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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Reading the Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf now.
    Primal Blue Print, Mark Simmon and his website Marks Daily Apple are great resources as well.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat

    Primal Blue Print, Mark Simmon and his website Marks Daily Apple are great resources as well.
    Appreciate that. Basically like just getting the info portion from it. Got a diet I am doing now already. Kind of falls in line with Paleo.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    Primal Blue Print, Mark Simmon and his website Marks Daily Apple are great resources as well.
    His approach is by far the best paleo variation ive seen
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Just to add to the conv, being a fat burner is much more beneficial from many standpoints than being sugar burner.
    Ex. some years ago I was basically a sugar burner and if someone told me I would eat just fat and protein in the future I would say they are crazy. Today, I primarely burn fat for energy and eat some carbs to add to my diet but what's important is I can go keto in no time if I so choose to only eat fat and protein. My body is that conditioned. I feel 100% better eating a few natural carbs and mostly fat and protein. Most importantly, my body fat dropped into single digits and my overall health has improved greatly. So, paleo at least is a good start to drop processed foods and eat more natural. After a while on this diet everyone can make diet adjustments to suit their needs.
    Interesting response, I'm a little like this too. Keto has been the best for me, or a very balanced diet with mostly veggies and protein with limited fruit and starches.

    Finding what works best for your body is key. What works for one person may not for the next.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by missesmonique View Post
    Interesting response, I'm a little like this too. Keto has been the best for me, or a very balanced diet with mostly veggies and protein with limited fruit and starches.

    Finding what works best for your body is key. What works for one person may not for the next.
    I found through trial and error that I really didnt need that many carbs. What it's interesting is that fat and carbs are just energy that gets broken down 2 different ways. As you said, what works for one person may not work for another is true, based on how well ppl's digestive and energy production is adapted to work on either energy source or perhaps both equally. This could be an adaptive trait, maybe disease or just genetics.
    Looking at native american indians they are terrible being sugar burners, as suppose to asian people who all eat rice all their life. I think there lays the secret is to find out what your body preffers in what quantities. Overall though, being a mainly fat burner is a much more beneficial trait even though carbs are ok in certain situations as an add on energy source if there is a large energy expandature.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Pandabear View Post
    I can also attest to the fact that being a fat burner made me feel a ton better physically and mentally, although I do CKD on a 7 day a week stint. I enjoy the break mentally, not having to worry about carbohydrate intake for an evening; at other times I just stay keto.
    I like how I feel too on low carb or no carb. Many ppl complain of low energy which is mostly because their body is not used to burn fat for energy or eat enough calories.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by vassille

    I like how I feel too on low carb or no carb. Many ppl complain of low energy which is mostly because their body is not used to burn fat for energy or eat enough calories.
    Ya my body seems to ache less. Joints were constantly hurting. Now I just carb up every 5-7 days.

  8. Carbs are too involved in muscle-building processes. Its called insulin. And meat alone does not illicit a strong enough insulin response to shuttle proper amino acids and nutrients to muscle cells. Certain aminos can only be transported via insulin thus carbs are needed at every meal when bulking.

  9. True. I'm goin thru the same thing by cutting back on my carbs as of now. Yet, I also train intensely when it comes to legs, so on those days I have agreed to carb up regardless since the extra glycogen is appreciated during training.

  10. i kinda feel it's tough for me to grow on really low carb. i have been thus trying to eat more carbs, but still clean.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post
    i kinda feel it's tough for me to grow on really low carb. i have been thus trying to eat more carbs, but still clean.
    It is tough for some of us like "ectomorphs". If I'm cutting carbs its because I'm cutting fat. That's the only reason I would do such a thing honestly. For bulking I like a high carb/high protein diet more than a high fat/high protein diet for a few reasons:

    1) Reducing fats quickens the food breakdown in the stomach. Bad thing here is that it could lead to an insulin surge causing fat gain. The good part is that the food doesn't stay in your stomach very long and hunger sets in pretty soon afterwards. I have found that carbs/ high protein amounts with low fat is a good compromise. It doesn't cause a sugar rush/crash but it also doesn't fill you up too long either. Eating fibrous carbs at every meal also helps as well.

