Only place im not tired is the gym....

[braxbrah]

How do I feel like this?

Wake up after 8 hour sleep( granted it doesnt feel deep or undisturbed)? Tired.
Get into work? Tired.
After breakfast/lunch? Tired.

I feel exhausted all the time, yawning and generally hot with no energy, apart from when im playing sport of exercising.

I am low carbing ( 150g a day max) 200g protein and around 40-50g natural fats. I am 5'11 weighing 245lbs with a bodyfat of 24%. I've been on a long term cut. I lift 3/4 times a week and do cardio between 30-45 minutes a day.

Literally the only place I feel alive is during and after my workouts where I have good energy and a sense of well-being. Why am I tired everywhere else? It makes no sense. I am having vivid nightmares for the most part like i'm in wars and random horrid stuff, cant remember the last time I felt relaxed after a long deep sleep.

I have a feeling people are going to pull me up for a low natural fat intake and also being dependant on stimulants like the EC stack, I am willing to address this but im especially wary of the added calories higher levels of natural fat will bring. 9 cals per 1 gram.

Any ideas?

[pyrobatt]

How do I feel like this?

Wake up after 8 hour sleep( granted it doesnt feel deep or undisturbed)? Tired.
Get into work? Tired.
After breakfast/lunch? Tired.

I feel exhausted all the time, yawning and generally hot with no energy, apart from when im playing sport of exercising.

I am low carbing ( 150g a day max) 200g protein and around 40-50g natural fats. I am 5'11 weighing 245lbs with a bodyfat of 24%. I've been on a long term cut. I lift 3/4 times a week and do cardio between 30-45 minutes a day.

Literally the only place I feel alive is during and after my workouts where I have good energy and a sense of well-being. Why am I tired everywhere else? It makes no sense. I am having vivid nightmares for the most part like i'm in wars and random horrid stuff, cant remember the last time I felt relaxed after a long deep sleep.

I have a feeling people are going to pull me up for a low natural fat intake and also being dependant on stimulants like the EC stack, I am willing to address this but im especially wary of the added calories higher levels of natural fat will bring. 9 cals per 1 gram.

Any ideas?

When your cutting for a long time your body will revolt. Low Carb or adrenal fatigue could be the culprit given the ec mentioned. Your fat intake is fine haha.

[braxbrah]

Adrenal fatigue looks horrifying lol, ive had a look at that before and I really hope its nothing to do with that.

I should add i've just started taking lean extreme which lowers your cortisol levels, this can also effect your sleep positively so at worst I can wait a few weeks and re-asses. But you know that feeling you get in the afternoon of a massive crash? I feel like im on that 70% of the day, then I workout and BOOM fine for the remainder of the evening.

I dont want to come off a cut and eat at maintenance I see that as a lack of progress, im nowhere near where I want to be in terms of bodyfat and a few weeks eating at maintenance sadly will mean for me I stick back on like 14lbs. I had a cheat day at the weekend for a wedding, I ate more than usual then bam 3lbs heavier on monday...it then takes 4-5 days to work that off again. Its just not worth a cheat day.

[pyrobatt]

Adrenal fatigue looks horrifying lol, ive had a look at that before and I really hope its nothing to do with that.

I should add i've just started taking lean extreme which lowers your cortisol levels, this can also effect your sleep positively so at worst I can wait a few weeks and re-asses. But you know that feeling you get in the afternoon of a massive crash? I feel like im on that 70% of the day, then I workout and BOOM fine for the remainder of the evening.

I dont want to come off a cut and eat at maintenance I see that as a lack of progress, im nowhere near where I want to be in terms of bodyfat and a few weeks eating at maintenance sadly will mean for me I stick back on like 14lbs. I had a cheat day at the weekend for a wedding, I ate more than usual then bam 3lbs heavier on monday...it then takes 4-5 days to work that off again. Its just not worth a cheat day.

