Red meat Vs. chicken or turkey

[warrior737]

I believe red meat like ground beef produces better gains vs chicken or ground turkey? I seem to get better gains from beef or steak vs chicken or turkey. My muscle hardness also seems better. ( I do also supplement with creatine). I noticed I have to eat less red meat at a sitting to feel satisfied. Anyone else have some thoughts on this?

 

[goodvibes]

Not on my part. Carbs plays a bigger role in my diet than types of protein sources. As long as I get ~200g+ of protein I feel good.

 

[goodvibes]

Some feels diff though. It's not abnormal to experience what you're feeling. I've come across people who can relate to you

 

[JudoJosh]

Its in your head

 

[warrior737]

My brother in law is a lifter also and a huge red meat advocate. He turned me on to it after a year of me eating chicken and ground turkey seeing minimal results in strength gains or body comp changes. I felt like it was some what counter productive. I shredded up a bit but lost a lot of size and strength. While maintaining similar Bf %. Don't get me wrong I still love turkey and chicken. But my lifts seemed to go up again and my body comp changed slightly with the red meat. Im still lean but stronger. Not sure about my cholesterol though. lol.

 

[RegisterJr]

I can't notice a physical difference, but I bet if you recorded me eating a bloody rare steak I'd have a larger smile on my face than I would eating chicken.

 

[warrior737]

I can eat a lb of steak or a lb of chicken. After the chicken I want a snack. After the steak I want a nap. I definitely like to hear others thoughts on this. I know everyone body is different. And it takes more energy to digest red meat. or so they say. But I'm talking about strength, size gains, and body comp changes. O natural. un adulterated. This was off any kind of cycle at all times while testing this theory of mine.

 

[warrior737]

I can't notice a physical difference, but I bet if you recorded me eating a bloody rare steak I'd have a larger smile on my face than I would eating chicken.

nom nom nom bloody steak. I like mine to moo still.

 

[RegisterJr]

I can eat a lb of steak or a lb of chicken. After the chicken I want a snack. After the steak I want a nap. I definitely like to hear others thoughts on this. I know everyone body is different. And it takes more energy to digest red meat. or so they say. But I'm talking about strength, size gains, and body comp changes. O natural. un adulterated. This was off any kind of cycle at all times while testing this theory of mine.

I've never really heard of anyone sticking to red meats only or heavily enough, for long enough, to be able to compare the two and how they affect overall gains.

 

[Driven2lift]

Chicken as appetizer, steak as main

Problem solved

 

[beastinc]

Red meats > "lean" meats

Tastier. Solid combination of fat + protein.
Usually 2 servings/day minimum.

 

[AntM1564]

There will not be a difference in terms of body comp. I only eat red meat occasionally, they sit in my stomach like a brick.

 

[beastinc]

There will not be a difference in terms of body comp. I only eat red meat occasionally, they sit in my stomach like a brick.

Important to note ^^^

Body composition is not directly related to individual food choices and will be a function of your entire daily dietary intake.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

I believe red meat like ground beef produces better gains vs chicken or ground turkey?

interesting question
do I feel there is a difference? well, I do subscribe to and agree with Dorian Yates motto, ie red meat is more anabolic than others..
do I think it will play the same for everybody tho? nope
when you eat massive amounts of calories (and red meat) for extended periods of time, then yes perhaps one may be able to tell the difference more...

as for body comp:
depending on the grade of meat you are eating (ie, fat %), if you end up consuming more fat because of that venture and therefore tipping your fat % and overall intake enough, then yes it could very well play a part in testosterone production in the natural training athlete..cholesterol levels and overall fat intake certainly play a role in natural test production..

Its in your head

isn't that a function in and of itself tho?
I mean placebro is placebro - but if the mind is stronger than we think it is, and we have this placebo effect that we believe is making a difference - who's to say that that cannot influence the outcome?
:dunno:

I've never really heard of anyone sticking to red meats only or heavily enough, for long enough, to be able to compare the two and how they affect overall gains.

you haven't followed me long enough

I used to eat mostly solely red meat for a long time, and it still is a fav of mine and majority of what I eat, but I also like to mix in portions of other meats (chicken/turkey/tuna/salmon etc) and eat simultaneously, like an equal portion of beef + _____ (fill in the blank) at each serving

 

[The Solution]

There will not be a difference in terms of body comp. I only eat red meat occasionally, they sit in my stomach like a brick.

