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    anadrol n superdrol comparison in terms on side effects?


    hey guys..
    i was wondering if anadrol has more side effects (in terms of liver toxity n other side effects) than superdrol. i havent used anadrol ever. was thinking to choose between anadrol n dbol.

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    Not too many people here have used anadrol. Considering its long-term use in wasting patients i'd guess that it is overall less livertoxic than Superdrol. Certainly a lot less mg/mg!

    I know anadrol has been used for 6-10 week cycles and i don't think anyone should do that with superdrol!
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    I believe I read somewhere the origianl makers of anadrol had tested superdrol also before going ahead with anadrol, but decided to toss superdrol aside due to the number of side effects, and go with anadrol.

    I dont know how true this is, and cant remember where I read it, but even so, anadrol can still be a dangerous steroid to mess with. not for the inexperienced user, that is for sure. more gains, more sides.....
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    thats an interesting topic...and its about my 5th time looking at it, so ill post
    i personally have not yet used anadrol though look foward to it sometime in the future...a good lifting partner of mine is an avid fan of abombs however, and we've had our discussions of why i prefer sdrol as an agent that allows untapped growth and why he prefers anadrol for the same reasons...

    heres my mild input...
    Anadrol Side-Effect layout:
    Pros- a wet compound keeping the joints lubricated and therefore easier on the pivots of your body than Sdrol; harsh but not as harsh as SDrol in terms of irregular BP spikes IMO and based on my collective research; harsh on the liver but Unreal brings up a good point- probably not as harsh as SDrol that is usually recommended for 4 week cycles MAX; i believe it actually has some properties that temporarily boost immune system function; the "bloat" actually keep the ligaments well nourished and thus makes tears and injuries less likely
    Cons- its estrogenic properties make it so that gyno can become an issue while ON cycle; like Sdrol back pumps may become an issue; the bloat associated w/ this compound often masks the true lbm gains and gives users the impression that most size gains are "lost" during pct
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    It depends on your health background and AAS usage history, you need good liver support for both. All depends on your goals as well. Abomb is an all out bulker, SD gave solid quality gains. Both A-bomb and S-Drol put stress on the liver and both compounds need to be treated with respect. Maybe there are, but I am not aware of any studies that compare the Hepatotoxicity of each. Both made me lethargic, but on the A-bombs i had a ton of stamina and more endurance during cardio, perhaps due to its effects on the red blood cell count. Abombs are usually used by experienced users and so should the SD, but since SD was easily available in the States, unfortunately i have seen high school athletes using and toying with it. If you are in Pakistan, you have other safer options that you could look into, like their Organon Karachi Sust, great human grade test and at a dirt cheap price.
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    Sdrol:
    Pros- a dryer compound, rarely resulting in significant water retention; gyno ON cycle seems to rarely occur; IMO, probably "easier" to use for the less experienced user--> why? buy your support supplements and have a proper pct aligned and the majority of the sides will be curtailed if not avoided- from word of mouth I often hear of experienced & educated anadrol users having unpredictable estrogenic side effects ON cycle, even with proper support supps

