Protein powder vs Meat
- 11-24-2008, 10:05 AM
- 11-24-2008, 10:46 AM
Use isolate post workout if you can, other than that most will advise you to stick to solid foods as much as possible.
If you're getting a majority of your protein from powder I'd say you're being inefficient in more than one way. Is it the end of world if you do so? No, but it's expensive and unnecessary.
- 11-24-2008, 12:10 PM
11-24-2008, 01:20 PM
11-24-2008, 03:14 PM
11-24-2008, 03:36 PM
Thanks for the input guys. With my job its hard to get in all food but I will try harder. Besides powder being expensive, is there any benifit to meat... Like slower digesting? Im just curious.
11-24-2008, 03:57 PM
Benefits of meat are as follows:
1) Slower digesting
2) Full of healthy fats (depending on what meat we're talking about)
3) Contains plenty of essential minerals
4) A wide variety of proteins in meat, poultry, and fish. Where as, if you just take whey, you are only getting one form of protein.
5) Not all protein is created equal. Whey is fast absorbing, best used upon waking or post workout.
I'm sure there are more but I'm too lazy to do a search. If you can take protein powder to your work, you can cook and take meat, poultry, and/or fish to your work.
11-24-2008, 04:43 PM
11-24-2008, 05:11 PM
11-24-2008, 05:31 PM
Definitely get as much protein from whole foods as possible, all the below are complete sources of protein, and everyting listed underneath is not something whey is high in, or has any at all.
red meat contains:
cholesterol (in moderation is helpful for testosterone levels)
creatine (not much)
CLA, conjugated linoleic acid (only the top notch fed beef have an appreciable amount of this)
fattier fish (salmon)
i dont think chicken has nething spectacular besides a complete source of protein
omega 3s, omega 6s
-high protein density meaning you can get say 24 grams of protein in practically no volume (great if you can't stomach too much food)
-whey protein concentrate can be very high in calcium, which none of the meats above are very high in. However, whey protein isolate is going to be nearly devoid of calcium.. Isolate is faster digesting, and good for lactose intolerant people, but in the greater scheme of things if you can digest concentrate, get that, it's cheaper.
11-24-2008, 06:45 PM
11-24-2008, 07:01 PM
On a cut right now, 50% from meat(tuna, chicken and beef) and 50% from WPI............not a big deal.
11-25-2008, 07:18 PM
whey may have more Melamine than meat. Depending on the source of your milk or meat. But all things being equal, I am guessing that a cow fed on Melamine-enriched feed would still have less melamine than a milk that has melamine added to it to bump up its nitrogen content.
11-25-2008, 07:21 PM
11-25-2008, 09:40 PM
Can't the acidity be offset by drinking lime juice and sodium bicarbonate?
11-25-2008, 10:17 PM
11-25-2008, 10:23 PM
12-04-2008, 05:23 AM
Protein powder = supplement.
Simple formula in 3 words. keyword is 'supplement'.
it should fill in the gaps to help you achieve your daily intake requirements without needing to eat crap loads of food... (depending how u look at it).
whey is great pre/post workout cause it absorbs so fast which is needed especially after heavy lifting sessiosn to help muscle recovery
12-04-2008, 06:51 AM
Whey protein Isolate is very healthy.
Rare meat is still the best hands down, but for cost efficiency WPI can be used to meet no more than 50% of your protein needs.
My order was 400 servings of 25g WPI at the door price $155, which makes my serving $0.38 per 25g of protein, with a tbsp of butter, that's
-4 more grams of protein
-6 less grams of fat
-40 less calories
So with the butter, it'll come out to $.50 (32 servings @ 0.9/serving $3 total) vs the patty (21g protein, 17 fat) which is for $0.81X12 $9.76 total)
In those 400 servings, I save $120.
Since I double up the shake, that's $120 in 200 days, the more you eat, the more you save, not a lot of money (only $0.60) per day, but a long with other reductions you can save up to $100/month.
50/50 is the whey to go for max benefit in cost/nutrition.
06-04-2013, 02:50 PM
Guys, there have been a LOT of vague answers here based simply on what you do as opposed to the factual science of it. Got it, meat has more nutrients, oils, etc. But my question is, can anyone link me to any "scientific data" that shows eating meat increases muscle growth more/faster than the equivalent amount of protein taken via WPI. I don't want to hear any anecdotal data about what you do and how it helps, Im just curious if there's a link to a scientific study that compares the two - that is all that matters.
06-04-2013, 07:27 PM
06-05-2013, 09:31 AM
06-05-2013, 09:34 AM
06-05-2013, 01:58 PM
Yes, there are 7 billion people in the world. Many signing up for stranger more invasive studies with less important results - so, no it's not far fetched by any means. It's a very simple study. Feed 50 people pure protein shakes for a month. And feed the other 50 only sources of food protein (no vegetables, carbs or any other food that would interfere with the results) just meats/eggs, etc. Take accurate muscle mass measurements before during and after, place them on identical workout regimens using body weight percentage to account for how much weight they use. See who gains more. And there's your study.
06-05-2013, 02:06 PM
06-05-2013, 02:11 PM
Hit me up with any questions any time.
06-05-2013, 02:14 PM
06-05-2013, 02:19 PM
06-05-2013, 02:19 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-05-2013, 02:24 PM
The study is not about only consuming whey or only consuming meat, obviously in the real world people can eat salads, carbs, etc. but as their main protein source, can choose to only eat WPI. that's what this whole topic is about, meat vs. WPI - obviously you need other nutrients to live, this is just comparing the muscle growth benefits between only the WPI and meat. So in order to do that, you need a clean test. People verrrry frequently run all sorts of crazy metabolic, anabolic studies that are far more complex than this. Now, I don't have the answer regarding WPI and food protein regarding which is better for protein synthesis, but I haven't read anything on here that shows anyone else does definitively either. It's all anecdotal evidence, which in the scientific world, amounts to nothing. Also, not to say the participants in the study could be given a daily vitamin to make sure they're receiving some of what they need.
06-05-2013, 02:27 PM
First of all, no eggs in protein shakes, Im talking about pure whey isolate only. And n, for a month, there would be no vegetables. Atkins doesn't encourage vegetables, you can have a tinnnnny amount of green lettuce before you breach your 20 carbs a day rule. But many people skip veggies all together, and you would have to for this.
06-05-2013, 02:28 PM
Re: fiber - maybe each participant would be allowed some beneful (fiber mix drink) - youd obviously have to work out the fine details, but on the macro, there's no problem with this study for a month.
06-05-2013, 02:31 PM
Your idea is far from practical and you have to realize that what you want is impossible to design in a study. There are a myriad of variables that you'd have to account for and the adherence rate would be so low that it would negate the results. Nobody is encouraging only using WPI as their sole protein source as that makes no sense. A huge part of the reason for protein shakes is practicality in that it is difficult for most to consume the protein they need from just whole foods.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-05-2013, 02:32 PM
06-05-2013, 02:40 PM
06-05-2013, 02:41 PM
06-05-2013, 02:43 PM
06-05-2013, 02:54 PM
06-05-2013, 02:56 PM
06-05-2013, 03:00 PM
If your still arguing your point I’m going to take you for a troll who just wants to argue for the sake of arguing
Hit me up with any questions any time.
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