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    For a first time test e cycle how many mg did you take every week, for how long and what gains did you make and maintain after pct?


  2. 500mg a week for 6 weeks. Gained 19 pounds. Lost 8 after my cycle was over
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  3. I should have stayed on longer. But i got tired of my face being twice the size it normally is.

  4. -500mg/week for 10 weeks
    -gained 20lbs
    -kept 12lbs after pct
    -pct consisted of clomid & nolvadex

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  5. 500mg for first 10 weeks, then went to 750mg which i'm on now. i'm in the 15-16th week still getting stronger. gained somewhere around 20lbs so far. i dont know why anyone would stay on test-e shorter than 12 weeks, its more of a slow steady gainer. for me i didnt even get stronger until 6 weeks in.

    i think most of the guys who did it for a short time probably just gained alot of water weight in the beginning and stopped too early, thats why they lose alot... once youre on it for a while that water goes away and then the solid muscle comes
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by jamesb2525 View Post
    For a first time test e cycle how many mg did you take every week, for how long and what gains did you make and maintain after pct?
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    My first cycle consisted of this and I gained around 20 pounds and kept it, of course it wasnt all lean muscle. The reason why I keep most if not all of my gains is due to the fact that I'm on TRT. With a good PCT You should be able to keep a good precentage of that. Try to avoid adjusting the doses, either moving the Test E up or down because this is what causes horomone fluctuations and for me leads to some pretty bad acne. Run Nolva at 40/40/20/20. I personally didnt need HCG until I started playing with Deca, Tren and dbol but everyone responds different. I really dont care about the size of my balls, they just get in the way,lol. I have been married for 13 years but say I was to date some girl, she might be like where are u ****ing balls dude, so then I would use HCG, just really applies on the situation. Good luck and feel free to ask bro.

  7. Thanks everyone im just trying to get a good idea of what to expect. Did anyone take before and after pics? That would be cool to see thanks

  8. Where's the pics guys?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by jamesb2525 View Post
    Thanks everyone im just trying to get a good idea of what to expect. Did anyone take before and after pics? That would be cool to see thanks

    check out mine in the picture section.

    500mg, 12 weeks, 25lbs, kept it all, pct was nolva/clomid. dbol kickstart, Havoc last 4 weeks

  10. Good pics bro

  11. dont really remember the exact numbers on my gains (was long time ago) but the cycle consisted of 12 weeks 400mg test-e and first 4 weeks 25mg dianabol. Nolvadex for pct. gained quite a bit, and kept most of it.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    check out mine in the picture section.

    500mg, 12 weeks, 25lbs, kept it all, pct was nolva/clomid. dbol kickstart, Havoc last 4 weeks

    How long did you run the Dbol as a kickstarter?

  13. test e 500mgs per week great starter cycle

  14. When I run test e I always run dbol together. Test e wont reach the peak before 6-8 days, so you must run a potent oral with it. Personally, i run test around 100-200mg eod (yes, eod) and a decreasing dbol schedule starting with 60mg and ending with 30-20mg at day 6-8, when test e reach the peak.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by HITLIST View Post
    How long did you run the Dbol as a kickstarter?
    4 weeks, next time around i'll probably run it 6 weeks

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Keep Building View Post
    When I run test e I always run dbol together. Test e wont reach the peak before 6-8 days, so you must run a potent oral with it. Personally, i run test around 100-200mg eod (yes, eod) and a decreasing dbol schedule starting with 60mg and ending with 30-20mg at day 6-8, when test e reach the peak.
    Good info bro, how did u know your test e kicked in by day 8. Is there a test that can be done to know

  17. Quote Originally Posted by BBdude View Post
    Good info bro, how did u know your test e kicked in by day 8. Is there a test that can be done to know
    Yes, you can do a testosterone test to check it, but you will need to do at least 3 tests to figure out when you reach the peak.

    6-8 days is the active-life of test enan, so 6-8 days after you start the cycle the first shot will be eliminated. After that the testosterone level will be the same along all the cycle. Its the teory... in the real world testosterone level swings, but if you keep injectin at least every 3-4 day, this swings tend to be lower.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Keep Building View Post
    Yes, you can do a testosterone test to check it, but you will need to do at least 3 tests to figure out when you reach the peak.

    6-8 days is the active-life of test enan, so 6-8 days after you start the cycle the first shot will be eliminated. After that the testosterone level will be the same along all the cycle. Its the teory... in the real world testosterone level swings, but if you keep injectin at least every 3-4 day, this swings tend to be lower.
    No, no no no.

