anabolic diet confusion
- 01-25-2008, 07:31 PM
anabolic diet confusion
Bought and read the book. Today is day 12, no crash at all, feel great. No gas or mud blowing the whole time.......love it. Funny thing is, I weighed myself this morning for the first time since I began. I was up 1 lb. I'm not worried as much as I am confused. Did CKD about 4 years ago with great success, and in this same 12 day break in, I lost in the neighborhood of 10lbs. Anyone shed any light on this?
- 01-27-2008, 10:21 AM
- 01-27-2008, 10:33 AM
Yeh that is weird mate. I also had better results when I did a keto type diet a few years back as well. I also was waiting for alot of water weight to drop in the first week but I think I mostly lost glycogen on this first week of AD.
01-28-2008, 10:47 AM
01-28-2008, 02:17 PM
I've experienced the same thing. Tried Ketosis type diet twice, 18 months apart. After 2 week induction I was 12 lbs lighter. 18 months later, same diet, no weight loss.
Sorry, can't shed light.
01-28-2008, 06:37 PM
Not everyone has the genetic metabolism for low carb diets to work. Some people truly are genetically geared for a higher carb diet. How poorly they do on low carb diets is a function of how long they're on it. These people are often lean to begin with, however they are in the minority (20-25%).
However be careful of misdiagnosing yourself as a carb type. Most people are kidding themselves with how much carbs they need, and they don't do a low carb diet properly or give it enough time to really tell if it's right for them. Some people will give up after a week when it takes 2 weeks for decent adaptation in many, and up to 4 weeks for a stronger adaptation. Many people try to drop the cals low when starting the diet, and many also make the diet low fat. I would expect anyone to feel terrible trying this, so that doesn't mean you're a carb genotype.
01-28-2008, 06:41 PM
As I stated prior, I did a CKD for about 6 months with great results 4 years ago. I know I'm fine with a low carb diet. I went through the 12 day induction without even a sign of a crash. Strength has remained. The confusion comes from gaining 1 lb. No water loss? No glycogen loss? I'm not going to quit, I know it works, and I feel great on it. Just wondered if anyone had any idea how this is possible and if it's a huge deal. BTW, finished my first carb-up yesterday, up 2 lbs today.
01-29-2008, 11:56 AM
01-29-2008, 01:43 PM
01-29-2008, 01:51 PM
Just a wild guess here. Allergies or sensitivities? These can prevent weight loss and cause water retention.
I'm sure perhaps even certain medications could cause an issue with this, like prednisone for example.
01-29-2008, 02:44 PM
01-29-2008, 11:48 PM
Curious as to how you gave such a quick and definitive answer to the allergies/sensitivities thing.
Have you done extensive food elimination/provocation testing? Have you had blood allergy/sensitivity testing that also tests for delayed reactions?
01-30-2008, 04:27 AM
01-30-2008, 09:23 PM
Well that doesn't rule out food sensitivities...
02-04-2008, 12:52 AM
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02-04-2008, 07:28 AM
02-19-2008, 11:34 AM
The weird part is that I GAINED 7lbs. during the 3rd week and have put on 2 more pounds in the 4th week. I look better (less fat, more muscular), strength and stamina have been great in the gym, I haven't had any lethargy or fogginess.
I started creatine mono around the start of my low-carb diet, so I assume I'm pulling more water into the body... but 7 pounds??
The body is a funny piece of machinery. I'm still trying to figure it all out. I'm thinking about picking up Lyle McDonald's Keto book to help me out.
I guess the point of my post is to sympathize with your unusual weight fluctuations.
02-21-2008, 12:42 PM
02-21-2008, 11:39 PM
Meant to update............Got on the scale yesterday, was down 1lb. This is the end of week 6, I have officially lost a lb. Have yet to measure, try it tomorrow.