    Cons- more harsh on the joints; IMO is more unrelenting on BP than anadrol; estrogenic reboud post cycle seems to be a recurrent issue; though anadrol has been said to bring on its fair share of lethargy, it seems that SDrol users often report this side by the end of week 1 or sometime during week 2, as opposed to a anadrol user which will probably report this deeper into their cycle; since SDrol is strictly discouraged to be run beyond 4 weeks, I am making the presumption it generates more liver toxicity when compared over the SAME period of time as anadrol
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    Another thread on this subect: superdrol vs anadrol in sides/toxicity
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    thanks guys. this seems to be like a great help.
    i guess ill just go for dbol this time. anadrol may be sometimes in future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khiladi View Post
    It depends on your health background and AAS usage history, you need good liver support for both. All depends on your goals as well. Abomb is an all out bulker, SD gave solid quality gains. Both A-bomb and S-Drol put stress on the liver and both compounds need to be treated with respect. Maybe there are, but I am not aware of any studies that compare the Hepatotoxicity of each. Both made me lethargic, but on the A-bombs i had a ton of stamina and more endurance during cardio, perhaps due to its effects on the red blood cell count. Abombs are usually used by experienced users and so should the SD, but since SD was easily available in the States, unfortunately i have seen high school athletes using and toying with it. If you are in Pakistan, you have other safer options that you could look into, like their Organon Karachi Sust, great human grade test and at a dirt cheap price.
    thanks bro. yeah prices r pretty good here in karachi. deca organon pakistan, sustanon, testoviron pakistan, geofman, n the iranian abu raihans. all of them r dirt cheap. its more like they're being sold for free hehe.. it seems u know quite a bit about pakistan.
    im going for abu raihans test e, deca n dbol (for kick start). dbol n anadrol arent expensive either. pretty cheap. eq, however, is a bit costly compared to all these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    Another thread on this subect: superdrol vs anadrol in sides/toxicity
    thanks for taking the trouble n posting the link
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    Guy's I'm not nearly as educated as you but isn't Anadrol an oxymetholone and s-drol just a prohormone? just want some clarifications. I was gonna try anadrol as well but if I can acheive the same results for cheaper using s-bol let me know
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    S-drol is not a prohormone it's a fully active oral steroid and it's one of the most potent ones mg/mg. It's plenty powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radiojoe30 View Post
    Guy's I'm not nearly as educated as you but isn't Anadrol an oxymetholone and s-drol just a prohormone? just want some clarifications. I was gonna try anadrol as well but if I can acheive the same results for cheaper using s-bol let me know
    superdrol is definitely a steroid. n here, we're comparing the side effects of the two (superdrol n anadrol). ill definitely use anadrol in future n if i like it more than superdrol then i might never go for superdrol again.
    n as far as the prices r concerned, AAS is comparatively cheaper to me than OTC prohormones since im a resident of pakistan. in fact we dont have prohormones available here in pakistan. my sister used to get me supplements when she used to come from usa.
    anyway.. just look for a good place where u can find legit stuff at good prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 17amethyl View Post
    thats an interesting topic...and its about my 5th time looking at it, so ill post
    i personally have not yet used anadrol though look foward to it sometime in the future...a good lifting partner of mine is an avid fan of abombs however, and we've had our discussions of why i prefer sdrol as an agent that allows untapped growth and why he prefers anadrol for the same reasons...

    heres my mild input...
    Anadrol Side-Effect layout:
    Pros- a wet compound keeping the joints lubricated and therefore easier on the pivots of your body than Sdrol; harsh but not as harsh as SDrol in terms of irregular BP spikes IMO and based on my collective research; harsh on the liver but Unreal brings up a good point- probably not as harsh as SDrol that is usually recommended for 4 week cycles MAX; i believe it actually has some properties that temporarily boost immune system function; the "bloat" actually keep the ligaments well nourished and thus makes tears and injuries less likely
    Cons- its estrogenic properties make it so that gyno can become an issue while ON cycle; like Sdrol back pumps may become an issue; the bloat associated w/ this compound often masks the true lbm gains and gives users the impression that most size gains are "lost" during pct
    the bloat is not an estrogen side....anadrol doesnt aromatize....
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    damn mooch i haven't seen you in a while, hope your injury is improving. I'm about to send you a PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    damn mooch i haven't seen you in a while, hope your injury is improving. I'm about to send you a PM
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    once again mooch is correct. a-bombs are one of the few steroids that I experience bloat with. I prefer it to kick an all out bulking cycle. I seem to get better strength and weight gains from anadrol. I personally experience very little sides with super. I want to say that somewhere I read that a-bombs are harsher on liver values than d-bol, but that both are not as horrific as a lot of people contest. oh and also my recovery time on anadrol is superhuman.
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    really? I thought Anadrol was way more harsh?
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    Here a 30 weeok study is mentioned...yes 30 weeks!!!



