Low Testosterone at 19 (Please read)
08-26-2012 12:16 AM
Low Testosterone at 19 (Please read)
Okay, so I ran a cycle of M-Drol at 16 and a few months and had no idea what I was doing (I was told it was a weight gainer and believe me, it was the biggest mistake of my life). I took liver cleaner while on it and didn't even "properly" take the cycle. I believe there was about 45 pills in the bottle and I probably took 40 or so (threw up a few). I started my PCT a few days after (Arimidex) but I stopped after 3-5 days because of the intense breakouts I was experiencing on my body, so I basically never finished my PCT and now I understand how foolish this was... anyways, I always felt really low, no energy, emotional, and after researching I felt I had low testosterone levels. I tried Formadrol on its own and it made me feel really good, I even started taking Zinc every night to boost my levels. I got a blood test about 1-2 weeks after getting off Formadrol, and it was at 483 (what I felt was low at 18). I waited and got a blood test recently and have been clean (no supplements, just whey and casein proteins) and found out my testosterone was 220... I'm only 19... I was prescribed AndrolGel and I do not want to take it because I've heard stories of people in my situation who have tried Clomid or other things to get their bodies to naturally produce testosterone again. I've also heard about HCG and how it can "kick start/restart" the body's production of testosterone (by mimicking LH) and would not be needed long term, as in every 2 weeks for the rest of my life (HRT). Is there anyone who can clear things up for me? I am planning on getting referred to an endocrinologist (or should it be a urologist?) and want some advice beforehand. I never told my doctor I took a prohormone because he never really gives me the chance to talk and I'm so ashamed of myself. Can anyone give me hope for a life of natural test production?
08-26-2012 02:37 PM
Hell of a first post to say the least!
get back on arimidex at .25mg 2x a week. Wait to see if your body recovers. Dont take anymore "supplements" you have no idea what;s in them!
Stop being so impatient it cant get any worse than it is.
If it doesnt get better in 6-8 weeks then go to the doctor again and do a full panel blood work to see where you stand. There is no sure thing you will recover but I would say you r young and the odds are with you just give it a chance.
No androgel at this time just wait
08-26-2012 05:18 PM
I would tell your doc honestly man. He's your doctor and can't fully asses you without knowing every detail. Just my 2 cents
08-26-2012 05:26 PM
Sorry if it's a lot for a first post, I just really wanted to get it all out there and see what to do. Do you think I should just wait to see the endocrinologist? I am definitely going to tell him everything because I feel like if anyone would know what do to it'd be him. Are you sure I should start Arimidex again? Because when I stop taking Arimidex won't my body rebound and go just as low as it was before, if not lower?
08-26-2012 05:47 PM
Honestly there are a lot of smart people on this board but I don't think there's many doctors lol if it was me I would tell my doctor and see what he says. The low test could certainly be from your cycle or you could be born with naturally low test..your doctor can only assume the latter if you haven't told him anything.
08-26-2012 11:46 PM
Ok forget what I said in my other post I missed your time table here
Originally Posted by jamesremmy
Let me get this straight...you did this cycle at 16 and now at 19 your test is low?What did you do for 3 years??
Can you post your history of what you took and when?...when did formadrol came into the picture?
When did you start feeling crappy?
Please post a time table of everything you took because if we are talking about 3 years here then we are talking about a different approach!
I will warn you now there is no sure way to get you back from this. It;s going to be hit or miss hoping and praying!
08-27-2012 02:05 AM
Order some Clomid, dose it at 25mg for 6 weeks, and see how you feel after imo
08-27-2012 04:40 PM
I took it when I was 16 1/4 and around 16 1/2 I started to feel the effects. I broke out all over my body (had to see a dermatologist and take Monodox for close to 5 months) and I saw a little sign of gynocomastia. I didn't really think much about it and didn't even think about my testosterone levels. Then I thought about taking a test booster to get bigger, and after reading all the benefits (basically the "cure" to my symptoms) I decided to take Formadrol around March this year (blood work in April came back as 483, just as I was finished with Formadol - probably about 3 days after finishing I got the blood work done). Then I started working out a lot more seriously (since June) and I have gotten bigger and what not but I feel the same... I never feel aroused or I never share the same "omg I just wanna f*** any girl I see" mentality. I also noticed over the past year my erections slowly became weaker and it took a lot more to even get me interested. Like in my head I am thinking sexually and getting turned on, it just doesn't "transfer" downstairs. So I went back and got a blood test about a week ago and 220 is far below the "normal" range, let alone the 240-800 range posted on my blood work results. I was prescribed AndroGel and after tons of research I saw a lot of people in somewhat similiar conditions who took HCG and had their testosterone levels "rebooted" but more commonly those who took Clomid and had phenomenal results (reboot from 150's back to 650's type of results!). I am trying to get referred to an endocrinologist so I can, firstly, explain everything (come clean about my pro-hormonal use) and secondly, discuss a better option. Clomid is prescribed so I don't really know how to get it, unless it was illegally. In that case how can I be sure it would even be real?
08-27-2012 10:11 PM
Hmm. Beats me.. get it prescribed then! just tell your doctor, hey i ****ed up got peer pressured, they cant judge you
Originally Posted by jamesremmy
08-28-2012 10:37 AM
Ok i get the picture. TO me it looks that you never really recovered from the initial cycle from your description.
Originally Posted by jamesremmy
You can go to a doctor in this case but you will have an uphill battle because many doctors have no idea what to do. Prob if you go to a fertility doctor he/she will give you clomid which what is used for primarely and perhaps HCG and if you lucky arimidex. In any case you have 2 choices;
1. Either find a good doctor
2. Get this stuff yourself and follow a protocol including HCG, HMG(if you really bad), clomid, arimidex, and even androgel.