02-22-2008, 11:38 PM
OK. So, I get on the scale friday morning. Reads that I am right about even from where I started. Prior to leaving the house I measured my waist the same place I measured when I began. I used a ****ty tape measure and it was a crude measurement. I did it twice to be sure, but it read that I lost 2 inches. Not sure if it's entirely correct, as I used a different tape measure. Not even sure that's possible, but I guess it means I've lost something anyway.
02-23-2008, 07:07 AM
02-23-2008, 11:25 AM
Update: remeasured with original tape measure, at night before bed(should have waited until morning), read only 1/2" loss. Who knows????????
02-28-2008, 02:42 PM
My confusion deepens.............been getting on the scale every day(I know I'm not supposed to, just curious to see the progression during the week after carb up). Anyway, was down to 290 yesterday, so I was encouraged. Today, sale read 291. So, after 7 weeks, I have lost a grand total of 0 lbs. Changed my ratios this week to 55%f 40%p @ 3400 cals. Guess I'm gonna have to drop it to 3000. Anyone have anything to add?
02-28-2008, 05:11 PM
How do you look? Are you doing other measuements other than scale weight? ie if you lost inches around the waist, then it's possible to add muscle and lose fat. Like I said earlier, I added weight and lost waist inches.
02-28-2008, 06:44 PM
02-29-2008, 10:00 AM
So...scale weight is the same but the waist is an inch smaller?
You lost fat and gained muscle.
Do you look OK? Do you feel OK? Is it just that you're not progressing as fast as you'd like?
02-29-2008, 11:47 AM
That means you could be doing close to 1.5 lb's of fat a week which is close to the maximum recommended amount you're supposed to lose.
In any case you will need to start lowering your calories as you loose weigth to keep seeing results. You need to lower your fats slowly too. If you're 1000 calories below maintenance, then you will loose 2 lb's of a fat a week.
02-29-2008, 01:51 PM
02-29-2008, 02:47 PM
02-29-2008, 03:06 PM
Sorry carry on fella's
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02-29-2008, 03:08 PM
Yea true what botch said. My fats been lower than normal, just 10-30gr, and I do look "flater" than usual
Serious Nutrition Solutions Representative
03-06-2008, 11:41 PM
03-07-2008, 01:03 AM
Started at 4500. Strength has remained the same. Weight all the way down to 289. I feel that 3100 is too low as well, but wasn't seeing results. 3480 being X 12, I brought it down 300 cals, all from fat. So, I'm eating 345 p, 190 f.
03-07-2008, 08:28 AM
What's your bodyfat?
You can 'safely' lose 31 calories per pound of fat a day before you start burning LBM for fuel.
So if you're 25% BF X 290 LB's = 72.5
72.5 x 31 = 2232
You can go 2232 below maintenance and still pretty much retain your LBM.
For all intensive purposes I wouldn't go as low as possible and risk possible LBM, so maybe cut 1500-2000 (max). That yeilds 2000 x 7 = 14000 calories a week which is about 4 solid LB's of fat lost a week with virtuall no LBM lost... you may lose strength but most likely due to lower glycogen when you lift.
You have to adjust this eventually, and you have to know roughly your true maintenance level based on activity bodyweight, etc.
03-07-2008, 11:48 AM
03-07-2008, 11:53 AM
The diet can also cause you to get 'backed up' so to speak. So if you increase your fiber intake and get rid of the 'back up,' you may lose another 5 lb's, lol.
You could always keep your cals around 3400, be more sated, but then do enough cardio to burn the extra 250 cals a day, which would be like a 15-20 min jog or less.
03-14-2008, 11:32 AM
Had a sh1tty refeed last weekend, was in AC and had a bunch of drinks and really not enough to eat. Anyway, seems my strength went up this week as I used the 140lb dumbells for incline, and went to the 125 dumbells for arnold presses. Was a little discouraged by the scale again as it read 290. This morning, however, I took another waist measurement and it read I was down 2". I see it, down 2", just having trouble believing strength going up, waist going down and scale not moving. Now I'm baffled for good reasons, it appears.
03-14-2008, 11:37 AM
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