Methoxy-TRN Presale

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by screwbol

    Seriously, though, I think Bruce Knellers' posts regarding his "concern" for TRN's extreme toxic effects are more to hurt ALRI's business and boost Gaspari's than anything else. He has halodrol50 coming out so he will do anything to hurt his competition (IE ALRI's Methoxy TRN/TST).
    Exactly. Kneller is not working with ALR for whoever questioned that earlier.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Dungeon1
    M1T is NOT a prosteroid or a prohormone, and as far as orals go, by far the most toxic ones are anadrol 50 or Dbol. .
    Actually, I would say M1T is more toxic than DBOL any day of the week. Anadrol vs M1T is debatable, and to be honest, at least anadrol has been researched far longer than M1T.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Max32
    Actually, I would say M1T is more toxic than DBOL any day of the week. Anadrol vs M1T is debatable, and to be honest, at least anadrol has been researched far longer than M1T.
    Mg for Mg, M1T is far more potent and toxic. The average dose of M1T is 10-20 mg and anadrol is 50-150 mg. I understand what you are saying about anadrol being around longer and studied more.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by screwbol
    Yeah, my original post in this thread was intended to create awareness/discussion of its potential toxicity problems. You're welcome. j/k

    Seriously, though, I think Bruce Knellers' posts regarding his "concern" for TRN's extreme toxic effects are more to hurt ALRI's business and boost Gaspari's than anything else. He has halodrol50 coming out so he will do anything to hurt his competition (IE ALRI's Methoxy TRN/TST).


    Yeah, who knows what BK's motives truly are. I read his comments on PA's board, but not really sure what to make of it, since he is a lunatic anyway.
    So far, PA has not commented yet on that thread. Should be interesting if he does.

  5. I have a question about all this that ive been pondering.

    In the steroid ban didnt they say somethin about progestins NOT being and thats how ALRI is comin out with this methoxy-trn? If thats true, isnt M1T a progestin? I swear i read somewhere that it is. I could be totaly off base here so dont eat me alive for this comment just was pondering it.
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  6. Probably I was wrong about the Dbol. I was really trying to get to the point that these compounds are known to be toxic and the fact that people still use them shows that there are different ways to interperet the risk/reward ratio of that behavior. I just don't understand what that has to do with the company selling the product. No one says "man, quality vet knew that anadrol was toxic and they sold it to me anyway! Shux, i guess I should have researched it or something." There is always this controversy over "ethical business" in this country, the bottom line is if a company can stay out of prison and sell a product, they will and they should. The burden lies on the consumer to be knowledgeable about the products that they consume.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    You can still start using the hair supps. A lot of people have seen improvements with Nizoral, minox and azelaic acid. They are pretty cheap, too.

    Also, what did you use for PCT? I ask b/c the guys who are running DHEA, fenugreek and ATD seem to be having an effortless time with PCT.
    I used Novedex XT and ATD along with Milk Thistle for PCT. Nolva may have helped more so, I will look into getting Spiro or one of the other hair treatments soon most likely.

  8. Nothing is going to go off now.

    PA just shot down M-TRN on his board as well.

    ALRI was getting a lil carried away with their recent products anyway.

  9. Any word if this is going to be cancelled or not? ALRI has pulled out according to there website.

  10. So far they have just cancelled Prostanozol and E Max LMG. Im pretty sure AX will still carry the Pro tho atleast i hope they do. If they dont go thru with this Tren idea ill be very dissapointed.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by StanChampion
    Nothing is going to go off now.

    PA just shot down M-TRN on his board as well.

    ALRI was getting a lil carried away with their recent products anyway.
    For the life of me, I would simply love to know what makes PA the end all, be all of supplements....

    Carried away? I personally love the recent prods like Venom, retain and hotter, not sure where you are going with that one

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Max32
    For the life of me, I would simply love to know what makes PA the end all, be all of supplements....

    Carried away? I personally love the recent prods like Venom, retain and hotter, not sure where you are going with that one
    Simply, PA has the proven track record. Most of his products produce results. His credibilty has withstood the test of time. His continued presence on the boards (though he is banned from here) should be appluaded as he continues to debate, keeps tabs on other firms and generally helps keep the masses informed and educated.

    Overall, though some people dislike his sometimes arrogant attitude, he has proven himself trustworthy.

    Out of the big PH firms, who has the most solid reputation?
    PA
    Matt fom DS
    The pen name of Author L. Rea
    Eric, the Legal Gear guy
    Gaspari
    ?????

    My personal choice is trusting PA and then to a degree DS and the rest, not a chance.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by StanChampion
    Simply, PA has the proven track record. Most of his products produce results. His credibilty has withstood the test of time. His continued presence on the boards (though he is banned from here) should be appluaded as he continues to debate, keeps tabs on other firms and generally helps keep the masses informed and educated.

    Overall, though some people dislike his sometimes arrogant attitude, he has proven himself trustworthy.

    Out of the big PH firms, who has the most solid reputation?
    PA
    Matt fom DS
    The pen name of Author L. Rea
    Eric, the Legal Gear guy
    Gaspari
    ?????