    2) Good carbs have a lot of nutrients to offer. Generally speaking, fat only offers calories. I realize fats play roles other than just offering energy but in the realm of comparing fats to carbs, fats do not offer as much micro-nutritional benefits.

    I've noticed that our western society really embraces low carb/no carb diets far more than they embrace a balanced approach. My speculation is that part of this is due to the number of overweight, obese and "endomorphic" people there are in our society. There is no doubt low carb diets cause fat loss but that doesn't necessarily equate to a "healthy" diet and certainly doesn't mean that its ideal for bodybuilders trying to pack on muscle mass.

    The fact is, regardless of what you eat, you have to go workout and peform regular and challenging cardio to have any real results. I think people are taking extreme approaches to dieting because they are unwilling to take any approach to consistent dedication in the gym. Thus, we have ideas like, "let's try starving oursevles and eat no carbs for 6 months"...but obviously those diets are not sustainable or healthy. I think that is where Paleo probably came from. Someone tried to take a more modest & common sense approach to the "keto" diet by realizing that carbs can be allowed at certain times and for certain purposes. Interestingly, the OP is also saying the even Paleo isn't sustainable for him either.

  12. i agree that balance is key. i really need to start tracking my calories/macros

  13. Im doing what you can so call I paleo plan but with raw grass fed milk.I feel no better if not worse but figured out Im not eating enough.Only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why so many say this is a great plan did they know cavemen avg life span was 16yrs old??I use it as a guide and mainly swapped grains/starchs for fruits/veggies.

    As everything in life over time we make things alot better for the most part with exception of processed foods.
    I say eat clean,as much fresh foods as possiable and for non country folk organic.(I have fruit stands/markets,butcher shops,dairies)all are fresh free range ect..and most important cheaper then a store.

    Remember were not chasing down that friggin deer to eat or killing it with our bare hands,so for all the die hard paleo people out there until you actually stalk/kill/skin your game build a fire without a lighter and not drink from a sink its not paleo.Just my 2 cents.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by 67nova View Post
    Im doing what you can so call I paleo plan but with raw grass fed milk.I feel no better if not worse but figured out Im not eating enough.Only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why so many say this is a great plan did they know cavemen avg life span was 16yrs old??I use it as a guide and mainly swapped grains/starchs for fruits/veggies.

    As everything in life over time we make things alot better for the most part with exception of processed foods.
    I say eat clean,as much fresh foods as possiable and for non country folk organic.(I have fruit stands/markets,butcher shops,dairies)all are fresh free range ect..and most important cheaper then a store.

    Remember were not chasing down that friggin deer to eat or killing it with our bare hands,so for all the die hard paleo people out there until you actually stalk/kill/skin your game build a fire without a lighter and not drink from a sink its not paleo.Just my 2 cents.
    hahaha

    By the way, fruits, while loaded with micro-nutrients, absolutely suck at having good nutrient partitioning unless you have been fasting or otherwise starving to death. Fructose tends to be stored as fatty acids, not as glycogen.

  15. For the fruits I eat 1-2 serv(25g each)a day,half-1 pre morning workout and go with a baked sweet potatoe post(only time/starch I eat)and snack on some berries or a apple later in day.And anything if you eat to much of gets stored as fat(protein/fat/ect...)

    My total fruit intake a week is not even 100g of cho so im really not worried about it being stored as fat,at 7% I could use some mybe?
    All this would really be more worried about if I was a bodybuilder im just a country guy that's been into fitness for awhile and was the fat kid until 10yrs ago(250lbs)traded my alcohol/drug addiction for fitness.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by 67nova View Post
    For the fruits I eat 1-2 serv(25g each)a day,half-1 pre morning workout and go with a baked sweet potatoe post(only time/starch I eat)and snack on some berries or a apple later in day.And anything if you eat to much of gets stored as fat(protein/fat/ect...)

