Tren, Win, and Clen!!

[orangejuice07]

Alright guys. I just got a new stack of supplies and I need a little help gettin the cycle down! I am 5 10 250 pounds about 15% body fat. I have done winstrol only cycles( i know i know) and test and deca cycles before. Here are the supplies I have:

3 5ml Tren 75mg/ml
2 5ml Win 75mg/ml
200 Clenbuterol 20mcg/tab
60 nolvadex 10mg tabs

Just wondering if you guys could help me figure out what the best route to hit all this up would be. I had figured on doin the clenbuterol first and then hittin up the tren and addin in the winstrol on the last 4 or 5 weeks or so but im not real sure now. Been doin alot of research and I cant decide on doin 75mg of tren ED or EOD? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[nosnmiveins]

u need more tren and winstrol. have u run tren solo before?...if not then get test

 

[mooch2321]

u dont have enough gear for a cycle.....

 

[freqfly]

Not enough gear bro

 

[comacho]

if thats all you have you could probably do 1/2ml of tren ed and 1/3 ml of winny everyday till you run out,,,but man your libido will go DOWN

unless you are one of those people who get hornier off tren but most gets destroyed.

so you are looking at 1 month cycle maybe,,,as for clen i dont like it, bad for your heart i dont recommend it.

dont know what to say other than get more...

 

[orangejuice07]

getting more isnt a problem. how much more would i need?

 

[revamping]

Use the damn research button. if ur takeing this stuff u should know about it. ur trying to take tren the strongest steroid ever (IMO taken d-bol but have never dropped a-bombs) that should ALWAYS be stacked with test. IMO ur nor experienced enough and should research for about another month/ I'm running tren at 75 eod and testp at 100 eod. In 6 days I have gained 10 pounds and today I repped an extra forty pounds for the same number of reps as before cycle, this is strong stuff know what your doing.I'd run the tren 75 eod, run it 4-6 weeks for ur first time, 50mg eod but ed wld b best of winny for up to six weeks. Get some test, prop would be choice cause of less water retention and easy to control,100eod would be perfect for 8-12 weeks. I always take 2 weeks of just test at the end to cycle off better, thats how I'd do it, but what do I know I've only spent half my life researching this ****.

 

[orangejuice07]

alright dude cool out. u dont have to get all psycho on me cuz im not experienced with tren. i work out with alot of guys who are either on it or have done it before. all i was asking was for help deciding how to mix all the things together. if all you have to do is shoot up roids and talk **** to people on the internet....well you are just a badass.

 

[nosnmiveins]

alright dude cool out. u dont have to get all psycho on me cuz im not experienced with tren. i work out with alot of guys who are either on it or have done it before. all i was asking was for help deciding how to mix all the things together. if all you have to do is shoot up roids and talk **** to people on the internet....well you are just a badass.

first off, u need test as a base. and considering u want to run tren, i would get some HCG and caber...still seem worth it? if so then...


Test Prop 100mg eod 1-8
Tren Ace 50mg ed 1-6
Winstrol 50mg ed 3-8
HCG 250iu 2x week 1-8
Caber 500mcg 2x week

PCT
Clomid 100/50/50/50

 

[XplodeWithMe]

Test is the base in any cycle, no exceptions

 

[revamping]

I'm angry cause the media makes steroids as bad as fricken heroin. Steroid usesrs get a bad rep cause of people like u who don't know what ur doing. I'm here to help as a big brother but the truth is steroids are completely safe if u know how to run them correctly.Do not run strong androgens without test, I ran d-bol at 50mg a day for a month without test, what a hell of a roller coaster which the clomid after just added to. I willl answer any question u have to help u out, the reason I flip out is u can screw up ur body permanantly if u don't know what ur doing. Check out my log in the old school hormone thread, it labled trena/testp, it has every support supp u need and is as perfect of a cycle as I could run. My only regret is I can't get Hcg which is why I'm running 2 SERMS and a natty test. Look into cycle support by anabolic innovations, that will reduce most sides, but just so you no, ur balls will shrivel up, follwing that statement all side effects are temporary if u no what ur doing and how to recover. AND GET TEST. AS for pct, I've ran all 3, toremifene beats the crap out of all the others ur package will grow so big, I look forward to pct's now, please atleast take my advice with the test and toemefine. 1 last thing get cabergoline as tren works at the progesterone receptor which can cause gyno and lactating nipples(something no guy wants) plus caber has many other great effects, I love it and it's realy safe.