This..
Can't eat much beef/steak or else it bloats me to no end. Wish it was different or i would eat more of it often.
Whole eggs are fine on my system, but different sources of fats tend to digest much better, so I stick to what suits my body and digestive tract.
The best method is to rotate your protein sources and see what suits you best as an individual, there are plus's of using all of them with various micronutrients and vitamins/minerals. None should be avoided unless there are personal problems or digestion problems that may cause discomfort or bloating.

 

[T-Bone]

If I had the money I'd be eating steaks all day long!. Three times a week minimum. If it sits in your stomach eat more fiber or get a fiber supplement. I use psyllium husk daily. It's the one supplement I absolutely won't go without. Meat never bloats me at all. Carbs on the other hand turn me into the "Stay-Puffed marshmallow man!.".

 

[snagencyV2.0]

there are plus's of using all of them with various micronutrients and vitamins/minerals. None should be avoided unless there are personal problems or digestion problems that may cause discomfort or bloating.

for GP, yes this should be the guiding principle for 99% of the guys out there
balance is a good thing

 

[cumminslifter]

Red meats > "lean" meats

Tastier. Solid combination of fat + protein.
Usually 2 servings/day minimum.

well look who it is

 

[warrior737]

This..
Can't eat much beef/steak or else it bloats me to no end. Wish it was different or i would eat more of it often.
Whole eggs are fine on my system, but different sources of fats tend to digest much better, so I stick to what suits my body and digestive tract.
The best method is to rotate your protein sources and see what suits you best as an individual, there are plus's of using all of them with various micronutrients and vitamins/minerals. None should be avoided unless there are personal problems or digestion problems that may cause discomfort or bloating.

I love eggs as well but my heart intermittently races. I forgot what its called. But eggs alone don't tend to sit well with my body unless added to something else. Sort of sucks. I use to smash down 6-8 eggs a day easy.

 

[warrior737]

If I had the money I'd be eating steaks all day long!. Three times a week minimum. If it sits in your stomach eat more fiber or get a fiber supplement. I use psyllium husk daily. It's the one supplement I absolutely won't go without. Meat never bloats me at all. Carbs on the other hand turn me into the "Stay-Puffed marshmallow man!.".

Same here carbs will bloat me up.

 

[AntM1564]

If I had the money I'd be eating steaks all day long!. Three times a week minimum. If it sits in your stomach eat more fiber or get a fiber supplement. I use psyllium husk daily. It's the one supplement I absolutely won't go without. Meat never bloats me at all. Carbs on the other hand turn me into the "Stay-Puffed marshmallow man!.".

I get plenty of fiber, I don't know if red meat digests slower than white meats. However, it does not mean I don't like red meat, I cannot resist bison!

 

[beastinc]

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[AntM1564]

Making my way downtown, walking fast, faces pass and I'm homebound *DA NA NA NA NA NA NA*

You should be negged for that lol

 

[beastinc]

You should be negged for that lol

How about you fight me IRL *******?!




















Not serious.
5'9 you on dat reach advantage time.

 

[cumminslifter]

Making my way downtown, walking fast, faces pass and I'm homebound *DA NA NA NA NA NA NA*

am i the only one who sang this while reading?

 

[Spaniard]

It's not unheard of for someone to achieve a higher satiety effect from different macros or combos thereof. I can straight go to town on carbs where fat and protein as found in red meat leaves me feeling full.

You also have to realize that oz for oz red meat is going to contain quite a bit more calories

 

[RegisterJr]

am i the only one who sang this while reading?

I hope so...

 

[warrior737]

am i the only one who sang this while reading?

hahaha.

 

[alexoc949]

I feel like a ****ing beast when i eat me up some pork. Chops, loins, roast, bbq whatever... it strokes my appetite and makes feel charged up. Problem is i can eat way too much of it so i mostly stay away from pork. I feel like a fat kid with a half gallon of ice cream. Never seen better muscle fullness from various protein sources tho.