In any case bloodwork will help to pin point what protocol to use. Your problem can stem from pituitary, high estrogen, your gonads not working among other and/or all 3. Based on blood work and physical exam a good doctor will be able to give you a protocol for your problem.
If you have blood work I could help you as well with what to take and how much if your doc might not be in the loop with dosages and what not.
I think your case is a little more serious than i initialy thought but with a more agressive treatment you might recover. Recovery time might end up taking up to a year but the sooner you jolt your body back in line the better.
From my experience this is how I would approach it.
08-28-2012 11:13 PM
I am going to get referred to an endocrinologist in my area soon (just need to find one with my insurance) and I will let you all know how it goes. I appreciate all the advice given, it means a lot.
09-07-2012 02:21 PM
Jamesremmy, let us know how it goes with the endocrinologist. I've been feeling ****ty since doing a one month prohormone cycle back in may (cynostane and protodrol), been to the doc and my test levels are just on the lower end of the range 10.5 nmol/l which is around 250-300 ng/dl and he wouldnt listen that my test was low and instead prescribed me antidepressants! I have been trying a whole load of natural test boosters and they havent helped! Thinking my only option now is something like clomid but also considering trying reboot by forerunner labs. Interested to know if anyone has tried reboot?
09-18-2012 08:49 AM
I am scheduled to meet with an endocrinologist early October so I just have to wait a little bit. I tried to increase my testosterone naturally by taking around 233% DV of Zinc (I believe it was 50mg, not 100% sure) and it didn't really help. I am going to tell my endo everything and hopefully I can get prescribed Clomid and a SERM so I do not get too much estrogen rebound. I have not heard anything about "reboot" but at this point I would not try to mess around with anything, I would see a new doctor or get a script to an endocrinologist. I will let you and everyone else know what happens in about 3 weeks.
09-19-2012 02:08 PM
Jesus man prohormones at 16?! ouchy. I'm curious to hear what happens keep us updated
10-05-2012 08:17 PM
Hey everyone, thought I'd keep everyone updated with what's going on. I saw an endocrinologist today and basically just came clean and told her absolutely everything. She's going to do research on the contents of M-drol and specifically what hormones it contains that were introduced into my body so we can find out exactly what to do to reverse it. She believes either my body completely stopped testosterone production, or that my hormones are being suppressed. She believes the latter because we went over the blood work and my LH levels are very, very low. We also discussed possible options, and Clomid + Arimidex seem like very real and reasonable approaches. I am most likely going to get one more full blood panel done, but my next appointment is in three weeks. I will keep everyone updated once I go back, but until then I will just keep on keeping on. Best regards to everyone, fingers crossed.
11-14-2012 04:05 PM
Hello everyone, here to update this thread with all the recent information, and it's a lottt! So after seeing the endocrinologist I had another appointment about 3-4 weeks later. I saw her again, we ran through all the options and decided I'd need another full blood panel done, but this one had some more specific hormones listed. She also checked my testicles and they are the right size for my age (no atrophy whatsoever). Then I got my blood work done and just spoke to her yesterday. My total testosterone came back at 526!!! I haven't seen the physical copy with the specifics of all the hormones listed, but she is mailing it to me (I will post the exact numbers, including free test, LH, etc.). It turns out I have mild beta thalassemia so that has a slight impact on my testosterone (red blood cells have a much shorter life). I've also noticed an increasing in sexual desire and strength of erections. Even had morning wood the other day! Now I know 526 at 19 isn't ideal, but it's better than 483 when I was on a testosterone booster and 220 only a few months later. My endocrinologist said it usually takes about 7+ months for the hypothalamus-pituitary axis to "restart" on its own and I'm right around there (took Formadrol in April so it's been about 7 months). At this point I just need to continue with heavy lifting and compound exercises (I have incorporated squats and deadlifts into my routine). I will post the specifics when I get them but man am I glad I didn't jump into anything serious like TRT or Clomid + Arimidex!
11-14-2012 04:28 PM
You're back in the driver's seat dude.....but now be careful...eat and train intelligently from here on in....at your age you've got many years of natural gains that'll keep you away from hormones all together if you play your cards right.......good luck!
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11-14-2012 05:07 PM
I went through an issue similar (though more damaging and drastic) to you about 8 years ago. I'd be happy to discuss details including negative effects, recovery, etc. in pm/email.
To anyone else reading this, it should be lesson to A. know what you are putting in your body and know what it can do; and, B. don't use hormones - especially when you are still developing physiologically and psychologically.
11-15-2012 09:07 PM
glad to hear all is going well man! Good thing our bodies tend to have their own "Restart" method after we do something to **** them up!
07-20-2013 01:08 PM
Back again with some more news. So I stopped taking a pre workout, started taking some amino acids intraworkout an lifting a bit heavier throughout the spring. I took a month off of working out because I'm in school for the summer an have a lot of classes. That being said I got a blood test done in late May and my testosterone came back around the low 400's. THEN I took the month off and got a blood test in July (the 3rd I believe) and my results came back at 645... I'm beyond confused. How or why does my testosterone fluctuate THAT much?... I still have low libido, have difficult getting an erection and even more difficulty maintaining an erection. My prolactin was a bit high in February or March if that helps. Does anyone have any advice? I was considering possibly running Clomid + Arimidex but I'm not sure. Can anyone explain how estrogen plays a part in this?
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