When you diet for so long your thyroid hormone levels drop and that is what controls metabolism. Staying on a cut will hinder weight loss.

[pyrobatt]

When you diet for so long your thyroid hormone levels drop and that is what controls metabolism. Staying on a cut will hinder weight loss.

The crash thing is also describing is adrenal fatigue caused by ephedrine abuse.Which is bad. Come off of ephedrine and Stimson for 4 to 8 weeks and come off that diet for 4 weeks and you'll feel fine

[braxbrah]

Just got back from the docs, told her my progress and what i've been taking. She asked if im taking any stimulants and nearly had a heart attack when I told her ive been taking 600-700mg of caffeine a day for the last month at least, she thinks thats what's exhausting me so as of now no more stimulants. I will receive a headache for about a week until my body gets used to no caffeine.

I thought id try and get a cheeky free testosterone test as for peace of mind she said i can get a blood test on thyroid, glucose,etc normal adrenal fatigue tests, and said " some of the boys on the forum reckon my test levels could be playing a part in my sleeping pattern, is it worth getting those checked also" she turned around and said " are you using a test booster" lol, she knew right off I was. Told her i'm using bioforge lol.

[Tboz]

Try getting up early and working out when u wake up. Maybe u will feel better throughout the day.

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[pyrobatt]

Just got back from the docs, told her my progress and what i've been taking. She asked if im taking any stimulants and nearly had a heart attack when I told her ive been taking 600-700mg of caffeine a day for the last month at least, she thinks thats what's exhausting me so as of now no more stimulants. I will receive a headache for about a week until my body gets used to no caffeine.

I thought id try and get a cheeky free testosterone test as for peace of mind she said i can get a blood test on thyroid, glucose,etc normal adrenal fatigue tests, and said " some of the boys on the forum reckon my test levels could be playing a part in my sleeping pattern, is it worth getting those checked also" she turned around and said " are you using a test booster" lol, she knew right off I was. Told her i'm using bioforge lol.

It may be your test levels considering you've been on a diet for a long time. More likely the ephedrine reliance.

[zlightning]

I used to feel that way too. Turns out I have sleep apnea. If you sleep with someone you might ask them if they notice if your breathing stops while asleep.

[Jiigzz]

Id increase fats; fats play a role in test production

[saggy321]

Wow....this sounds very similar to what I experienced six months ago. The nightmare or disturbed sleep is high cortisol. My suggestion take a week off from all exercise and stimulants, more if you need to before this progresses into a more severe form of adrenal insufficiency. I didn't and eventually I stopped sleeping (four nights straight without any sleep), developed anxiety and mild depression, started putting on fat, developed tremors and couldn't handle work. It's taken me approximately 6 months to recover, 3 of which I've not done any exercise because I kept returning to the gym too early. I'm now into my third week and feeling good. I would also get a high dose vitamin B complex and 3-5 grams of vitamin C a day. Trust me on this....take action now or you will suffer far more severely over a considerably longer period. I don't mean to alarmist but what you have described almost mirrors my symptoms.

[Jiigzz]

Wow....this sounds very similar to what I experienced six months ago. The nightmare or disturbed sleep is high cortisol. My suggestion take a week off from all exercise and stimulants, more if you need to before this progresses into a more severe form of adrenal insufficiency. I didn't and eventually I stopped sleeping (four nights straight without any sleep), developed anxiety and mild depression, started putting on fat, developed tremors and couldn't handle work. It's taken me approximately 6 months to recover, 3 of which I've not done any exercise because I kept returning to the gym too early. I'm now into my third week and feeling good. I would also get a high dose vitamin B complex and 3-5 grams of vitamin C a day. Trust me on this....take action now or you will suffer far more severely over a considerably longer period. I don't mean to alarmist but what you have described almost mirrors my symptoms.

I don't see how increasing vitamin c or any of the B complex will help; unless you're deficient or not getting enough from your diet in the first place.

