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10-10-2007, 10:40 AM
this should be taken for a least 6 weeks right? didnt this stuff take forever to finally start working in the body?
10-10-2007, 10:42 AM
10-10-2007, 02:53 PM
10-11-2007, 02:48 AM
10-12 weeks is what I would recommend as well. Has anyone noticed a chemical aftertaste when drinking extremely cold beverages? I capped the product and now the aftertaste is gone so I'm attributing it to 14AD. On the plus side 5 weeks in and up 10lbs.
10-11-2007, 04:58 AM
10-12-2007, 01:10 AM
10-17-2007, 06:31 PM
how would you guys compare this to stuff to nettle/activate, 6oxo ect...
how much better are strengh/lean mass gains compared to those other testosterone boosters?
I have not used any prohormones since nor diol/androdial transdermal by medlean and wich I had oustanding gains from.I totally missed out on the next wave 1 ad ect... so Im just wondering where the 1/4ad stands compared to all the other stuff I mentioned!
10-17-2007, 08:30 PM
10-17-2007, 09:35 PM
wouldn't it get expensive running 1 gram a day seeing as how it costs $1.50 per gram. that would be $10.50 a week for 10 weeks that will come out $105 and thats w/o tax. cause i was thinking of running it with my cycle until i realized the price.
10-17-2007, 09:42 PM
10-17-2007, 10:37 PM
Im thinking of running this with MOHN, 1,4 at 1 gram ed for 8 weeks and 4 weeks of MOHN at the beginning. Or maybe phera plex for the 1st 3 weeks of the 8...decisions, decisions.
10-17-2007, 11:12 PM
10-17-2007, 11:43 PM
10-18-2007, 01:23 AM
Speaking of dosing, I was under the impression that the effective dose for this product began at around 300 mg per day on up.
What about half a gram a day for 8 weeks as the base of a cycle that includes furazadol with Halodrol for the final 4 weeks?
10-18-2007, 01:39 AM
10-18-2007, 09:52 AM
10-18-2007, 06:43 PM
Another possible tweak to this idea would be to start the 1,4 alone for 2-3 weeks (to get it in your system) THEN add PP for 2-3 weeks, then switch to M4OHN for 4 weeks to finish it all up. That way you'd have the 1,4 throughout, and the PP to blow up, the M4 to finish it out/tighten it up. Crazy all the things you could try. I would go with 4 weeks for the M4 to see best results, but I bet as a finisher after the PP, you could do 2-3 and see good results!
10-18-2007, 07:06 PM
shouldn't 1,4ad kick-in quicker than the typical injectable EQ/Bold since there is no ester attached?
why then are such long cycles recommended?
if i were to use only orals, i would run just a 6 week cycle of 1,4ad + a methyl (maybe a mild one like halo or pulse something harder).
otherwise i would stack it with a test base and run for over 10 weeks.
10-19-2007, 01:57 AM
The fact that it isn't 'methylated' means a lesser incidence of toxicity and thus you can run this 12 or even 16 weeks. Try this with Havoc, SD, or PP and see where you're at.
1,4AD is a great primary hormone and there isn't any need to run another ph/ps/steroid. If you got good results from nordiol/andro then this would be a good choice.
As for cost it isn't nearly that bad. It's $45/month, what do other phs costs? Sure you may need to run it two months but you don't need ancillary products to control bp or liver toxicity so it's essentially awash.
I don't quite understand the use of adding in another ph. Doing so will mean you need a SERM for PCT, though I'd run one anyways. And front loading to spur gains seems a bit short-sighted. Chances for full HPTA suppression are increased and you're then going to spend the next 8 weeks like this?
But to each their own. Most of us have enough experience that we know what works for us. I'm taking this as a standalone for 12 weeks at 1g/day. I'll get panels on week 10 to see if I need a SERM for PCT. I'm not taking Cycle Support nor any other ancillaries to control bp, cholesterol, or liver values. We'll see just how 'bad' it is.
10-19-2007, 10:30 AM
1,4ad converts to into the steroid hormone equipoise/boldenone.
no serm needed if run solo you say???
equipoise will cause a suppression of your hormones, such as endogenous testosterone.
this is why it is recommended stacking it with testosterone.
this is also why a quality post cycle therapy is important.
failure to do so could result in possible sexual dysfunction and other sides.
if you treat this like this is a harmless little supplement you will regret it later.
10-19-2007, 01:26 PM
10-19-2007, 01:32 PM
10-19-2007, 01:48 PM
10-19-2007, 03:34 PM
most are running 1,4ad for 2+ months.
after that long of a run you will be shut down and will need a serm to restart natural hormone production.
for some reason people seem to think that just because this is not methylated, it is not as suppressive on the hpta.
10-19-2007, 03:40 PM
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10-19-2007, 03:57 PM
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10-19-2007, 03:58 PM
if it were me, i would use a serm for even a short mildly suppressive cycle.
you will probably recover fine without a serm.
just your hormone profile may be jacked longer than necessary following this cycle.
and as i mentioned before this could lead to unwanted sides and you will likely lose some of or all of your gains if you are shut down for an extended period.
10-19-2007, 03:59 PM
10-19-2007, 04:00 PM
Read those two new posts also, I'll throw down for the SERM. Should I go with Nolva or Clomid?
10-19-2007, 04:01 PM
10-19-2007, 05:48 PM
it may just be brotelligence, 1,4 seems universally considered to kick in slow. No further information on tap.
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