Diet for losing stomach fat but gaining muscle?
- 08-23-2013, 12:43 PM
- 08-23-2013, 12:49 PM
Carb cycling along with calorie cycling. Hard to do and tedious. Why are you affraid of losing muscle? Muscle memory is a great natural tool.Online community manager/lead rep of Chaos and Pain,LLC and Fundamental Nutrition.Check us out!chaosandpain.com fnsupps.com Follow me on instagram:@pyrobatt
08-23-2013, 12:51 PM
08-23-2013, 08:05 PM
You need to calculate your TDEE, and then work out diet from there, ensuring you get the necessary macros. There will be an element of trial and error. No one can simply 'give' you a diet that will automatically work. There are some very useful calculators at iifym.com
08-24-2013, 05:47 AM
08-24-2013, 07:51 AM
What thing? TDEE? It's your Total Daily Energy Expenditure. Lots of info on iifym.com, check it out.
08-24-2013, 08:30 AM
thannks buddy. Well im from Germany all they say here is oyu either go on a cut or on a bulk there is nothing in between
08-24-2013, 09:09 AM
There is slightly more to it than that. Depends on your goals and everyone is different, no one size fits all approach.
08-24-2013, 02:05 PM
I recommend you try a CKD were you diet in ketosis all week then carb up over the weekend. very effective for your specific goal.
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08-24-2013, 02:07 PM
He still needs to work out what macro split he would need, so first task is to find out your TDEE, then calculate your macros based on whatever diet you want to try, be that keto or otherwise.
08-24-2013, 07:45 PM
08-24-2013, 08:27 PM
You cant lose fat and gain muscle.
Your trying to do two things
Gain Muscle = Caloric Surplus
Lose Fat = Caloric Deficit.
You will be trying to do what every magazine states you can do but in general this only applies to individuals who are very new to training,
Question: I want to reduce my body fat percentage but I also want to gain muscle and would rather not diet. A guy at my gym told me that if I gain muscle, this will have the effect of reducing body fat percentage, is this true?
Answer: Yes and no. Strictly speaking, yes, if you can gain muscle without any accompanying fat gain, you will reduce your body fat percentage. However, the reality is that when you work the math, the impact of gaining muscle mass is minuscule approaching irrelevant, especially compared to the impact of actually losing fat through diet/activity.
To illustrate this, let’s consider an average lifter who is 170 pounds with 15% body fat. As I showed in Body Composition Calculations, we can determine the total amount of body fat (in pounds) that this person is carrying by multiplying their weight by 15% (or 0.15). So our lifter has
170 pounds * 0.15 = 25 pounds of body fat and 145 pounds of lean body mass. We don’t actually need the lean body mass number for any of the calculations I’m going to do.
Let’s look at how much of an impact gaining pure muscle mass has in terms of changing body fat percentage. For these calculations, I’ll assume that the lifter is gaining 100% muscle and no fat; please note that this is not usually a good assumption. But it makes the math easier.
The table below demonstrates how various increases in muscle mass affect body fat percentage; note that his fat mass will stay static at 25 pounds throughout the calculations. So all I’m doing is dividing total fat mass (25 pounds) by the new body weight after adding the muscle that was gained. For the unadulterated hell of it, in addition to more reasonable numbers, I’ve done the calculation assuming this lifter can gain a whopping 40 pounds of true muscle mass with zero fat gain.
Impact of Muscle Gain on Body Fat Percentage
Muscle Gain Fat Mass Total Weight Body Fat Percentage
5 pounds 25 pounds 175 pounds 14.2%
10 pounds 25 pounds 180 pounds 13.8%
15 pounds 25 pounds 185 pounds 13.5%
20 pounds 25 pounds 190 pounds 13.1%
40 pounds 25 pounds 210 pounds 11.9%
As you can see, adding muscle mass doesn’t really have the impact on body fat percentage that you might hope. Every 5 pounds of true muscle gained reduces body fat percentage slightly (by about 0.4%). Sure, if our lifter can gain a tremendous 40 pounds of muscle mass with no fat gain, he will reduce his body fat percentage by nearly 4% but we need to consider the time frame involved here.
As discussed in What’s My Genetic Muscular Potential, with realistic rates of muscle gain, it might take this lifter 3-4 years to gain that 40 pounds of muscle mass. That’s if he gains it at all (i.e. it may be beyond his personal genetic potential).
As well, it would be staggeringly unlikely for this lifter to gain that much muscle without gaining some fat; and by ‘staggeringly unlikely’, I mean basically impossible.
Now, for comparison, let’s look at the impact of fat loss on body fat percentage. The calculations here are a little more complex because both fat mass and total weight are changing. The table below demonstrates how losing fat impacts on body fat percentage, using values similar to the above. For what should be obvious reasons, I can’t do the calculation for a 40 pound fat loss since our lifter only has 25 pounds to start with. If he lost 40 pounds of fat, he’d be long dead.