[saggy321]

I don't see how increasing vitamin c or any of the B complex will help; unless you're deficient or not getting enough from your diet in the first place.

From the OP symptoms I think his adrenals are struggling due to excessive stimulant use and other factors. Apparently the highest concentration of vitamin c in the body is found in the adrenals and because it is utilised, as are the B vitamins, in the production of the adrenal hormones, including cortisol, it is depleted quickly when the adrenals are overly stimulated due to stress. It together with B vitamins helped me massively.

[Jiigzz]

From the OP symptoms I think his adrenals are struggling due to excessive stimulant use and other factors. Apparently the highest concentration of vitamin c in the body is found in the adrenals and because it is utilised, as are the B vitamins, in the production of the adrenal hormones, including cortisol, it is depleted quickly when the adrenals are overly stimulated due to stress. It together with B vitamins helped me massively.

Ah yeah I see. I usually get between 3-4g of Vitamin C a day. Good post and good advice

[Docmattic]

How much sun/vitamin d do you get? This can play a major role.

Also I have noticed going to bed at 11pm and sleeping until 7 is completly different than going to sleep at 1 am and sleeping until 9am. Its the same amount of sleep-but i find the quality is better the earlier you sleep.

Also you could try not having carbs for breakfast (if you do). Eat egg whites or somthing instead. I find i'm always tired if i eat carbs for breakfast. When I eat eggs its not so bad.

Another thing you could consider is eating a little above maintenance calorie level for 2-3 weeks. This will just let your body recover a little from the cut and let your leptin levels return to normal.

[Jiigzz]

How much sun/vitamin d do you get? This can play a major role.

Also I have noticed going to bed at 11pm and sleeping until 7 is completly different than going to sleep at 1 am and sleeping until 9am. Its the same amount of sleep-but i find the quality is better the earlier you sleep.

Also you could try not having carbs for breakfast (if you do). Eat egg whites or somthing instead. I find i'm always tired if i eat carbs for breakfast. When I eat eggs its not so bad.

Another thing you could consider is eating a little above maintenance calorie level for 2-3 weeks. This will just let your body recover a little from the cut and let your leptin levels return to normal.

This changes depending on the person and their normal sleeping routine. I myself function alot better at night time so I tend to take advantage and stay up till about 12pm most nights and do some reading or whatever. When I wake up at 8am i'm very refreshed and ready for the next day. Just depends on your sleeping routine. It's just what you get used to.

[Docmattic]

This changes depending on the person and their normal sleeping routine. I myself function alot better at night time so I tend to take advantage and stay up till about 12pm most nights and do some reading or whatever. When I wake up at 8am i'm very refreshed and ready for the next day. Just depends on your sleeping routine. It's just what you get used to.

This is true. I normally fall asleep by 12.30am and get up at 8.30 or 9. However when i fall asleap at 10pm some nights (usually friday) i feel better than usual the next day. However due to my busy schedule falling asleep at 10 isn't always possible. you are right though. Its just what works for you.

[saggy321]

This is true. I normally fall asleep by 12.30am and get up at 8.30 or 9. However when i fall asleap at 10pm some nights (usually friday) i feel better than usual the next day. However due to my busy schedule falling asleep at 10 isn't always possible. you are right though. Its just what works for you.

I ca concur....it seems the quality of sleep depends upon when one sleeps as well as the number of hours.

[Jiigzz]

This is true. I normally fall asleep by 12.30am and get up at 8.30 or 9. However when i fall asleap at 10pm some nights (usually friday) i feel better than usual the next day. However due to my busy schedule falling asleep at 10 isn't always possible. you are right though. Its just what works for you.

I guess it depends on how tired you were beforehand as well. I find, personally, that going to sleep as soon as I start to get tired is better than waiting until im completly exhausted because I tend to just feel like c**p in the morning haha

[xR1pp3Rx]

i think its ALL in your diet monfrair.... you cant low carb and lowfat diet... what are ya crazy!?? your doing it wrong.