    Enanthate is a 10.5 day half life. And that means 10 days later your shot will be 50% eliminated, that's the definition of half life. And no it isn't constant after that, it builds up for weeks and then still slightly spikes and dips when you shoot.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    No, no no no.

    Enanthate is a 10.5 day half life. And that means 10 days later your shot will be 50% eliminated, that's the definition of half life. And no it isn't constant after that, it builds up for weeks and then still slightly spikes and dips when you shoot.
    Sorry mate, i dont share the same point of view.

    I have read this definition of half life everywhere and I can say thats pretty wrong when we bring it to AAS protocols. I can explain what is the real deal when active and half lifes is in evidence, but at this moment I prefer to take some cientific stuff to prove my point.

    I dont have 50 posts here, so remove the spaces to get the link, ok?
    http ://www3. interscience. wiley. com/journal/ 119853356/abstract

    In this study testosterone levels reach the peak 8-24hrs after the injection, getting 4-5 times the basal level with an equivalent of 140mg of free testosterone (without ester weight). Nine days after the injection the testosterone levels returned to basal.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Keep Building View Post
    Sorry mate, i dont share the same point of view.

    I have read this definition of half life everywhere and I can say thats pretty wrong when we bring it to AAS protocols. I can explain what is the real deal when active and half lifes is in evidence, but at this moment I prefer to take some cientific stuff to prove my point.

    I dont have 50 posts here, so remove the spaces to get the link, ok?
    http ://www3. interscience. wiley. com/journal/ 119853356/abstract

    In this study testosterone levels reach the peak 8-24hrs after the injection, getting 4-5 times the basal level with an equivalent of 140mg of free testosterone (without ester weight). Nine days after the injection the testosterone levels returned to basal.
    Bro, did your blood work confirm your reaseach? Would be great for you to post it, will change everyones opinions on the use of long acting esters as a cycle kick start. Will no longer need test prop. Am looking forward to your post, is nice to see that somone finally has backed up reading material with physical evidence. I truly hate the "I have heard or I have read" posts. Show me some physical evidence.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Keep Building View Post
    Yes, you can do a testosterone test to check it, but you will need to do at least 3 tests to figure out when you reach the peak.

    6-8 days is the active-life of test enan, so 6-8 days after you start the cycle the first shot will be eliminated. After that the testosterone level will be the same along all the cycle. Its the teory... in the real world testosterone level swings, but if you keep injectin at least every 3-4 day, this swings tend to be lower.
    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    No, no no no.

    Enanthate is a 10.5 day half life. And that means 10 days later your shot will be 50% eliminated, that's the definition of half life. And no it isn't constant after that, it builds up for weeks and then still slightly spikes and dips when you shoot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keep Building View Post
    Sorry mate, i dont share the same point of view.

    I have read this definition of half life everywhere and I can say thats pretty wrong when we bring it to AAS protocols. I can explain what is the real deal when active and half lifes is in evidence, but at this moment I prefer to take some cientific stuff to prove my point.

    I dont have 50 posts here, so remove the spaces to get the link, ok?
    http ://www3. interscience. wiley. com/journal/ 119853356/abstract

    In this study testosterone levels reach the peak 8-24hrs after the injection, getting 4-5 times the basal level with an equivalent of 140mg of free testosterone (without ester weight). Nine days after the injection the testosterone levels returned to basal.
    These terms need to be defined. active life, half life.

    A drug can still be in your system because the half life has not expired but that does not mean it is providing performance. After injecting Test E it will spike quite rapidly in about 1-2 days and fall off to baseline in about 10 days. There will still be synthetic hormone in your system but it will be less than what the male body produces so performance will decline.

    Pharmacokinetics of Testosterone cypionate Injection


    Figure. Pharmacokinetics of 200mg Testosterone cypionate injection. Source: Comparison of Testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone in serum after injection of Testosterone enanthate or Testosterone cypionate. Schulte-Beerbuhl M, Nieschlag E. Fertility and Sterility 33 (1980) 201-3.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by BBdude View Post
    Bro, did your blood work confirm your reaseach? Would be great for you to post it, will change everyones opinions on the use of long acting esters as a cycle kick start. Will no longer need test prop. Am looking forward to your post, is nice to see that somone finally has backed up reading material with physical evidence. I truly hate the "I have heard or I have read" posts. Show me some physical evidence.
    In the truth I never did a blood work during a cycle, but who cares? Its a fact if you consider all the medical studies and medical literature. Even if you take some (good) steroid books you will find out this infos: Test E has an active life around 6-8 or maybe 10 days in some studies/books. Its very easy to find out this info in the medline, medbolics, pubmed, j chem and other. Rea book's, Chemical Muscle Enhancement give us the same active life, 8 days.

