Protein powder vs Meat
- 06-05-2013, 04:54 PM
- 06-05-2013, 05:33 PM
Also, meat contains a vast amount of fats and proteins; not mere protein alone. Therefore comparing protein shakes with meat would have to be balanced by adding something like EVOO into the mix to account for the saturated fats in meat.
This is not even accounting for the amino acid profile of have WPI continually as your only protein source. You need a diverse range of aminos...
If you have one group consuming more calories than the other (which will happen when ONLY comparing protein content of meat and WPI without accounting for total caloric intake) then the study is flawed. More calories = more potential for growth..
- 06-05-2013, 05:35 PM
06-05-2013, 05:36 PM
06-05-2013, 07:10 PM
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06-05-2013, 07:21 PM
Eating in excess to gain muscle (think: Bodybuilder) is a given; as you appear to opposing it or doubting it, you find a study that shows that eating in excess is not needed (which it is) to gain muscle mass (not merely developing muscle, but accumulating a large volume of muscle.
You're the one challenging the 'status quo' here, you provide a study that contradicts that status quo .
06-05-2013, 07:23 PM
Read a text book about basic physiology then come back and see if that changes your mind.
While you're at it, find me a study that validates that an Orange is indeed Orange and not blue.
06-05-2013, 07:26 PM
06-05-2013, 07:50 PM
06-05-2013, 07:55 PM
Guy, it's very simple - there's a study proving it, or there's not. And by all this back and forth, it's quickly becoming apparent that there is not a study. (that we know of) Therefore - no one knows the answer to this question. Regardless of how vehement they are.
06-05-2013, 08:02 PM
I'm not going to do research for you. If you are merely going to try undermine everything everyone has said, then we are not going to go out of our way for you.
I guess you'll never know which is better.
06-05-2013, 08:09 PM
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06-05-2013, 08:54 PM
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06-05-2013, 11:04 PM
06-05-2013, 11:55 PM
06-06-2013, 12:14 AM
Now; protein is not the sole determinant factor of muscle growth, you know this I assume? Had the statement read, "can anyone link me to any "scientific data" that shows eating meat increases muscle growth more/faster than the equivalent calorie amount taken via WPI" then thats a whole other point.But my question is, can anyone link me to any "scientific data" that shows eating meat increases muscle growth more/faster than the equivalent amount of protein taken via WPI.
Then you went on about how atkins doesn't promote the use of vegetables and then further onto the point that, for some reason, you seem to assume that a calorie excess is not needed for muscle growth
06-06-2013, 12:19 AM
-Eating in excess is not needed for muscle growth
-Studies that compare different calorie intakes should be used to compare meat and whey and total muscle growth (read my post above)
-Protein is the sole determinant of muscle mass gain and not overall calorie intake
-We are meatheads and juicers
Oh and i'm waiting for a scientific study that Oranges are indeed orange and not blue.
06-06-2013, 01:00 AM
06-06-2013, 01:27 AM
06-06-2013, 02:27 AM
Your target demo of me is completely wrong, sorry you like thinking about about skinny young boys as your default - might want to look into that. In response to your opening statement, that's what this whole conversation has been about - there are no studies comparing the two. So, what do we take away from this? Rage and muscle is worthless and has no value on the Internet, so you trying to play that card is laughable. Two, write intelligently, don't embarrass yourself.
06-06-2013, 03:08 AM
FWIW, I do think it is a good thing you are challenging people by asking where they obtained that information, but some of the things you posted earlier do not make sense from a research point of view. I get where you are coming from now but that wasn't so clear earlier, it was made to seem as though simply getting enough protein was more important than calories however I don't think this point was your intention.
I will say that, although I doubt this is how you approach things, that it is important to mix up protein sources. Yes, animal derived proteins are complete in that they contain all aminos but they contain varying amounts with products being more dominant in certain aminos and others being more dominant in others.
06-06-2013, 03:04 PM
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