    Anadrol 50
    (oxymetholone)
    Anadrol 50(commonly called by athletes "A50" or "A-bombs") was initially developed as a compound to help people with anemia, and has since been used very successfully to aid people who are suffering from many other diseases where weight loss is a concern. Thus, it is clearly an effective agent for promoting weight gain, increasing appetite, gaining strength, and increasing Red Blood Cell count. And, as with most Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids (AAS), it has it´s downsides as well. Anadrol will inhibit your body´s natural production of hormones (testosterone, etc& ), will negatively affect your blood lipid profile, can cause water retention, is notorious for causing headaches, and is also highly liver toxic (in fact, it has the worst reputation for hepatoxicity out of all steroids). Paradoxically, although one the benefits touted by it´s original manufacturer (Syntex) is that it can be used to stimulate weight gain through increasing appetite, taking too much may actually inhibit your appetite!

    Anadrol Effects on Body
    I think, in order to gain a complete understanding of the Anadrol effects on body, we need to take a look at its advantages contrasted with its disadvantages. Anadrol is a DHT-derived compound, and is 17-Alpha-Alkylated steroid, meaning that it has been altered at the 17th carbon position to survive oral ingestion. Most oral steroids are 17aa, and this helps them make it through your liver in a useful form. Sounds great, right? Lets 17alpha-alkylate everything! Well& as you can imagine, there´s a down side.

    Anadrol Side Effects
    This 17aa alteration, which makes it possible for Anadrol to survive its first pass through your liver, also makes it very taxing on your liver. How taxing is A50 and how much weight can you gain from its use? Well, there was a 30 week study done on A50 and, as you can expect, a reasonable amount of side effects were noted. The fact that A50 causes some side effects has really never been in debate. But how effective was the drug? Well, first it should be mentioned that this study was done on people with AIDS related wasting, and they actually gained weight (8+kg) while the control group lost weight, and had increased mortality rates. (1). I suppose, if you´re in a study because you have a wasting disease which is also a terminal illness, you don´t want to end up in the control group& .Anyway, weight gain in this study peaked at 19-20 weeks, though, so the last 10 weeks weren´t very productive in this respect. Clearly, you wouldn´t want to run Anadrol for 20 weeks, given its toxicity, but after that, any effect in terms of weight and strength gains would be negligible. So, with regards to sides from Anadrol, and the sheer fact that this study lasted so long (30 weeks), it should be apparent that they can be kept under control and the drug can be used safely. People are commonly told to limit their intake of A50 to 4 weeks or less& I´m a bit less conservative and think you can easily run A50 for 6 weeks or more.

    From personal experience, however, I can tell you that gains from Anadrol are quite dramatic for the first 3 weeks, and then quickly level off. Unfortunately, I find that the side effects experienced from Anadrol (which include a headache, bloating, elevated blood pressure, and a general "unwell" feeling for me) remain for the entire duration of use& .but I find, as usual, side effects for this drug are pretty much half legend and half truth. Since Anadrol is derived from DHT, it can´t actually convert to estrogen (via the aromatase enzyme), and it´s not a progestin or a compound with progestenic activity& so the estrogenic (?) side effects produced by it are of a very mysterious nature. It has been speculated that perhaps it can stimulate the estrogen receptor without actually being converted to estrogen& that´s about as plausible an explanation as I´ve heard& However, things really get strange, when Oxymetholone has been used in studies to alter the female reproductive/menstrual cycle; in those cases, it has lowered plasma progesterone levels! (7)One would expect that an AI (aromatase inhibitor) wouldn´t be of much use with this drug, but many have found that Letrozole (which has, in some cases been shown to reduce estrogen in the body to an undetectable amount)(6) can greatly reduce or even eliminate many of the more noticeable side effects of Anadrol, such as the bloating.

    As I´ve stated, however, the sides from this drug are certainly no joke, but are easily preventable, and controllable. One study even showed very few sides for subjects using up to 100mgs of Oxymetholone (2). In the original UnderGround Steroid HandBook, Dan Duchaine states that he used it at doses up to 150mgs/day. Clearly, Anadrol´s hepatoxicity has been a bit exaggerated, in some circles. Be that as it may, my suggestion is still to limit Anadrol´s use to 6 weeks, at a maximum& even if just to err on the side of caution. Of course, I have personally run this drug for much longer..

