Thinking of cutting back on carbs to lower fat.

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh View Post
    oh the good old days. That was a long time ago i feel old now



  2. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    alot of people have success on keto, get most carbs from veggies and such...carbs are not essential imo
    They are not essential as in you will not die instantly if you choose not to consume them. But no culture has ever lived off a meat only diet and i dare anyone to challenge me on that statement. Try and find out what triggers your cravings i.e. boredom, watching tv, having a good supply of crap in the cupboard i think your find its more a psychological response than simply certain food adds 10kg to your frame looking at it response.

    Hope you dont misunderstand my post and take it as intended.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Bish83 View Post
    But no culture has ever lived off a meat only diet and i dare anyone to challenge me on that statement.
    http://www.unm.edu/~hkaplan/KaplanHi...HEvolution.pdf

    Several tribes of people have survived on primarily meat diets with very minimal intake of carbs, and even then the carb sources they consumed were primarily plant life (veggies) with the occasional tuber and/or fruit

    I believe Cordain may also have published a paper on the macronutrient ratios of african tribes. I can try and dig that up for you if you like. And then there is Weston Prices research on the inuit people who also primarily eat meat and fish with very little carb intake (kelp and berries in the summer) which is due mostly to their environment.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Several tribes of people have survived on primarily meat diets with very minimal intake of carbs, and even then the carb sources they consumed were primarily plant life (veggies) with the occasional tuber and/or fruit

    I believe Cordain may also have published a paper on the macronutrient ratios of african tribes. I can try and dig that up for you if you like. And then there is Weston Prices research on the inuit people who also primarily eat meat and fish with very little carb intake (kelp and berries in the summer) which is due mostly to their environment.
    Still not the same diet as what the current posters are suggesting.

    The inuit people consumed their meat raw to putrefying not including the last meal of the day which was boiled just enough to still be pink inside. There was a guy that actually studied the inuits more in depth than Mr. Price and lived amongst them for several years its also noted seal meat contained a lot more vitamin c (more so raw) than any land animal.

    I can't remember the specific African tribe but if its the one that only lived on cattle milk and blood they didn't live too long.

    Both scenarios the meat wasn't cooked. Why is this an important factor?

    Because although the inuits ate a meat predominant diet they never actually was in ketosis. Believe this or not but carbs help some where along the kreb cycle promote fat loss where as ketosis just encourages it to burn dietary fat instead.


    I really wish i bm'd the studies i found about this, i remember reading about the fact ketosis raised free test but on the whole lowered total test and carbs actually increasing total testosterone.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Bish83 View Post
    Still not the same diet as what the current posters are suggesting.
    zone and paleo were both suggested to the OP

    Quote Originally Posted by Bish83 View Post
    There was a guy that actually studied the inuits more in depth than Mr. Price and lived amongst them for several years its also noted seal meat contained a lot more vitamin c (more so raw) than any land animal.
    Vilhfalmur Stefansson?

    He also studied the inuit people (before Price did I believe). His book, "My life with the eskimos" can be found here - http://www.archive.org/stream/mylifewitheskim00andegoog#page/n6/mode/2up

    He lived with the inuits for 11 years and his findings were pretty similar to Price... "For up to 6-9 months of the year, they ate nothing but meat and fish...got the necessary nutrients in the winter without much (or any) vegetable matter by eating the organs and oils"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bish83 View Post
    Both scenarios the meat wasn't cooked. Why is this an important factor?

    Because although the inuits ate a meat predominant diet they never actually was in ketosis. Believe this or not but carbs help some where along the kreb cycle promote fat loss where as ketosis just encourages it to burn dietary fat instead.
    i responded to the statement "no culture has ever lived off a meat only diet" not "no culture has ever lived off a keto diet"

    Also, mind explaining how eating raw fish would prevent an adaptation to ketosis from occurring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bish83 View Post
    I really wish i bm'd the studies i found about this, i remember reading about the fact ketosis raised free test but on the whole lowered total test and carbs actually increasing total testosterone.
    If you find these please share as I would be very interested in seeing them although I have a feeling I know the one you are talking about.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    zone and paleo were both suggested to the OP

    i responded to the statement "no culture has ever lived off a meat only diet" not "no culture has ever lived off a keto diet"

    Also, mind explaining how eating raw fish would prevent an adaptation to ketosis from occurring?



