SOY Protein... Helpful or Harmful???
- 08-10-2007, 03:02 PM
- 08-10-2007, 03:06 PM
08-10-2007, 03:08 PM
...any one else want to comment on this one...?
Reaper...? Any ideas...
08-10-2007, 03:21 PM
You are correct in Halodrol being a mild compound. IMO it is a very good combination all around in terms of solid gains/side effects. Typically the Nolva dosing is as follows
I don't know how you plan to take Chlorodrol-50 (I'm guessing 50mg/ED) which again is mild, you are correct. People suggest following the 40,40,20,20 protocol b/c it is tried and true, and it works. Is it an overkill ? Maybe in this case. Would it be more applicable for something like Superdrol or Phera-Plex ? Definitly. We are saying to run that dosaging b/c it works, and it is effective. It is better to be safe than sorry.
08-10-2007, 03:26 PM
08-10-2007, 04:06 PM
I'm honestly not sure about pulsing. I've never done it before so I cannot say. It is probably best to ask DR.D or someone who has pulsed a compound before.
08-10-2007, 04:11 PM
08-10-2007, 04:12 PM
They say 'pulsing' a compound like halodrol for example would generally yield 7 lbs of good muscle rather than 10 if taken on an ED basis, but side effects go waaayyy down (most times PCT isn't absolutely necessary--depending on the compound) and though you don't gain as much, you often keep all the muscle you put on.
I just have to ask myself if I can stay committed for 2 months (that's how long it will take if I pulse it vice an ED cycle)...
08-10-2007, 04:16 PM
Personally I don't like the idea of pulsing. When you are being supressed by an outside compound your suppressed. I feel that compounds should just be ran all the way through so you get the full effect. Pulsing sounds like a good idea and I'm not bashing it, but I don't think the compound when it was manufactured by the company made it to be pulsed. At the same time Halodrol is such a mild compound I don't think there is much to benefit from a pulse.
At any rate, that is just my personal opinion.
08-10-2007, 04:16 PM
...And another thing...DO YOU WANT TO DO MY JOB? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT... Take your 10 rep points somewhere else...
08-10-2007, 04:20 PM
08-10-2007, 04:21 PM
08-10-2007, 04:24 PM
Perhaps your reading comprehension skills are what landed you in the military in the first place...
08-10-2007, 04:25 PM
Okay...the hostility...maybe not such a good thing right now. I've just been stuck out here for a few days shy of 7 months. It really screws with you head. When I get back after long stints like this I can't sleep for the first 3 or 4 nights, there's no constant hum of gas turbines, I have to sleep with the TV on. I get nauseas from NOT moving with the motion of the waves. It blows...LOL
Yeah, I'll be in port for the next 2 months or so... I'll be fine with the Nolvadex once I do actually start the cycle...
08-10-2007, 04:30 PM
08-10-2007, 04:31 PM
What's this CASEIN protein I see on Optimum Nutrition's website?
What is a decent price that you normally pay, I see $30 for 2 lbs (of egg)...
I gotta roll guys... Reaper, good talking to you bud...
Xodus, sorry man...I get a little edgy afte a while. No hard feelings, I gotta roll...
08-10-2007, 04:36 PM
Check trueprotein.com Egg White Protein is $10.79/lb and Whole Egg Protein is $9.99/lb
Casein is good whey! It digests slowly, so its not a great PWO shake, but it is very good for your Pre-Bed Shake. Casein is what is in Cottage Cheese (curds & whey) The curds are the casein protein.
08-10-2007, 04:46 PM
but pulsing is a rather good idea to lesson the side effects yet make the cycle still worth while. however i would still make sure i had more SERM available. as far as your whey goes, have u tried lactose free whey isolate? i have the same problem and sh!t a storm when i use regular whey but whey isolate has fixed the problem.
08-10-2007, 08:14 PM
I tried generic superdrol once last year Jan '06. I did it for 4 days and threw away the bottle. At the time I was still fairly new into bodybuilding and I was not sure what the compound was. It was given to me by a friend and the side effects from it were very harsh....yes I started running it immediately at 30mg....stupid i know..like I said last I was still fairly new into bodybuilding and I was not sure exactly what it was. I'm glad I tossed it and I'm not doing orals/ps/ph/gear ever again.
08-10-2007, 08:22 PM
but it happens. my only wonder was where your knowledge was coming from cuz i was under the impression you have never used. so i was curious. superdrol if you get the original is really not all that harsh it is like most steroids hard on the lipid profiles, but that is expected. other than that most sides i have ever noted was aggression. bloodwork always clean. pulsing tho, is a very good idea with anything doctors pulse patients all the time so no harm is done other than reducing sides.
08-10-2007, 08:30 PM
I would take a hefty dose of Nolva with that Soy shake...jk, but that's how dangerous I think soy is.
08-10-2007, 08:32 PM
08-10-2007, 09:00 PM
08-10-2007, 09:49 PM
I technically ingested a total of 120mg those 4 days of a superdrol clone before I stopped. It made me really sick around the 3rd day, but I decided to just try it a 4th till I got sick again. I didn't know the original was different than the clones. I was under the impression that it was exactly the same thing as AX put out. anyways, since then I've had 2 work annual physicals with bloodwork that came out alright so my assumption was that it was one of those 'live and learn' type deals. At any rate, if people want to use that kind of stuff that is a personal decision, but I'm not willing to play that game so that's my take on it.
08-10-2007, 11:57 PM
Ahhh...I see, no Casein for me then. I'm gonna get myself some Egg protein. From what I gather in all of this conversation, it's hard to say if soy is actually evil or not... Do I want to gamble with it anymore...? Definitely not.
Yes I have tried the "Lactose Free" "Whey Isolate"... Gut rot... for me at least. I'm not really sure why if it actually is lactose free like they say.
I'm still pretty unsure whether I want to take it ED or pulse it...
If I pulse it, I may not even need PCT but I'll have the 30 tabs/10mg Nolvadex anyway. If I take it ED I'll need more Nolvadex. Still hard to say. I've got about a month before I go on cycle. Like I mentioned before, I'll keep a log and let everyone know whats going on...
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