting that as a 'safer' alternative.

    and on the EQ, compared to cyp or tren or dbol, its pretty damn mild and slow ester, was just recommending that as something besides a cyp only cycle. may get a tad better results with no real sides.

    i'm running my first now. and just preloaded my cycle with 600wk eq then dropping it to 300 when the prop comes in.
    keep the dose at 50mg ed and you wont have any sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkyarddogzz View Post
    keep the dose at 50mg ed and you wont have any sides.
    How can you tell someone to take 50mg ED and that he won't have sides? Neg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraker View Post
    How can you tell someone to take 50mg ED and that he won't have sides? Neg.
    Exactly, sides vary from person to person; someone may have worst sides at a lower dosage than another person with a higher dosage...
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    Start low and work your way up and you will do fine.
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    I've only seen one person mention an AI. If you end up running cyp, perhaps think about some 'dex or exe etc. to keep it a bit more dry.
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    True, I didnt think of that, I never needed one. If you dont use it, atleast have it on hand just incase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkyarddogzz View Post
    keep the dose at 50mg ed and you wont have any sides.
    because I have done it several times. All the sides were at 100mgs...have you tried it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkyarddogzz View Post
    because I have done it several times. All the sides were at 100mgs...have you tried it?
    Dude, just because you dont have any sides doesn't mean that he is the same. Did you get bloodwork done? The same reasctions you have at 100mg, he could have at 40mg, you don't know. Terrible advice to give someone who is starting their first cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraker View Post
    Dude, just because you dont have any sides doesn't mean that he is the same. Did you get bloodwork done? The same reasctions you have at 100mg, he could have at 40mg, you don't know. Terrible advice to give someone who is starting their first cycle.

    sarms alone is a great first cycle....
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    WTF does that have to do with your previous asinine comment?
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    SO someone said no hcg during cycle? I hear different things from everyone. I was planning on using it to prevent testicle shrinkage since I hear the d bols can give you rasin nuts!. I have also read that it helps shorten and lessen the crash if done on cycle, prevent shutdown so early. IS this wrong?
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    You can use HCG if you have it, its good stuff, you use it on cycle to keep your nuts from going into atrophy.
  

  
 

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