 

[hvactech]

The food choice in general wont increase gains based on a direct comparison... now comparing sirloin to chicken id take the steak for the fat and calorie content over chicken

 

[Spaniard]

The food choice in general wont increase gains based on a direct comparison... now comparing sirloin to chicken id take the steak for the fat and calorie content over chicken

If he's not counting cals or paying attention to macros, the food choice on a direct comparison WILL increase gains due to the differences in calorie density in chicken or turkey vs red meat.

OP, you stated that you feel full faster and feel fuller, harder and stronger when you eat red meat. I think snags touched on the point itself a little also. You may want to look into your fat intake as it sounds like when you're eating red meat you are benefitting from the fat intake.

You also may be noticing more from the additional calories that red meat provides

 

[hvactech]

If he's not counting cals or paying attention to macros, the food choice on a direct comparison WILL increase gains due to the differences in calorie density in chicken or turkey vs red meat.

OP, you stated that you feel full faster and feel fuller, harder and stronger when you eat red meat. I think snags touched on the point itself a little also. You may want to look into your fat intake as it sounds like when you're eating red meat you are benefitting from the fat intake.

You also may be noticing more from the additional calories that red meat provides

Of course im taking in consideration overall macro consumption... apples to apples red meat will provide more "gains" and not to mention tastes better

 

[Spaniard]

Of course im taking in consideration overall macro consumption... apples to apples red meat will provide more "gains" and not to mention tastes better

I assumed you were . Just making sure he knew lol

 

[warrior737]

If he's not counting cals or paying attention to macros, the food choice on a direct comparison WILL increase gains due to the differences in calorie density in chicken or turkey vs red meat.

OP, you stated that you feel full faster and feel fuller, harder and stronger when you eat red meat. I think snags touched on the point itself a little also. You may want to look into your fat intake as it sounds like when you're eating red meat you are benefitting from the fat intake.

You also may be noticing more from the additional calories that red meat provides

I was also thinking the increased fat content should have something to do with it.

 

[JudoJosh]

am i the only one who sang this while reading?

I didnt make the connection until you posted this. Then when I re-read it the tune popped in my head

 

[Oscar]

I'm strictly on chicken right now due to my low paying factory job. hope I get that raise in 2.5 months cause 11.25 an hr ain't **** when you got bills and a 2 year old.

 

[jaces]

Maybe ur body just prefers red meat?? I eat game and chicken twice a day and dnt realy feel satisfied haha always ****ing hungry

 

[Jiigzz]

It's not unheard of for someone to achieve a higher satiety effect from different macros or combos thereof. I can straight go to town on carbs where fat and protein as found in red meat leaves me feeling full.

You also have to realize that oz for oz red meat is going to contain quite a bit more calories

I feel this needs to be reiterated.. red meat has a combination of fat and protein wherwas chicken breast is predominantly protein.. calorie wise this makes a difference

 

[Rocket3015]

I love Red Meat. I eat a lot of Venison !

 

[warrior737]

Venison stew is my favorite. Marinate the venison in oj for a few days prior.I love to add the liver to it as well.

 

[RegisterJr]

One more month til rifle season...

 

[jaces]

One more month til rifle season...

Haha lol

 

[cumminslifter]

One more month til rifle season...

no rifles allowed in iowa

 

[RegisterJr]

no rifles allowed in iowa

Seriously? Wth?

I have a bow too but need some work with it before participating in bow seasons.

 

[warrior737]

Bow season here

 

[cumminslifter]

Seriously? Wth?

I have a bow too but need some work with it before participating in bow seasons.

shotgun,bow, and muzzle loader. I just do shotgun

 

[jaces]

In SA its hunting time all the time

 

[TheIronAsylum]

i personally just cant do chicken or tuna constantly cant stand them



wish i had some guys to go hunting with or friends who hunt would like years worth of game meat

 

[jaces]

i personally just cant do chicken or tuna constantly cant stand them

wish i had some guys to go hunting with or friends who hunt would like years worth of game meat

Take a cooking coarse ,, helps if you can spice it in different ways

 

[T-Bone]

Those cooking classes can be pretty rough.