Low Testosterone at 19 (Please read)
- 07-23-2013, 08:27 AM
2. Actually, there is a fair amount of case studies on pubmed that describe the effects of prohormone and steroid use on the HPTA and other physiological processes in the body. It may be under studied, but it has been studied.
3. You do not "shock" the body. The body reacts to internal/external stimuli in a fairly predictable manner. Just because you have used steroids does not place you outside the rules of human physiology. As I described above, different PCT drugs could help, but they could also make things worse. Its important to know exactly what is occurring before deciding on which to take. As an analogy, imagine bringing your car to the mechanic and saying "its not running right" and then he says without even looking at it "That's because it needs a new engine". Pretty much the same advice you are giving here.
4. Exactly, he needs to narrow it down in order to treat the specific cause.
5. Or, it could cause further suppression.
6. I have no interest in teaching you anything, and the only reason I am responding to your nonsense posts is for the sake of the original poster and others who may be reading this thread for information.
- 07-23-2013, 11:30 AM
1. There is no cure for a malfunctioning pituitary. All you can do is to alter the signals going in and hope it resets itself.
2. Doctors even endos do not have the magic wan to fix your problems. Sometimes they dont even deal with someone who have testosterone "within range"
3. When you take Phs and androgens in general you are shocking the body from what it's used to do perhaps damaging some of the basic pituitary functions.
07-23-2013, 11:58 AM
I am also a book worm, I have a PhD in exercise physiology, and although my specialization is not endocrinology, I have studied the HPTA enough to be able to know when someone should see a specialist.
There are plenty of specialists out there who have worked with athletes and individuals who have used AAS. Dr. Michael Werner out of NYC is one. I'm sure there are more.
Please stop it with this nonsense about shocking the body. With that same train of thought, you might say that using testosterone to bring levels back up to the normal range will "trick" the body into thinking that's where it should maintain test levels. We both know that is asinine. The body does not get shocked, it does not act confused. Its stimuli, reaction, and adaptation. Once you understand how it reacts to stimuli and adapts to stimuli, you will have a better understand of how exogenous hormones effect internal physiology via the negative feedback loop.
07-23-2013, 08:16 PM
07-23-2013, 08:33 PM
07-23-2013, 09:56 PM
head into the anabolics section and look for xams thread (its like 25+ pages in length on the computer) which has been going on for over a year. He is shutdown and has run multiple PCT's hoping it will help restore his body. It has not. He has low T but yet PCT's are not working. This is EXACTLY what ZiR is explaining here; a PCT is not a 'problem solver' and many people will end up on TRT regardless of how successful a PCT was as sometimes there body just never recovers to pre-cycle levels. That is the nature of the game you play when you deal with androgens.
Also, the phrase PCT means nothing in this sense; PCT's wildly vary depending on compounds and duration of compound use. E.g. a PCT for a 1-DHEA product will differ from a superdrol (M-DROL) cycle.
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07-23-2013, 10:41 PM
just a side note, not everybody understands how to run a proper PCT. One can run a plethora of PCTs and do them all wrong. And as you mentioned, most PCT ppl run are ineffective because they just dont know how to run the compounds and very important what compounds to run and the timing of it all. But that's another taking point all together for another time.
I really dont want to clog up this thread for this guy and with this I will keep it to the original subject.
07-23-2013, 10:53 PM
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11-13-2013, 02:20 AM
Wow, I feel like a complete idiot... I didn't even see this second page..... That being said I have no taken a PCT because I wanted to give my body more time off any sort of supplements (including stimulants like pre workouts). I have a script for a blood test to check my testosterone and estrogen levels only. I have a very stingy endocrinologist who insists I'm fine and doesn't really want to work out the problem. In fact, I'm fairly certain I have slight gynecomastia and she refuses to take action. Does anyone know what type of imaging I would need to confirm or disprove my suspicions? Possibly an MRI on my chest? My diet is not that great, especially since I'm a full time student and biochemist (very time consuming schedule). I am probably getting bloodwork done sometime soon. As for the thalassemia believe it or not I was told to take prenatal vitamins because they are high in B vitamins and folic acid. I have worked out maybe 4 or 5 times these past three months because I've been so busy. Lastly, I wanted to thank everyone on this thread for the help, it means a lot. Especially ZiR, excellent backing to your statements, and you too Jiigzz!
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