    How should we use Anadrol? I´d probably be willing to include Anadrol in a cycle including injectable steroids, but not other 17aa compounds. I´d make any 6-week-run of this compound begin at the start of a cycle, as a form of "jumpstart" towards seeing gains quickly. The quick gains you will get from Anadrol (up to a pound per day for the first 2 weeks are not uncommon in Steroid.com members) are also just as quick to disappear upon cessation of use& .unless you are simply using it as a kickstarter, while waiting for your other compounds to kick-in. I´ll go out on a limb here and say that utilizing Anadrol as a "Jumpstart" is the most popular use of this drug for athletes and bodybuilders today. I´ll also say that this drug is immensely popular with strength athletes who don´t have to worry about weight classes (Field athletes and strongmen), and with powerlifters in the heavier weight brackets. It´s also important to note that in one study by Schroder et. Al (2) anadrol showed that it has the ability to lower serum SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin& which binds to your free test and makes it no longer useful for anabolism, among other things) concentrations by 54.9 ± 25.8 and 45 ± 16.2 nmol/l in the 50- and 100-mg treatment groups. This means there will be more free test circulating around your body when you take this drug& clearly, this would produce some synergy when stacked with other steroids. Given the large amounts of weight and strength which can be gained in a relatively short time span on this drug, I´m sure this comes as no surprise to many.

    Another important and often understated characteristic of this compound is that Oxymetholone doesn´t bind well to the androgen receptor (Relative Binding Affinity = too low to be determined) (3) which is the lowest I´ve ever read about. Basically, what this tells me is that there are a lot of non-receptor mediated effects from this steroid, making it a very potent addition to ANY BULKING stack, because it won´t be competing for the receptor sites with the other steroids you´re using. It´s also, as you may have guessed a very poor choice for a cutting stack.

    ANADROL CYCLES
    What is an Anadrol Cycle? How much should you use? Well, this is actually one of the most interesting facts about Anadrol. You see, most steroids produce what we call a "dose respondent curve" which is a fancy way of saying "the more you use, the more you gain."

    Anadrol is one of the few steroids where the dose respondent curve flattens out very quickly. When you take 50mgs of Anadrol, you´ll make some very good gains. When you take 100mgs of Anadrol, you´ll make even more gains. However, it has been found that 100mgs/day is as effective for weight gain as 150mgs/day but produces less side effects and was less toxic (4). I feel that the jump from 50mgs to 100mgs constitutes an acceptable rise in benefit vs. cost, but this is not the case as dosages get over 100mgs. Now, lets see how 50mgs and 100mgs of Oxymetholone actually effect strength, when compared with each other:

    Relative (%) changes in strength are shown for the groups receiving placebo (filled bars), 50 mg/day oxymetholone (open bars), and 100 mg/day oxymetholone (gray bars). Nos. above bars represent relative change (%) from baseline to week 12 for the 1-repetition maximum tests of strength. Error bars represent ± 1 SE from the mean. * Significant difference from placebo, P < 0.05; significant difference from placebo by Wilcoxon test, P < 0.02. See text for additional statistical analyses.

    As you can see, in this study, doubling the dose of Anadrol nearly doubled the strength gains of the test subjects. Now, when we look at changes in body composition from Oxymetholone (chart below) we can see that although the guys taking the 100mgs (vs. the 50mgs group) had more fat lost and more Lean Body Mass gained, it wasn´t as dramatic as the differences in strength gains between the two groups:

    Changes in body composition are shown for the groups receiving placebo (filled bars), 50 mg of oxymetholone per day (open bars), and 100 mg per day (gray bars). Numbers above the bars represent the mean absolute changes and the error bars are ± 1 SE. For total lean body mass (LBM) and total fat, differences among the 3 groups were significant (P < 0.0001, one-way ANOVA). * Significant differences from placebo, P 0.001.