 

[orangejuice07]

sorry bro i just have a bad habit of wanting to jump into **** too fast. the last couple of test/deca cycles i ran i tried some experimenting. first 12 week i ran nolva/clomid pct with some hcg then took 12 weeks off. then i did another 12 week test/deca cycle without any pct and waited 6 weeks and then went and got all my blood work done and it showed everything was fine so i just figured im not really prone to sides and stuff. also i got off readin somewhere that tren was suppose to act kinda like winstrol, tightenin up everything type of stuff, because right now im not really wanting to get any bigger. just lose a little bodyfat and tighten up what i already got. i am really prone to getting stretch marks. got then all over my bicep and all underneath my arm and more. so what kind of **** u think i should be doin? im not a big fan of clen cause of how hard it is on your heart but it works really good. and i dont want to spend 1500 on winstrol either haha.

 

[sethroberts]

Test is the base in any cycle, no exceptions

What is with the vulture-like parroting of this? Test does NOT have to be the base of every cycle. All this does is kill the opportunity for discussion. Not everyone loses their libido at the drop of a hat and not everyone cares that much over the course of a 6 or 10 or 12 week cycle. AAS were developed to take advantage of their differences from testosterone. Plenty of people have done dbol only cycles or dbol/deca cycles or tren/winny cycles and grown plenty. I am really sick of seeing these "rules" repeated ad nauseum without any discussion.

 

[mooch2321]

What is with the vulture-like parroting of this? Test does NOT have to be the base of every cycle. All this does is kill the opportunity for discussion. Not everyone loses their libido at the drop of a hat and not everyone cares that much over the course of a 6 or 10 or 12 week cycle. AAS were developed to take advantage of their differences from testosterone. Plenty of people have done dbol only cycles or dbol/deca cycles or tren/winny cycles and grown plenty. I am really sick of seeing these "rules" repeated ad nauseum without any discussion.

thank-you mr.roberts...im definately buying your book

 

[sethroberts]

thank-you mr.roberts...im definately buying your book

Thanks. And, this is not to say that test can't be used as a base. But, there is no cookie cutter, one-sized fits all. If you think someone should use test as a base then maybe you can suggest why for the particular stack in question instead of just parroting "test as base, test as base, polly want a cracker..."

 

[nosnmiveins]

What is with the vulture-like parroting of this? Test does NOT have to be the base of every cycle. All this does is kill the opportunity for discussion. Not everyone loses their libido at the drop of a hat and not everyone cares that much over the course of a 6 or 10 or 12 week cycle. AAS were developed to take advantage of their differences from testosterone. Plenty of people have done dbol only cycles or dbol/deca cycles or tren/winny cycles and grown plenty. I am really sick of seeing these "rules" repeated ad nauseum without any discussion.

i have to admit that i am/used-to-be one of those who said test needed to be the base of every cycle. but ive ive learned more and more i know that this is just not the case.

some ppl dont care losing their libido, some ppl dont even lose their libido. to find what works best for an individual it takes trial and error

 

[sethroberts]

i have to admit that i am/used-to-be one of those who said test needed to be the base of every cycle. but ive ive learned more and more i know that this is just not the case.

some ppl dont care losing their libido, some ppl dont even lose their libido. to find what works best for an individual it takes trial and error

Very true.

 

[UnrealMachine]

i think the test base is generally an insurance policy when telling the new cyclers what to do. I think the best arguments for the test base can be made for deca and tren cycles but that's pretty obvious.

Obviously test isn't very necessary as people here are running 6 week oral cycles left and right without a mg of exogenous test and surprisingly few complain about decreased sexual function or wellbeing.

 

[sethroberts]

i think the test base is generally an insurance policy when telling the new cyclers what to do. I think the best arguments for the test base can be made for deca and tren cycles but that's pretty obvious.

Obviously test isn't very necessary as people here are running 6 week oral cycles left and right without a mg of exogenous test and surprisingly few complain about decreased sexual function or wellbeing.

Not to mention the many many people running DS cycles without test as base.

