if you are still eating grains, read this

[AntonG42O]

T NATION | The Truth About Gluten

and if you think that you are a lucky person that can tolerate gluten, give it 10-20 years and that inflammation will build up. this is why we eliminate grains from our diet. paleo is not a diet, its a way to eat to reduce inflammation.

[StackedCop]

I've been meaning ask you about this. I'll make sure I read this in a bit, thanks.

[AntonG42O]

yeaaaa buddy

[laserbluess]

hmm, i still like bread and beer too much to give it up lol. very interesting article though, i didnt know that many people were intolerant / allergic to gluten. makes you wonder how many people don't even know they have a gluten intolerance.

[MakaveliThaDon]

I think everyone to a certain extent is gluten intolerant. Some obviously more than others, some have full blown celliac disease, others not so much. But I believe everyone is intolerant a little, simply because there is no getting around it the fact is that GLUTEN IS INFLAMMATORY.

[EasyEJL]

So even in that opinion article, it doesn't hazard a guess as to what % of people have a gluten allergy, much less show any actual studies with numbers. Why do you think it actually affects any significant % of people?

[AntonG42O]

So even in that opinion article, it doesn't hazard a guess as to what % of people have a gluten allergy, much less show any actual studies with numbers. Why do you think it actually affects any significant % of people?

oh god dont start another "show me the clinical study!" discussion

[AntonG42O]

because its POISON! it causes inflammation! why do you think it causes problems?

[AntonG42O]

honestly dude i dont want to argue with you again. eat your bread and gluten and whatever you want. obviously there is no financial gain in banishing gluten/grains so there arent many studies being funded that would prove to you that this food is crap. stick to your guns and good luck.

[EasyEJL]

No, its just amazing that you'd call something poison that humans have been eating for 10,000 years with no evidence but that you and a small number of other people feel better not eating it. Sure some peoples have allergic reactions to it to varying degrees, that doesn't make it poison, and it certainly doesn't mean any majority of people have negative reactions or allergies to it.

And so long as you eat plenty of antiinflammatory foods getting some amount of proinflammatory in isn't terrible either. Heck if you are trying to entirely avoid inflammatory response why would you exercise even?

[StackedCop]

I for one am thankful you posted this. I notice I bloat and in general feel like crap when gluten.

[ZiR RED]

paleo is not a diet, its a way to eat to reduce inflammation.

Our paleolithic ancestors did indeed eat grains though. They collected wild barley, oats, wheats, etc. Especially those who hunted the larger animals of the ice age...there were abundant grains growing on the steppes since the harsh winds/weather and permafrost did not permit tree growth.

I can see the argument to reduce consumption of ADDED gluten, since it is in just about every processed food imaginable; however, to go so far as to claim the causality in the entire population that some of the paleo proponents (and I think paleo is a poor title choice) has yet to be scientifically founded.

Br

[AntonG42O]

No, its just amazing that you'd call something poison that humans have been eating for 10,000 years with no evidence but that you and a small number of other people feel better not eating it. Sure some peoples have allergic reactions to it to varying degrees, that doesn't make it poison, and it certainly doesn't mean any majority of people have negative reactions or allergies to it.

And so long as you eat plenty of antiinflammatory foods getting some amount of proinflammatory in isn't terrible either. Heck if you are trying to entirely avoid inflammatory response why would you exercise even?

well, i am very happy that you've been able to achieve the physique and a state of well being that you desired without having to give up the grains.

[AntonG42O]

Our paleolithic ancestors did indeed eat grains though. They collected wild barley, oats, wheats, etc. Especially those who hunted the larger animals of the ice age...there were abundant grains growing on the steppes since the harsh winds/weather and permafrost did not permit tree growth.

I can see the argument to reduce consumption of ADDED gluten, since it is in just about every processed food imaginable; however, to go so far as to claim the causality in the entire population that some of the paleo proponents (and I think paleo is a poor title choice) has yet to be scientifically founded.

Br

history aside, do you consume gluten rich products every day with no restriction? how do you feel?

[Orangatang]

No, its just amazing that you'd call something poison that humans have been eating for 10,000 years with no evidence but that you and a small number of other people feel better not eating it. Sure some peoples have allergic reactions to it to varying degrees, that doesn't make it poison, and it certainly doesn't mean any majority of people have negative reactions or allergies to it.

And so long as you eat plenty of antiinflammatory foods getting some amount of proinflammatory in isn't terrible either. Heck if you are trying to entirely avoid inflammatory response why would you exercise even?

I will try to find and cite this specifically later, but I believe from an anthropological stand point, the inflammation and symptoms associated were significantly less in our ancestors.

[ZiR RED]

history aside, do you consume gluten rich products every day with no restriction? how do you feel?

I don't restrict gluten, but I also do not go out of my way to eat foods with added gluten.

I eat a variety of whole grains: wheat, rice, oats, quinoa, etc.

And, I feel fine and perform well. But, that's not a very good argument in either direction. N=1 means very little.

I think we need to place emphasis on balancing potentially inflammatory foods with foods that hold anti-inflammatory properties.

For example, peanuts are inflammatory. Jalepeno peppers are quite anti inflammatory.

And the problem with a lot of the gluten research, is that it is conducted in people who are already at high risk for systemic inflammation: the sedentary.

So, I think a lot more research needs to be done before we go demonizing a nutrient (when consumed as part of a whole food, not additive) in the general population.

Br

[EasyEJL]

And just to be clear, I do agree that dropping gluten can benefit a decent amount of people most likely people who have the tendency to be a "hardgainer" as malabsorption of nutrients can definitely lead to hard gaining. Theres definitely no harm in dropping gluten, heck if you can substitute in quinoa + quinoa flour for all the other grains you eat you end up way ahead of the game with the ecdysterone content of quinoa.

I just don't see that dropping gluten will make a noticeable impact on the majority of people. Could it be useful for 20-30% of people? Possibly so I can definitely see where its worth trying a decent time span gluten free, but if you don't have enough of a difference in that time to notice it, returning to using grains with gluten shouldn't hurt either. For most non-bodybuilding people clipping sugar intake and vegetable fats would have more benefit than dropping grains.

[AntonG42O]

I don't restrict gluten, but I also do not go out of my way to eat foods with added gluten.

I eat a variety of whole grains: wheat, rice, oats, quinoa, etc.

And, I feel fine and perform well. But, that's not a very good argument in either direction. N=1 means very little.

I think we need to place emphasis on balancing potentially inflammatory foods with foods that hold anti-inflammatory properties.

For example, peanuts are inflammatory. Jalepeno peppers are quite anti inflammatory.

And the problem with a lot of the gluten research, is that it is conducted in people who are already at high risk for systemic inflammation: the sedentary.

So, I think a lot more research needs to be done before we go demonizing a nutrient (when consumed as part of a whole food, not additive) in the general population.

Br

so if there is merit in balancing inflammatory foods with anti-inflammatory foods, does it make sense to drop inflammatory foods all together? arent we shooting for optimal health here?

[laserbluess]

it is poison. tasty tasty poison.

[Dath]

T NATION | The Truth About Gluten

and if you think that you are a lucky person that can tolerate gluten, give it 10-20 years and that inflammation will build up. this is why we eliminate grains from our diet. paleo is not a diet, its a way to eat to reduce inflammation.

AntonG420, if you don't mind would you post your daily diet. I'm trying to go Paleo and I'm curious what you eat throughout the day. Thanks!