    These terms need to be defined. active life, half life.

    A drug can still be in your system because the half life has not expired but that does not mean it is providing performance. After injecting Test E it will spike quite rapidly in about 1-2 days and fall off to baseline in about 10 days. There will still be synthetic hormone in your system but it will be less than what the male body produces so performance will decline.
    Yes, I will explain what active and half life really means, but at first let me explain one thing. Test E, C, P and every other ester DOESNT MAKE ANY EFFECT. Only free testosterone can merge with the receptor site. And how Test E makes the work? After it been released from the injection depot it will be hydrolysed, resultin in free testosterone and a free ester enanthate. The ester will be removed by the esterase enzime and the testosterone will be carried by SHBG around the body. After that, you cant figure out what is natural testosterone and what is synthetic. Its pretty much the same thing. By the way, the half life of free testosterone is around 10-30mins and a maximum of 100mins in few studies.

    Right, lets back to the active and half life concept. Testosterone itself is a hidrofilic drug. It means that free testosterone get a better solubility in water than fat. When you put an ester in the 17th carbon of testosterone, you make it a hidrofobic drug, and that means this new compound get a better solubility in fat than water. Many carbons an ester has more hidrofobic is the drug... thats why you wont find Test P in concentrations higher than 100mg/ml and Test E you can find even in 300mg/ml concentration. So, when you inject a drug you get it into an intramuscular depot, and this depot is in contact with the blood stream. Its good to remember that the blood is a water based compound. If you get into your intramuscular depot a high hidrofilic drug, like test suspension, it will be released into the blood stream very fast. But if you get a high hidrofobic drug, like Test E, the release rate is lower. The time needed to a shot be released into the blood stream is called active life. We dont count the half life of free testosterone because it is insignificant.

    And whats half life? Simples, is the half of active life. Pretty dumb, aM? It would be if the release rate was regular, but its not. Theorically, the higher release rate is in the half life of each drug.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Keep Building View Post
    6-8 days after you start the cycle the first shot will be eliminated. After that the testosterone level will be the same along all the cycle. I
    See, this is the main statement I have a problem with. I dont' care about the semantics of half life and active half life. I understand Enanthate can peak quickly I've seen HeavyIron's pic before.


    What I don't get is you saying that your TestE kicked in on day 8 and that the testosterone level is constant after day 8. That's just absolute garbage.

    I'm on week 8 of my test cycle and it just kicked in.

    No way Enanthate is "kicking in" on day 8. A lot of orals need more time than that. Just ludicrous.


    I mean jesus you're telling people to run Dbol for the first 6-8 days of the cycle because Test will kick in after day 8, this is insane... I can't believe i'm the only person objecting. I'm out of here.

    i don't want to be an ass but "hidrofobic" and "hidrofilic" reallllyyyy....
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    See, this is the main statement I have a problem with. I dont' care about the semantics of half life and active half life. I understand Enanthate can peak quickly I've seen HeavyIron's pic before.


    What I don't get is you saying that your TestE kicked in on day 8 and that the testosterone level is constant after day 8. That's just absolute garbage.

    I'm on week 8 of my test cycle and it just kicked in.

    No way Enanthate is "kicking in" on day 8. A lot of orals need more time than that. Just ludicrous.


    I mean jesus you're telling people to run Dbol for the first 6-8 days of the cycle because Test will kick in after day 8, this is insane... I can't believe i'm the only person objecting. I'm out of here.

    i don't want to be an ass but "hidrofobic" and "hidrofilic" reallllyyyy....
    Its your personal experience dude. Im bringing some cientific stuff here and telling what really happen.

    Im not saying that testosterone level is constant after day 8, but after that testosterone level wont raise substantially. Its pretty simple dude, if after 8-10 days the testosterone shot was completly eliminated how can the testosterone level raises if you keep the same dose and schedule? In te truth, it is insane.


    I cant understand how you start to feel the results just in week 8 man. Personally I see the results in 5-7 days with orals, and the gains keep coming after I stop orals when Im running test. Yeah man, hidrofilic and hidrofobic... too geek? Maybe, but its what makes the esterified steroids half life shorter or longer.

  25. 420mg per wk 10 wks, gained 25-27 lbs initially, some unrelated health issues
    kept me out of the gym afterwards for about 3 months though so i lost it.
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