    My total fruit intake a week is not even 100g of cho so im really not worried about it being stored as fat,at 7% I could use some mybe?
    All this would really be more worried about if I was a bodybuilder im just a country guy that's been into fitness for awhile and was the fat kid until 10yrs ago(250lbs)traded my alcohol/drug addiction for fitness.
    Yeah I wasn't eluding to the fact that you'd get fat on it, but rather, that fruit doesn't replenish muscle glycogen very well...if at all. In the case of fructose, a majority portion gets stored as fat regardless the amount consumed. The other portion gets stored as liver glycogen. This is not because of the amount eaten but because of the molecular science regarding the fructose chain. 2 modest servings a day isn't gonna harm anything though, especially when talking about apples. Those are generally the safest option.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion

    Yeah I wasn't eluding to the fact that you'd get fat on it, but rather, that fruit doesn't replenish muscle glycogen very well...if at all. In the case of fructose, a majority portion gets stored as fat regardless the amount consumed. The other portion gets stored as liver glycogen. This is not because of the amount eaten but because of the molecular science regarding the fructose chain. 2 modest servings a day isn't gonna harm anything though, especially when talking about apples. Those are generally the safest option.
    Which is why I tend to stay away from fruit for the most part.

  18. When I do eat fruit(mostly fresh berries and apples)I drink raw apple cider vinegar and with all the calcium I get don't think a lot is going to liver(calcium helps to direct to muscle)cider keeps blood sugar stable.

  19. i eat quite a bit of fruit

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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    Yeah I wasn't eluding to the fact that you'd get fat on it, but rather, that fruit doesn't replenish muscle glycogen very well...if at all. In the case of fructose, a majority portion gets stored as fat regardless the amount consumed. The other portion gets stored as liver glycogen. This is not because of the amount eaten but because of the molecular science regarding the fructose chain. 2 modest servings a day isn't gonna harm anything though, especially when talking about apples. Those are generally the safest option.
    Is this as much of an issue if my only fruit intake is immediately post workout? Love my banana in my shake...
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift

    Is this as much of an issue if my only fruit intake is immediately post workout? Love my banana in my shake...
    Real ripe bananas' ratio is more favorable(glucose vs fructose). One of the fruits I still eat.

  23. Bad part about that for me is nothing works,i get no energy from anything I eat(clean or unclean)fruit,milk,nuts,coconu t oil/meat nothing.
    It seems like this beat body I got is saving every cal and shutting me down.Coffee doesn't even help and I don't drink a lot of it either.

  24. It's all about training your body to burn the right fuel at the right time... Paleo, CKD, etc etc can help get you there, but there is no need to strictly adhere to them. Mike T. Nelson's Metabolic Flexibility is where it's at. I cut 2.5% bf and gained over 5 lbs of muscle in a month using one of the programs from Geoff Neupert's "More Kettlebell Muscle" (kb complexes, this particular program was 9 weeks) combined with stuff I learned from Mike T. Nelson ... Variability in diet was a big factor, for a month I ate 5-6 meals a day, next month only dinner (Warrior diet), this month is Leangains. Definitely didn't avoid junk food, definitely cut calories during the week(between 1200-3200 weekly deficit, RMR values determined by gas exchange test), cycled carbs(only had starches after my most intense training sessions), and actually reduced fat intake to under 80 grams 5-6 days a week. Eating "clean" all the time is overrated. Solid programming, keeping a food journal to keep you honest, and actively reducing emotional stress finally got me under 15% bf.. The only cardio I did was one or 2 Spin classes a week.FWIW, YMMV.... I have before and after pictures if anyone is interested. The only muscle building supplements I used were creatine, beta alanine, and milk protein concentrate. I also use GABA, melatonin, 5-HTP, powdered cal-mag, and sometimes ashwagandha to help improve quality of sleep.

    "Paleo" is kinda silly, and not practical in the world we live in. Plus Big Macs are kinda really delicious. So are Frosted Mini Wheats and pancakes. In the end you have to figure out what works for you because nothing is one size fits all, just don't cave to fads...

  25. Quote Originally Posted by 67nova View Post
    Bad part about that for me is nothing works,i get no energy from anything I eat(clean or unclean)fruit,milk,nuts,coconu t oil/meat nothing.
    It seems like this beat body I got is saving every cal and shutting me down.Coffee doesn't even help and I don't drink a lot of it either.
    MCT oil. Grab a tablespoon or two of that with some BCAA's mixed with either maltodextrin or water and you'll get some energy (at least for a workout).
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