    If you find these please share as I would be very interested in seeing them although I have a feeling I know the one you are talking about.
    Forgive me and i shall rephrase, no culture (in the last 10'000 years at least) lived off a meat only diet that wasn't raw and uncooked.

    I am pretty sure it was Vilhfalmur Stefansson who found out that the inuits even though on a diet of mainly fish didn't go through ketosis and i think it was probably because they ate their food predominantly raw.

    When i have more time i will find the study but since you may know the one im talking of im interested in your opinion (could link it for me too pls since i can't link anything anyways)

    hvactech mentioned keto...

  7. http://www.simplyshredded.com/

    Numerous articles of cutting, bulking, carb cycling, etc in the nutrition area. Much better then BB.com IMO
    I read articles from this site everyday!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by thestein1016
    http://www.simplyshredded.com/

    Numerous articles of cutting, bulking, carb cycling, etc in the nutrition area. Much better then BB.com IMO
    I read articles from this site everyday!
    Nice .. hadn't seen that one yet .. thanx

  9. Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    I also have sleep apnea, which is another reason I want to loose fat %.
    Just wanted to chime in about this. Have you ever had an upper GI (endoscopy)done? Do you have any GERD (Gastric reflux)?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Bish83 View Post
    They are not essential as in you will not die instantly if you choose not to consume them. But no culture has ever lived off a meat only diet and i dare anyone to challenge me on that statement. Try and find out what triggers your cravings i.e. boredom, watching tv, having a good supply of crap in the cupboard i think your find its more a psychological response than simply certain food adds 10kg to your frame looking at it response.

    Hope you dont misunderstand my post and take it as intended.
    most people do not run a keto diet for the duration of their life either so the comparison is pointless, the op was merely asking about cutting out/down carbs for fat loss
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  11. I wouldn't cut on carbs completely. You need it to fuel your muscle and brain.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jared767 View Post
    I wouldn't cut on carbs completely. You need it to fuel your muscle and brain.
    protein and fats do not serve as fuel? i agree to keep sanity in check carbs are needed
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  13. Cut all simple searches and sugar completely. No pasta or bread. Get ur carbs from assorted fruits and veg. Stay away from realty sweet fruits like strawberries and watermelon. Eat high protein. Mostly chicken, FISH and lean beef. U will lose bodyfat quick

  14. Quote Originally Posted by murk01 View Post
    Cut all simple searches and sugar completely. No pasta or bread. Get ur carbs from assorted fruits and veg. Stay away from realty sweet fruits like strawberries and watermelon. Eat high protein. Mostly chicken, FISH and lean beef. U will lose bodyfat quick
    a banana has more sugar than strawberries
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  15. Tehran. I believe it. I was just using examples. I don't really think fruits in general are a real concern. Its more the other artificial BS in pole diets.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by grappler22 View Post
    Just wanted to chime in about this. Have you ever had an upper GI (endoscopy)done? Do you have any GERD (Gastric reflux)?
    No and yes I have acid reflux.

  17. I'd like to take this a step further to help you, OP. Could you give us an idea of what you eat on a daily basis?

    For the record, I advocate the use of a Keto protocol, in your case, you may benefit from setting yourself at a limit of 30-50g of carbs for a few days to see how you respond. When abiding to this limit, don't count carbs from from cruciferous and leafy green vegetables. It will drive you mad with the tedium, and their effects on GI are virtually nil.

    If you attempt this, be sure to keep your protein @ .8-1.2g/lb, and don't fear the healthy fats, they will only keep you feeling satiated and allow for more overall fat loss.

  18. Yeah I was thinking of doing something like 100-150 grams of carbs during the week and during the weekend eat as much junk as I want 0_0. Really I never have counted calories before I just ate when I was hunger. I have counted protein though. With my sleep pattern being so out of wack though, it's much easier to eat 2-3 big meals as opposed to 6 medium size meals.

  19. bump any thoughts on that ^
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