    My personal choice is trusting PA and then to a degree DS and the rest, not a chance.
    I have to agree with Max here. So long as Patrick has a business to run, his interests are always going to be partial no matter how trustworthy he comes across as. THIS is why he keeps tabs on other firms - not for "the bros".

    I like Patrick, and i like his opinion, but i never take his word as gospel. People come onto the internet to learn and hear more than one viewpoint, unlike what is achievable reading biased magazines. Taking one man's word as truth or making it the basis for your own judgement is no different to taking columns (aka "adverts") in magazines seriously.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    I have to agree with Max here. So long as Patrick has a business to run, his interests are always going to be partial no matter how trustworthy he comes across as. THIS is why he keeps tabs on other firms - not for "the bros".

    I like Patrick, and i like his opinion, but i never take his word as gospel. People come onto the internet to learn and hear more than one viewpoint, unlike what is achievable reading biased magazines. Taking one man's word as truth or making it the basis for your own judgement is no different to taking columns (aka "adverts") in magazines seriously.
    Couldn't have said it better myself Rob

    To be honest, I would say that I trust ALR and Designer more than PA. Call it bias or what you will for ALRI on my part. Personally, it seems odd to me that the main guy behind his company spends that much time on the boards. He seems to have made many a believer though, while others spend their time looking into new product formulations/design. I have no problem with PA, just seems like he has been all about bashing as of late.....

  15. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT
    So far they have just cancelled Prostanozol and E Max LMG. Im pretty sure AX will still carry the Pro tho atleast i hope they do. If they dont go thru with this Tren idea ill be very dissapointed.
    Nope the AX rep posted on bb.com that this is it.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=609927

  16. Just got an email and it's confirmed...it seems the same fate that befell SD is disposing M-TRN, Prosz, EMax, etc... The M-TRN is still on presale and we will be receiving our limited shipment, but once it sells out that's it...eventually the same will happen to all the other aforementioned items (at least that's what I'm being told)

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    I have to agree with Max here. So long as Patrick has a business to run, his interests are always going to be partial no matter how trustworthy he comes across as. THIS is why he keeps tabs on other firms - not for "the bros".

    I like Patrick, and i like his opinion, but i never take his word as gospel. People come onto the internet to learn and hear more than one viewpoint, unlike what is achievable reading biased magazines. Taking one man's word as truth or making it the basis for your own judgement is no different to taking columns (aka "adverts") in magazines seriously.
    I agree PA has his business to run and everyone he talks about is his competitor, so we must always keep that mind. However, unlike 99% of other posters on the boards, PA is a qualified expert in this field. He has earned his respect. I cannot think of anyone else, on any board, that is as qualified as he is. So my basis of following his recommendations is well founded. While I never said to take his word as gospel, I believe that his opinions on steroid realated matters carries more weight than anyone other board member.

    A recent example for me, would be SD. When SD came out PA said he thought it would work well, but might be a lil harsh. Well that is pretty much what happened. He is not always 100% correct but his track reord is better than anyone else, bar none.

    As for ALRI, we really do not know anything about his background and such. I would rather listen or buy products from an entity with a transparnet and longstanding background.

    PA keeps tabs on other firms for a very good reason, they are his competition and he needs to stay on top of the ball. The Rebound debacle is a glaring example. I believe PA handled that situation very professionally. He could have gone in for blood, but did not.
    Also, around the same time he tested Gaspari's Rebound derivative and found it to be good and said so. He had tested some of Gaspari's M-D prior and found that to be very bad and called them on it as well as informing the masses. Who else does this??? NOBODY..... respect earned.

  18. Stryder your saying that the people who ordered Methoxy-TRN via preorder ARE going to recieve it, right?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by StanChampion
    PA keeps tabs on other firms for a very good reason, they are his competition and he needs to stay on top of the ball. The Rebound debacle is a glaring example. I believe PA handled that situation very professionally. He could have gone in for blood, but did not.
    Course he didn't. He just came out with an ATD product under his branch label, Giant Nutrition...
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Schwaugher
    Stryder your saying that the people who ordered Methoxy-TRN via preorder ARE going to recieve it, right?
    Yes, you guys will be getting your's. We have a set amount on the site and those who place an order until that set amount reaches zero will be guaranteed their's.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by stryder
    Yes, you guys will be getting your's. We have a set amount on the site and those who place an order until that set amount reaches zero will be guaranteed their's.
    I love you man! lol j/k im not takin it that far but its a great thing to hear. What about halo 50?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by stryder
    Yes, you guys will be getting your's. We have a set amount on the site and those who place an order until that set amount reaches zero will be guaranteed their's.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by GuardDog
    Hey whats up bro, shoot me a PM when you get a chance

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    Course he didn't. He just came out with an ATD product under his branch label, Giant Nutrition...
    Yup, that is called capitalism.
    Everyone in the supp industry clones a popular or effective suplement.

  25. And you say he didn't go in for blood?

    Anyhoo, lets leave this. I'm a lover, not a fighter. And i gots a whole lotta love to give. Even to you.
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