Starting Nandrolone + HGH
- 12-02-2009, 08:30 PM
Starting Nandrolone + HGH
Hi - Complete rookie here, 47 years old by months end and getting great healing from the HGH but switching brands and adding Nandro.
Wondering what to expect and what everyones opinion of those 2 stacked together is.
My only previous experience is a pro-hormone that shut me down so hard my yarballs ached and I stopped. PCT was over the counter junk. This time I will have Gonadotropin.
- 12-02-2009, 08:35 PM
this will shut u down harder than some weak a$$ ph. deca solo is a bad idea unless u have no use for getting an erection or having a libido.
the above is true and will happen to 95% of ppl who run deca solo...u wont know if ur in the other 5% until u try it though.
u need to do some research on deca and its use and side effects
- 12-02-2009, 09:18 PM
Thanks, yes I found the deca**** which some think is urban legend while all agree anything that shuts you down can do this to you and it happens it he 2nd half of the cycle. Whelp I am divorced and no current girlfriend and working overtime so I guess it wont matter unless my yarballs start to ache again.
12-02-2009, 09:20 PM
12-03-2009, 04:35 AM
test is supposed to be the base of every cycle.
12-03-2009, 11:01 PM
if u can afford HGH, why cant u afford some test?
12-11-2009, 02:10 PM
trust me run npp and test e, by far the best stack for me.I did it a long time ago and about to run them again trasnderamaly,I just dont feel like making them from bulk and pinning my self 3 times a week.
deca **** is no joke,it sux,like blowing your load with no sex drive and a barely hard ****.....trust the guys on that one,deca **** is real lol
12-12-2009, 08:19 AM
If this is about getting enough people to convince you to run test, I'm with all the guys who say don't do it. Deca **** is real, and test should be run in every cycle.
12-13-2009, 07:27 PM
Right, so it turns out I took delivery of 3 months HGH, Deca, and Test-cypinate. However its just HRT, so 200 mg Test weekly with 100 mg Deca is all I am told to take. Now when the Test runs out I will still have half a bottle of deca.........apparently you want to run them with a 2:1 ratio ?? Seems wasteful. Being told less-is-more with deca.
Makes no sense to me, if 100 mg of Deca shuts down your natural production of test then where is the harm in going to 200 mg of Deca ? Why not 200mg and 200mg of test and deca and run out at the same time ?
12-13-2009, 10:29 PM
Why not but another bottle of test and run 400mg test and 200mg deca?
12-13-2009, 10:33 PM
That sounds like a good idea. I only get it thru a doctor and this is the first cycle so I am playing along, otherwise I have to get it from a buddy who gets it from China and I just dont trust the chineese.
12-14-2009, 03:02 PM
If you don't trust the Chinese then you will never be interested in making your own gear where you can be assured of the legitimacy and cleanliness of the stuff you are injecting. All the hormone powders we have in N.America come from China.
12-16-2009, 10:30 AM
manager : we dont care what color the cat is as long as it catches the mouse ( in response to lab worker complaints about dangerous chemical usage )
on the street : Yeah but we are only talking about dead foreigners right?
On the specific point of having extra Nandrolone, what would happen if I chose to mix it 1:1 ? What if I doubled the nandro and only use 50% of the test? My test levels feel fine after doing 1:1 sunday.
12-19-2009, 08:26 AM
i just got my nandrolone phenyl p, excited for nothing
12-19-2009, 08:26 AM
i cant cychle for another 6 months
12-19-2009, 11:51 AM
12-21-2009, 01:48 PM
i'm currently running deca solo and shooting hcg m/w/f at 250iu. no deca **** as of yet and feeling pretty good.
12-21-2009, 05:17 PM
yeah, I didn't have any deca libido issues either when I ran HCG and test with it. HCG is key. I think part of the talk about deca shut down though is also due to the fact that it's half life is so long that if you don't wait 3-4 weeks after your last shot to start PCT I would imagine your PCT would be very weak and maybe would fail. I see too many PCTs that start 2 weeks after your last shot of some long acting esters.
Definitely get some HCG and then step up the test to 400mg and deca to a min of 200mg.
12-22-2009, 09:10 PM
Guys what went wrong ?
I was on HGH for a month then began 200 mg test-cyp per week and 100mg deca but had 1 bottle each so decided to do 200/200 per week and first 3 weeks I gained 10 pounds and felt super human.
Now I dont feel anything. Now billing 60 hours per week and consuming tons of stimulants is probably not helping but getting tired around 8-9 and going to bed but getting up anywhere from 3-6 because I cant sleep anymore than that.
Daughter birthday last weekend and work is demanding.
Question1: Can a stressful life cancel all this good out ?
Question2: A little nip sensitivity is that to be expected or a PROBLEM ?
Thanks in advance of your replies.
12-23-2009, 07:38 PM
nip sensitivity could be from excess estrogen from the test or an increase in progest from the deca. you should get something to combat those sides just incase you start growing titties
12-24-2009, 09:24 AM
for sure man, get some sleep and up your protein and clean calorie intake. that is a very low dose and I would guess your cortisol levels are quite high from stress.
also, little nip sensitivity isn't the end of the world but i'd get something to stop it.
12-24-2009, 09:26 AM
get some aromasin and caber for the nip problems
12-24-2009, 09:47 AM
Thanks guys, I picked up Phenibut as my buddy said it would help me get some deep sleep. I only took 2 tiny scoops and did not really feel it but want to be careful as I understand overuse can leave you in quite a hole. 8 hours rest, feel better, tried 2 caps of a anti-estro this morning. Working remote from my bunker today, got the big weekend coming, then have to ride herd on 2 rookies as the other guy is flying 20 hours back to Cameroon for his sick uncle so next week wont be completely stress free.
I had started consuming dirty calories, how does not eating clean factor into estrogen, mood etc ?
12-25-2009, 09:22 AM
I will be 46 next month. My supplement guy who competes said to just stay on test forever. He asked my why I was planning to stop and do PCT. Any opinions on that ?
12-25-2009, 11:00 AM
many guys at your age do testosterone replacement therapy because of declining test levels. that's why he said stay on test. you just don't want to always be on high doses. trt range i've seen anywhere between 125mg-250mg per week.
12-25-2009, 11:54 AM
12-25-2009, 02:02 PM
it would be good to also incorporate hcg if that's what you're going to do.
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