    Although I am usually not inclined to posit speculations on why a particular drug does or doesn´t do something, in this case I will. I´m guessing that the higher doses of Anadrol cause enough appetite suppression (at least anecdotally) to make eating rather difficult. It can also increase insulin resistance and glucose intolerance (5). This has the effect of making macronutrient absorption more inefficient, and could also be a factor in reducing gains when the dosage goes over 100mgs/day. Unfortunately, Anadrol also has a reasonably profound effect on your body´s natural hormonal system, on par with most other oral steroids, but not as bad as most injectables, and it´s certainly not as harsh on your lipid profile as many anabolics are

    Anadrol Body Building
    (2). As an interesting side note, some of the medical literature on this compound suggests a dose of 1-5mgs per kg of bodyweight. I´ll pause a second here for you to figure out how absurdly high of a dose that would translate to for the average bodybuilder!

    To Buy Anadrol  Liquiad Anadrol and others

    This steroid is very available on the black market in the form of capsules, tablets (some are even 75mgs!), liquid, and even paper. Prices will vary, and be indicative of many different factors including the form you buy this compound in (paper will usually be the most expensive, and liquid the least), and where you live. In any case, you shouldn´t be paying more than $2.50-3.00 per 50mgs.

    What is Anadrol?
    (Oxymetholone)
    [17 beta-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17 alpha-methyl-5 alpha-androstan-3-one]
    Molecular Weight: 332.482
    Molecular Formula: C 21 H 32 O 3
    Melting Point: 178-180C
    Manufacturer: Syntex (Originally)
    Release Date: 1960
    Effective Dose: 100mgs (optimal)
    Active Life: <16hours
    Detection Time: up to 8 weeks
    Androgenic: Anabolic Ratio: 45:320


    References:



    Charts from reference 2:
    Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 284: E120-E128, 2003. First published September 24, 2002; doi:10.1152/ajpendo.00363.2002 0193-1849/03



    Br J Nutr. 1996 Jan;75(1):129-38.
    Schroeder et al. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 284:E 120-28
    Endocrinology. 1984 Jun;114(6):2100-6.
    HIV Clin Trials. 2003 May-Jun;4(3):150-63.
    J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1981 Nov;53(5):905-8
    Epilepsy Behav. 2004 Apr;5(2):260-3
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    yes, they went thirty weeks....but they were aids patients whose bodies were literaly wasting away....the negative effects on lipids and liver values were overshadowed by the positive effects on body mass. This is not a compound that should be run for thirty weeks by anyone.
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    I agree completely mooch, however my point being, you heare people warning oters not to go over like 4-6weeks at 50-100mg a day, when as with any compound, you may want to use that as a starting point, but your own personal mileage may vary. you should always listen to your body, and your blood work.
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    well....you my freind are an anomaly....you do what you wish...you have run some crazy high doses...but im gonna stick with 4-6 weeks on a-bombs...
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    well, Im NOT an anomaly when it comes to anadrol lol, 4-6weeks is all I can handle of it, however, d-bol and super dont seem to destroy my lipid profile or liver panel near as quickly.
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    hehehe...good to hear...i was really starting to feel like a lil B!tch.....lol
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    now about that first date...
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    hehehehe.....wierd!
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    well I know m-drol feels like you are dying from the inside out. I felt like a bag of worms covered in muscle.
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    m-drol makes me feel great aside from the lethargy. Thats so odd how it seems to affect me so much diffrent than anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texastweeter View Post
    m-drol makes me feel great aside from the lethargy. Thats so odd how it seems to affect me so much diffrent than anyone else.
    I still believe there could be a variation under the table in the compounds. I used 3 weeks of P-plex at 4/pills a day with NO noticeable effects.
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    I'm newbie to this and heard Dbol was the way to go, we are a small group of soldiers serving in Afghanistan and need the best out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashraf View Post
    I'm newbie to this and heard Dbol was the way to go, we are a small group of soldiers serving in Afghanistan and need the best out there.

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    u might be having access to a lot of stuff there at cheap prices. same as i do here in pakistan
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfreak2 View Post
    u might be having access to a lot of stuff there at cheap prices. same as i do here in pakistan
    thats what I was thinking and good black too! :-)
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    Def go with anadrol over superdrol.
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    Nothing scientific, but Anadrol made me feel like **** the couple times I tried it. I prefer superdrol myself.

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