Impact of Fat Loss on Body Fat Percentage
Fat Loss Fat Mass Total Weight Body Fat Percentage
5 pounds 20 pounds 165 pounds 12%
10 pounds 15 pounds 160 pounds 9.3%
15 pounds 10 pounds 155 pounds 6.4%
20 pounds 5 pounds 150 pounds 3.3%
See the difference? Whereas a 5 pound gain in muscle only lowered body fat percentage by less than 1%, the same 5 pound fat loss lowers it a full 3%. By the time the lifter has lost 10 pounds of fat, he’s dropped from 15% to 9.3% body fat; the same 10 pound muscle gain only lowered body fat percentage by 1.2%. And where a 20 pound gain in muscle only lowered body fat percentage from 15% to 11%, the same 20 pound fat loss took him from 15% to full contest leanness.
Additionally, since fat can be lost much faster than muscle can be gained, it should be clear that losing fat is a far more effective method of lowering body fat percentage. On a hard diet such as the Rapid Fat Loss Handbook, our lifter could achieve a true 5 pound fat loss in 2 weeks, compare that to the roughly 10 weeks it might take him to gain the same amount of muscle.
Even on a more traditional diet, a 5 pound fat loss should be easily achievable within 5 weeks; twice as quickly as the same gain in muscle mass and with a much greater impact on body fat percentage. And where the 20 pound fat loss might take 20-24 weeks (taking the lifter from 15% to shredded), compare that to the 1-2 years it would take to gain the same amount of muscle mass.
Which is why I said yes and no originally.
Yes, gaining muscle mass can have an impact on body fat percentage but the effects are generally very small and I think it’s an inefficient way of approaching the goal. Losing the same amount of body fat can not only be done much more quickly compared to gaining muscle, the equivalent fat loss has a much larger effect on body fat percentage compared to gaining muscle.
08-25-2013, 02:36 PM
If you're looking for someone to just tell you exactly what to eat, forget it... someone might, but it wouldn't get you the desired results. This takes effort, don't expect someone to just give you a simple answer, that's not how it works.
08-25-2013, 08:34 PM
When you find this diet, please PM me the link.
Other than that, The Solution pretty much laid it out for you.
08-25-2013, 08:49 PM
08-30-2013, 05:18 PM
What everyone has said, sample diets are just that a sample of what someone randomly came up with. You might as well give us a sample diet at this rate and we can just say well yeah that wont work for me because I need more or less then XYZ.
Tell you what, take some thermo's and see if that will work for yah (sarcasm)
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08-30-2013, 08:44 PM
08-31-2013, 09:02 AM
08-31-2013, 12:15 PM
i almost had to smak the wifey when she rolled up with a gold card and two tubs of protonz... yeah this was like 3 months ago. wasn't even i force protonz neither...
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08-31-2013, 04:20 PM
08-31-2013, 07:46 PM
nope she wouldn't have it! lol she made the decision so she wanted to use it. at least it didn't go to waste.
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09-02-2013, 05:49 AM
First and foremost welcome to AM glad to have you. To help you along your way I need to know how much you weigh. Understand the number that we will come up with is just a STARTING point and that it will take some adjusting on your end to really fine tune what you're looking for. I also need to know what you do for work I.e. is it in an office all day or working outside doing construction this will help factor where to start.
So if you haven't been scared off by a few bullies let me know your weight and we'll go from there.
Once we figure out your daily caloric intake we can then help you figure out a few ways to reach that intake to optimize some fat loss
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09-03-2013, 02:59 PM
every time I ask a question hopin to get some answers, people always have something smart to say like all the comments above. pretty annoying considering all I ask for is advice. it's cool tho
09-03-2013, 06:43 PM
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and so on, then are you likely going to eat any of that? Despite the fact iut nay be programmed to cater for your goals, it is unlikely you would adhere to this program over the long term. What you instead need is an understanding of how to program for yourself so that you incorporate foods that you enjoy and are thus more likely to eat on a regular and continual basis.
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09-03-2013, 08:47 PM
The body is not a textbook,
what works for one does not work for another
Using a cookie cutter diet plan of listing foods and amounts does not yield progress. it will mostly lead to 1) an eating disorder from limiting yourself to X foods
2) a broken meabolism for the most part (especially cutting)
3) The client being less motivated because they are doing the same thing everyday day in and day out and may lose focus.
Again your trying to do 2 things that dont work
Cutting to lose fat = Caloric deficit
Gain muscle / size / strength = caloric surplus
both goals do not match. Pick one and go after it.
09-03-2013, 09:48 PM
09-04-2013, 02:46 AM
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