 

[UnrealMachine]

Yeah that's what I meant by orals. They are oral steroids afterall. I am really surprised at how few people have the effects of suppressed test like low libido on various orals, it really seems like Superdrol and MaxLMG have the most consistent suppression of sex drive in users, but i get horny like mad on Superdrol, it's weird how we're so different.

OJ - sorry for the OT, you need to do like nos said and get more gear, 25mL total of short esters that you're going to stack, that's just not nearly enough.

 

[nosnmiveins]

im a horny f uck on anyting or nothing

 

[sethroberts]

Yeah that's what I meant by orals. They are oral steroids afterall. I am really surprised at how few people have the effects of suppressed test like low libido on various orals, it really seems like Superdrol and MaxLMG have the most consistent suppression of sex drive in users, but i get horny like mad on Superdrol, it's weird how we're so different.

OJ - sorry for the OT, you need to do like nos said and get more gear, 25mL total of short esters that you're going to stack, that's just not nearly enough.

A lot of it is mental as well. I've never had any libido issues. But it is interesting the variability in response.

 

[orangejuice07]

well ive decided to put the tren on hold for now and do...

Test Prop 100mg eod week 1-8
winstrol 50mg eod week 3-8
hcg 250iu 2x week

then for pct i will run nolvadex 40/40/20/20

along with fish oil, multivitamins, amino acids, and a pretty lean protein based diet.

 

[EasyEJL]

A lot of it is mental as well. I've never had any libido issues. But it is interesting the variability in response.

I have literally received a blood test with total test of 20, LH, FSH, and free test below ability for labcorp to measure (freakin E2 was still 37) drawn the morning after having had sex (and no cialis or viagra) So yeah, although test is valuable as a base its not necessarily required even to maintain sexual ability.

 

[Sr_505]

what does eod and ed mean?

eod= every other day
ed= every day

 

[Sr_505]

I think you need to do a bit more basic research... Have you tried googling the compounds you're interested in?

 

[Sr_505]

Actually, it seems like you're talking about those bs supplements from buy steroids .com. You're wasting your money. Those aren't actual steroids, and nobody really knows what's in them.

 

[Sr_505]

If this is your first real cycle, which I assume it is, then leave out Tren.

Run test P at 100mgs eod or 50mgs ed

If you've got legit Anavar, you'd get a good leaning effect with 50-75mgs a day.

You'll need to have an AI on hand, my favorite is letrozole. Somewhere around .125-.25mgs Ed is what I do.

One way to run it would be to run the test p for 8 weeks, and the Anavar for the first 6.

Hopefully you know that you'll need a good PCT, not some BS over the counter supplement.

 

[Lukef2000]

this is my very first cycle, and I want to do it right, but with the advice from someone that knows what to do. I feel you are giving me good info. As I said, i am a fast learner, just bare with me on the lingo. what is AI and PCT. i won't get the OCT stuff if you lay out some bread crumbs on where to get good gear. i read one post and that is what the person said, "be very careful" where you buy from.

I'll lay down a few key points for you. I don't usually spoon fees people but here you go.

1. Don't run tren your first cycle. You have no idea how your body responds to any compound so only add in one at a time.

2. Always have your support supps and pct on hand prior to beginning your cycle.

3. An AI is an aromatase inhibitor you need it to block aromatase from converting testosterone estrogen. High estrogen leads to bitch tits, water retention etc etcetera. IMO aromasin is the best in this area.

4. As I said before only incorporate one new compound at a time. Don't run var this time around as if you have sides you don't know what compound is causing it. It's a marathon not a sprint.

5. Your main pct component is a serm. Clomid torem or nolva are the best to help your recovery.

6. Personally I'd start with test e as with prop you have to pin every day or every second day and it can old real quick especially if your not used to it. Prop can also cause some pretty nasty post injection pain due to the Propionic acid ester crystallising in your muscles.

7. We can't source here so don't ask. I've had too many infractions and don't want anymore lol.

That's pretty much the basics bro.

 

[Lukef2000]

lukef2000, i am doing my research like you told me. appreciate the spoon feeding right now. :147: help me understand point #2 as i go back to studying. what does pct stand for? thanks bro

Post cycle therapy. This stage is when you come off all gear and are attempting to restart your natural testosterone production.